So what you’re saying is that I should double it?!
Just kidding, you and @wanna_be are right. I think this is a classic case of me trying to get other people to validate poor choices. I’ll stick with what I am running. I’m only on for another month. I’ll leave bigger doses for the future.
Ha, I appreciate the candor. I think you’re right. I am allowing the “if some is good, more is better” mindset to take over. To be fair, 175 was too low, I wasn’t even sure anything was happening at that point. but the 245-280 range is a “sweet spot” for me.
I would imagine I am definitely somewhere a bit into the therapeutic range, with the subtle toxic effect creeping in. While I believe this is A LOT more to be gained, there is potentially a lot more side effects to be gained. I won’t know for sure without trying it out, but I suppose now is not that time since I seem to be doing so well.
Your comments and feedback are always welcome, I appreciate you helping and caring
I think this should be an easy test. I don’t own a smart watch, but I should be able to test this tonight on a treadmill as part of my warmup.
After reading those papers, I guess HRV isn’t really all that important of a measure of heart health, but I do know my HRV is always relatively high and over the last 8 days was anywhere from 79-142ms while sleeping.
Must also factor in aside from sympathetic nervous system upregulation is the notion of cardiac remodelling (of which chronically stimulated sympathetic drive will also mediate to an extent). Maladaptive cardiac enlargement equates to abnormalities regarding electrical conduction. This can induce malignant and relatively benign arrhythmia. That being said, generally speaking cardiac remodelling is a veeerrry slow process, whereas arrhythmia induced via excess catecholamine release and whatnot can be almost immediate (like amphetamine induced tachycardia).
Can you feel signs or symptoms of arrhythmia, without constantly monitoring heart rate?
Depends. If you’ve got a nasty case of SVT, chances are you’ll feel it because your heart will be pounding as if you’re running a marathon or finishing up a set of 20 rep squats. One can have episodes of a-fib yet be asymptomatic
If you’ve got v fib you’ll be dead (lol). AAS can predispose one to lethal arrhythmia during exercise and at rest. Can’t really look out for this as you’ll just drop if you enter v fib. It’s my preferred way to go (waaayyyy down the line) because I wouldn’t feel any pain (as one would with regular MI, most cancers etc).
I can’t exactly answer this question, too many variables.
I don’t have SVT but my wife does, so I know a bit about that. I honestly don’t believe I have any heart conditions at all, but I guess you don’t really know unless you get checked or it acts up.
Well anabolic steroids cause cardiomyopathy, plaque build up etc over time. Cumulative use, say high dosages over decades (ESP tren and orals) etc can easily lead to malignant cardiac abnormalities.
I suppose what I am gathering from your posts, there is a chance of immediate medical issues, but even if you don’t get immediate issues, there is still a high chance of issues long term with prolonged use?
Exactly. Dose dependent/duration dependent. Lifestyle/genetics also factor in
The guy who uses 300mg test/wk on and off (say 125mg test TRT) for 20 years coupled with a vigorous aerobic routine + strength training will probably be better off than the guy using 500mg test 500mg tren + orals for 10 years coupled with purely training for powerlifting
Thanks for the first hand experience, and sorry you had to go through that. I have never once, since running injectable AAS, felt anything in my chest, no pain, no accelerated heart rate, no fluttering, no skipping beats. Luckily, I am not prone to anxiety attacks either. I have never had one and I have endured more stressful situations than most (at least I imagine so). I even had a lot of anxiety as a child, up until about 18-19 years old. So I think on that front I am doing ok, at least for now.
Long term is something I will have to think about, because even though risk mitigation is one of my main focuses while running AAS, I strongly believe that, in the next 2-3 years I have a real good shot of getting my middle weight strongman pro card, and I fully expect to keep running AAS at supraphysiologic doses for the foreseeable future, barring any injuries or medical conditions. Obviously not running it that high continuously, but I imagine 2-3 blasts/yr. And so far, with respect to immediate sides, nand and tren have been fine for me. And I don’t mean that every blast will include either or both of those, but I will leave both of those on the table as options.
I’m not trying to brag about being reckless, I just intend to be as honest as possible
I used to get these occasionally. Not sure why I’ve stopped getting them.
