Hey guys,
New to the forum and looking for advice on my upcoming planned cycle. First, a little background on me:
I’m 36 yo. Started lifting weights when I was 11, got serious at 16 and have remained consistent ever since (5x week). My diet is pretty on point as I subscribe to a meal delivery service.
Current stats: 6’1” 205lbs 13% bf.
This is not my first experience with gear. I have done three cycles in the past. All of them were during the ages of 21-23, so I haven’t used anything in over 13 years. The reason for the cycle is that I have remained pretty stagnant at bodyweight, size, and strength for about the last four or five years and am looking to boost back up.
Anyway, here’s what I’m planning. Hopefully some of you have some positive feedback.
Week 1. 250 test E
Week 2. 250 test E
Week 3. 500 test E 250 deca arimidex 0.5 eod
Week 4. 500 test E 250 deca arimidex 0.5 eod
Week 5. 500 test E 250 deca arimidex 0.5 eod
Week 6. 500 test E 250 deca arimidex 0.5 eod
Week 7. 500 test E 250 deca arimidex 0.5 eod
Week 8. 500 test E 250 deca arimidex 0.5 eod
Week 9. 500 test E 250 deca arimidex 0.5 eod
Week10. 500 test E250 deca arimidex 0.5 eod
Week11. 500 test E250 deca arimidex 0.5 eod
Week12. 500 test E250 deca arimidex 0.5 eod
Week13. 250 test E arimidex 0.5 eod
Week14. 250 test E arimidex 0.5 eod
Week15. Off
Week16. Nolva 40/day clomid 100/day
Week17. Nolva 40/day clomid 100/day
Week18. Nolva 20/day clomid 50/day
Week19. Nolva 20/day clomid 50/day
Obviously, all numbers are in milligrams. I was thinking of including HCG during the cycle to keep my nuts from completely shutting down but not sure if it’s necessary. Also, the arimidex would be increased to 1mg eod if symptoms indicate. Not sure if my PCT is decent or maybe overkill at those doses. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Recovery from deca at age 36, while showing signs of your age through stagnant growth for years, pretty much guarantees that trt is in your future
Pct is in fact overkill. Skip the Clomid entirely. Nolva is stronger and has fewer sides
Arimidex is a take as needed drug; dosing it prophylactically is usually not a good idea
Hcg can only help, but as I said, this is a one-way street that leads to trt, so don’t expect the hcg to be a miracle; but it certainly will stave off testicular atrophy, which IMO makes it worth using
Make it 12 weeks and start test 500 with 250 deca together until the end of cycle.
Add hcg and use clomid with nolva. Clomid is a mixed agonist/antagonist for the estradiol receptor. Nolva is also mixed, however… it is a pure antagonist in the E receptor in breast tissue. There is a reason that clomid is not recommended for gynecomastia reversal, but Nolva is. Can you recover with just Nolvadex, or just clomid? Well, anything is possible. But why would you take that risk if the combination gives you a much better chance? To save a few bucks and risk your health? Clomid when coupled with Nolvadex is clearly the safer choice over using either compound individually.
I will expand on this… at your current dosage you are going to potentially fry your E2. What symptoms have you had in the past dictating this need? If none, you should be open to starting with no AI or at least cutting it in half of what your protocol lists.
Reconsider the first two weeks as I see no need to taper up the test and start the deca later. Start them both at the same time.
Regarding your PCT you need more than a week off from test before starting. Running two Serms is your call, I’m with @iron_yuppie that running one is enough.
This simply isn’t the case. Nolva has clinical studies showing that it’s more effective at restarting HTPA than Clomid at a much higher dose. It also has a significantly better safety profile. You don’t need both. It’s not 1997 anymore. There are truckloads of anecdotes from guys running Nolva solo and having successful recovery. Can you still take it? Sure. Is it necessary? Not at all.
Allow me to elaborate. I really shouldn’t have said “stagnant.” I have increased weight in some areas. For instance, I went from a 315 squat for 3-5 reps to 315 for 10-12 reps, 365 for 3-5 reps. Maybe it’s my age, but I expected a lot quicker progression than that over the past few years.
As far as the arimidex goes, what you stated is pretty much what I was thinking. I’m just terrified of gyno and put it in the cycle layout for this forum to get feedback on it. I will have it on hand though, ready to deploy at a moments notice.
As for the clomid/nolva…I’ve been reading about this a lot everywhere and it seems everyone is pretty torn just like the advice on this forum. Some say only nolva, some say only clomid (if you can handle the sides), and some say why take the chance, take both to cover all angles. So I’m still torn on it. As far as dosing goes, does anyone have any recommendations regarding pct with this cycle and my current age?
Reason taper up was included was to build test up before introducing deca. I found a lot online that recommended doing this to help avoid sexual problems. Whether it’s entirely true or not, I figured to err on the side of caution.
I figured as much which was my reason for asking. Instead of the AI run some Nolva to block the receptors in your breast tissue. Most guys will do something like 10-20mg/day when the test is high. Just food for thought as I don’t like ‘suggesting’ what other do just merely inform.
