Question. Why did you choose test cyp over test e? Not judging or disagreeing, I’m just curious?
As dbol isn’t esterified, 10mg/day is equivalent to taking 100mg/wk of an esterified hormone (as a sole referral to enanthate or cypionate). Strength as a mg/mg comparison may differ though, I’d stipulate 10mg dbol/day surpasses 100mg test/wk in terms of anabolic potency.
500mg test + 200mg deca + dbol is quite a bit for a virgin run. Tolerable androgen load differs based upon the person using, it’s no surprise side effects are harsh. Should be noted testosterone has one metabolite I can think of in particular that induces a fat immune response. Etiocholanolone induces fever, leukocytosis etc. I’ve always wondered as to whether etiocholanolone is responsible for the “test flu” some report on high dose testosterone.
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I’m using Test C for my TRT so I just decided to stick with it for my blast. Before going on TRT I always used test E instead, and I’m not really sure I can tell a difference between the 2. I feel like I have less water retention, but I also have a much cleaner diet AND now I am using an AI, so that’s probably not from the characteristics of the two esters.
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That’s because there basically is no difference.
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Thanks for that. I didn’t know about that metabolite but it makes sense now that I’m experiencing it.
Do you mind expanding on that for me please? Do you mean a higher metabolic rate/fat burning?
Sorry, noob question but TRT? Test replacement therapy or PCT? Blast is your cycle?
Yes, TRT is testosterone replacement therapy and I’m currently blasting (using much more testosterone than my TRT dose). When I’m done with my blast I will not PCT since I will just go back to my TRT dose (AKA cruise, or a low dose you use when you’re not blasting but you don’t ever come off cycle)
I understand test is test, but I can’t imagine that people metabolize two different esters in the exact same way. Hell maybe we do, but it would seem there’s some difference, even a minute one.
With that said, I’m not arguing with you, I agree that I really shouldn’t be able to tell a difference between the two. It’s just something I often ponder.
From most UGLs I have seen, Test E comes in 250 mg/mL and Test C comes in 200 mg/mL. I usually see them at the same price, so I buy Test E. Did TRT with Test C. Can’t tell the difference personally.
I think @unreal24278 means a large response. He is young, he uses terms like “yeet” and such too. Unreal, correct me if I am wrong here.
Test C has more ester weight, so Test E has a couple more mgs of testosterone per 100 mg of Test E you take (but it is like 2-3 mgs of testosterone per 100 mg administered). The base hormone is the exact same. Test E takes a bit less time to cleave off the ester making it usable testosterone, and also have a shorter half life. The difference in time to cleave off the ester is not significant, and the half lives are about a day different.
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It’s partially in relation to age as my generation in particular tends to use euphemisms like yeet. On a personal basis, I find using terminology like this
to be rather comical/amusing.
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S’all good man! I appreciate anyone willing to weigh in. I can be old school sometimes so I don’t mind asking the newbie questions.
There’s always the possibility you’ve got bad gear (i.e bacterial contamination) and/or you’re having a bad reaction to one of the solvents used. What’s the concentration (mg/ml) of you’re test?
How much dbol are you taking? What’s you’re BP/RHR? Pulse pressure? How long have you been taking dianabol/c-17 alpha alkylated AAS for?
I’ve heard the ‘bad gear’ consideration, but given the symptoms vs what a bacterial infection acts like, I don’t think that’s what’s going on. Test is 250 (so as noted in the earlier notes it’s one weekly shot of 2 cc).
Dbol (methandrostenolone) is 25 mg/tablet, taken once a day. I started all three products on day 1 (2 weeks ago). The symptoms escalate and drop off based on the injection timing so I doubt dbol is a big contribution.
Tomorrow is the 3rd scheduled shot. I will change it up by reducing the volume and increase frequency and taken EOD as suggested in above comments. Also, I’ll try the delts as my quads are smoked from the last two shots anyway (and of course to reduce scar tissue)
RHR normally is about 52-54. Lately it’s been 60-62. Haven’t been taking blood pressure but recent bloodwork (pre cycle 2 weeks ago) shows normal levels (for my age) except modestly increased cholesterol.
Feeling a bit better today and likely will be able to workout but this week has been a dumpster fire. Not what I anticipated.
This is pretty infrequent for Dbol. Many take it 3X a day. I would at least shoot for 2X a day.
The initial plan was 3x/day with 10 mg tablets but the supplier I ordered thru didn’t come in the mail. Another supplier only carried in 25 and I didn’t want to go too aggressive.
This is an interesting point: the product I’m taking is called “D-bol 25 mg. Methandostenolone” bu the 10mg tabs I initially ordered are called “dianabolos 10”. But makes no reference of Methandostenolone content. Any idea why?
Just to be clear, my comment about EOD injection is specific to the NPP. Based on the half-life of NPP, injecting less frequently than EOD is going to give you a lot of ups and downs because shortly after injection your body is flooded with the hormone and if you wait a full week its nearly back to zero again. If you intend to inject EOD for the NPP, make sure you divide you 200 mg/wk by 3.5 (number of shots per week) which is more or less 60 mg/injection. so based on your concentration (I have seen 100 mg/mL (most common) as well as 150 mg/mL) I would bet that you need to inject .6mL EOD ASSUMING you have 100 mg/mL gear. The way I see it is there is no harm in injecting Test E that frequently, so I personally chose to just inject both on an EOD basis.
No idea on the labeling. Does the pill have a slit down the middle? You could buy a pill cutter, and do it 2X a day.
Heard and understood. Thx man. My first thought was test e 2/week, and npp eod. Yes, the concentration is 100 so I’d cut to 50/ shot (1/2 cc). To help troubleshoot, I want to do test e first (1cc) and monitor my 12-24 hr response, the commence npp the next day. Definitely a learning experience. I’m hoping we get this dialed in this week.
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No they don’t have a groove. Given the complexities of the test e and npp I’m experiencing, I’m thinking of dropping it until I get this under control.
I’m reading more on Methandostenolone and it’s half life is 4-6 hrs so it stands to reason it should be taken 2-3x day. I didn’t realize the half life was so short, so instead of focusing on just the mg, I should have also looked more at the frequency.
Anyone else take dbol? What daily concentrations have you taken?
Good idea IMO.
Tbol a derivative of Dbol has a long half life (16 hrs) without any conversion to e2, so that might be something to look into for your next run. It isn’t as powerful, but it is simpler to run. No dealing with bloat. Very little androgenic sides for most people.
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