Without getting into overt specifics, I have a form of dysautonomia amongst my many other ailments that lead to extensive discomfort on a daily basis. Some of my conditions that cause pain are problems that tend to get worse as one gets older.
As a result I tend to live one day at a time with admittedly little worry for long term consequences. I have to live in a good deal more discomfort that the average individual my age
I do what I see fit to live a quality of life I deem adequate, and as a result I am “living on borrowed time” (I believe this is the correct terminology?)
I won’t get into everything I have to deal with as I don’t wish to disclose my detailed medical info/history on here. What I will say is some days are just… Ugh… Blegh…
This video came out today. I like this guy’s channel. I don’t agree with everything he says, but most is well thought out.
He makes the point here that although stuff like AIs are not great, they are likely better than using the synthetics which come with their own sides.
Without wanting too much of your personal information, but do you have a genetic disease that’s causing all of your problems or are these separate issues?
You can buy an Apple Watch for 200-400$, it reliably diagnoses AFib.
Genetic connective tissue disorder + separate issues.
Gotta say though I’m a little bit disappointed with how things have turned out. I was told during my mid teenage years upon diagnosis that I’d never be able to lift weights or even play sport again. Not only have I lifted weights, but I’ve lifted some pretty fucking heavy weights for someone my size.
If this is the end of my weightlifting days, at least I had a good run while it lasted and at least I can still say… Swim, box etc to keep muscle tone. I think I’ll be able to keep lifting, but my “powerlifting” days are likely over.
I’m usually dealing with injuries, but at this point they’re numerous and cumulative. Ought to be noted injuries would occur fairly regularly regardless of whether or not I was lifting.
No worries, and thanks for posting this study, it’s definitely very interesting. I was actually thinking on and off about getting an Apple watch, this might just push me over the line.
Just remember that it can only detect atrial fibrillation which is the most common form of arrhythmia but no other forms.
On another note, I am thinking about getting an HRV monitor to check for CNS recovery. If I got a few hundred bucks left over, I’m getting one.
That’s a tough hand to be dealt. At least you got enough brain to enjoy other stuff. I hope your health will allow you to keep the medication in a range where it doesn’t affect your mental well-being. Wish you only the absolute best. Also, you can do so much good in your life. Wouldn’t be the first to use his disease to his strength and develop something out of it that improves the lives of many people. Napoleon Hill tells such as story in his famous book.
Day 30 Update:
I tried out the makeshift HRR test using a treadmill and its heart rate monitor. My heart rate recovered from 145 to 127 after the first minute but only to 122 after the second minute, 21 BPM total. In retrospect, I can definitely tell the days where my heart rate recovers faster and when it recovers slower. I have just always written it off as good and bad days with respect to allergies and asthma.
Last nights training session went really well… so well that I quit half-way through the workout. I got all of my event work done, and I performed VERY well, but I was so gassed from this cut that I was done after that and skipped 3 of my last 4 accessories.
Started with hatfield squats. I hit 530 for an easy 3, like RPE6-ish. I was supposed to do a top triple at RPE 9 (which I think 580 was there) but I started feeling it in my hip/low back and just moved on to my event work.
Next was yoke runs with sled drags. I only loaded 335 onto the yoke and ran it 50 feet, dragging a sled behind me that was about 90 lbs, on rubber mats. This isn’t intended to be hard, it is intended to teach me how to drive with my hips, and make me a faster yoke runner. And it’s working very well.
Finally I performed my sandbag/keg/sandbag load medley, at competition weight, for 3 runs. This fucked me up, in both good and bad ways. 200lb sandbag pick up and carry 50’, load over 50" bar, 250 lb keg pick up and carry 25’ and load, and a 300 lb sandbag pick up and carry 10’ and load. In the 3 runs it was 28s, 26s, and 26s. This isn’t breakneck speed, but it’s pretty fast. If I can be a little more efficient and get into the 22-23 second range, I think I could win this event.
After each run I had a mild to moderate asthma attack though, my rescue inhaler barely helped me. I have to figure a better way of getting my asthma under control, because right now it isn’t very well controlled, and like I mentioned above with the HRR, some days it’s better than others, but I never really know what causes it to be better or worse.
Please forgive me if I’m stating the obvious, but could this exacerbation be due to the tren?