Tesla Motors

[quote]on edge wrote:
Speculative, high flying stocks like Tesla are usually prone to massive swings based on the mood of the market. I think it’s interesting that the market has been trending down for the last two weeks and tesla is hanging in there. Tesla owners seem to be happy to hold.[/quote]

Individual stocks go their own way unless they are the large companies that are in the S&P 100. Fundamentals will weed out the good from the bad stocks over a long period of time.

I like you assesment though on Tesla.

[quote]on edge wrote:
Speculative, high flying stocks like Tesla are usually prone to massive swings based on the mood of the market. I think it’s interesting that the market has been trending down for the last two weeks and tesla is hanging in there. Tesla owners seem to be happy to hold.[/quote]

Here’s my concern about these stocks.

What happens when Mercedes or GM or Ford develop their own electric car that compares favorably to Tesla’s? I think this could be right around the corner. Also, I wonder how much longer Tesla can remain profitable while still manufacturing their cars in Silicon Valley instead of Mexico or Brazil.

I plan on staying on top of this and when it looks like GM and Ford are about to put comparable electric cars on the market I’m abandoning ship. Tesla looks great right now and I think they’ve really revolutionized the electric car concept, but I harbor some doubts about how long they’ll remain viable in the market that they’ve been instrumental in developing.

Daimler is one of their investors and I think for them it’s a smart move. Tesla is really just a proving ground for Daimler/Mercedes. If Tesla fails, Tesla is the one who put a failed product out and not Mercedes, so Mercedes doesn’t have that stigma attached to it. And if Tesla does well, all they’ve done is make Daimler a nice return on their investment as well as show Daimler that they can enter the electric car market successfully without having to assume nearly the same risk.

I just can’t pull the trigger on the Tesla stock. I bought into the Zynga hype, look where that got me… :frowning:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I just can’t pull the trigger on the Tesla stock. I bought into the Zynga hype, look where that got me… :([/quote]

I hear Joe Flacco is an investor. They’re also developing an engine that burns his eyebrow shavings for fuel.

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Fuck all that does the fuckers fly?

I WANT MY FLYING CAR BITCHES [/quote]

Does 0-60 in under 4 seconds and a quarter-mile time in the low 12s count?[/quote]
No

FLYING

I grew up being told that by 2010 there would be flying cars.

It was in all the movies and books.

[/quote]

http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/the-tf-x-might-be-the-first-flying-car-that-actually-works-like-a-flying-car

Can you hold out until 2015?

[quote]on edge wrote:
Speculative, high flying stocks like Tesla are usually prone to massive swings based on the mood of the market. I think it’s interesting that the market has been trending down for the last two weeks and tesla is hanging in there. Tesla owners seem to be happy to hold.[/quote]

Netflix is the worst of them. It’s like riding a rollercoaster. I think it’s P/E is around 550.

[quote]Anonymity wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:
Speculative, high flying stocks like Tesla are usually prone to massive swings based on the mood of the market. I think it’s interesting that the market has been trending down for the last two weeks and tesla is hanging in there. Tesla owners seem to be happy to hold.[/quote]

Netflix is the worst of them. It’s like riding a rollercoaster. I think it’s P/E is around 550.[/quote]

I’m curious what Tesl’s PE is going to be. It’ll probably be a thousand or something.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Fuck all that does the fuckers fly?

I WANT MY FLYING CAR BITCHES [/quote]

Does 0-60 in under 4 seconds and a quarter-mile time in the low 12s count?[/quote]
No

FLYING

I grew up being told that by 2010 there would be flying cars.

It was in all the movies and books.

[/quote]

http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/the-tf-x-might-be-the-first-flying-car-that-actually-works-like-a-flying-car

Can you hold out until 2015?[/quote]

Maybe I am old remember

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:
Speculative, high flying stocks like Tesla are usually prone to massive swings based on the mood of the market. I think it’s interesting that the market has been trending down for the last two weeks and tesla is hanging in there. Tesla owners seem to be happy to hold.[/quote]

Here’s my concern about these stocks.

What happens when Mercedes or GM or Ford develop their own electric car that compares favorably to Tesla’s? I think this could be right around the corner. Also, I wonder how much longer Tesla can remain profitable while still manufacturing their cars in Silicon Valley instead of Mexico or Brazil.

I plan on staying on top of this and when it looks like GM and Ford are about to put comparable electric cars on the market I’m abandoning ship. Tesla looks great right now and I think they’ve really revolutionized the electric car concept, but I harbor some doubts about how long they’ll remain viable in the market that they’ve been instrumental in developing.

Daimler is one of their investors and I think for them it’s a smart move. Tesla is really just a proving ground for Daimler/Mercedes. If Tesla fails, Tesla is the one who put a failed product out and not Mercedes, so Mercedes doesn’t have that stigma attached to it. And if Tesla does well, all they’ve done is make Daimler a nice return on their investment as well as show Daimler that they can enter the electric car market successfully without having to assume nearly the same risk.[/quote]

I don’t think you have to worry about Ford & GM in the least. They are incapable of competing with Tesla. The culture at those companies is incapable of changing, innovating and doing things in a better way.

You should look this up and do some reading or find some old NPR feeds. Ten or fifteen years ago -maybe even 20- the Japanese shared their production methods with The Big Three. That’s right, they gave them their technology for producing cars more efficiently and with better quality standard. Ford and GM tried to implement the better methods and failed. The unions were so entrenched in their screwed up ways they couldn’t implement these better ways of doing things. I don’t think I’ve ever been so embarrassed to be an American than when I heard this.

Tesla is a start up that is not entrenched in old ways. They can be innovative and efficient. They do need to move production out of California though. I’m not sure they need to leave the US but they need to get out of Cali.

My biggest concerns are that when they build out all these charging stations they will go basically unused. People can charge them all night in their garage then get 200 miles. IF I Owned a Tesla I’d never use a charging station except for the rare time I make a road trip. Even when I lived in LA, had I had a Tesla I never would have needed a charging station. The well used charging station is key to my vision of the success of the company. I want to see a culture develop where Suzi Winbourne of Huntington Beach California drops off her kids at school then heads over to Tesla to “top off” her car and have a latte.

I’m also concerned that this whole Tesla thing cold be just a scam on the part of Elan Musk to raise funds for his true passion; SpaceX. After all, the tesla plan kinda reads like a 6th graders class project to come up with a environmental idea. “Were gonna make electric cars so we don’t have to burn gas. Then were going to build charging stations all across the US so you can go ANYWHERE. All the stations will have giant batteries to store energy so we can buy electricity at night when its cheap. Plus we’re gong to put wind mills and solar panels on all the stations.”

I honestly think Elan may have started Tesla to make cool, high-end electric cars to fill an eclectic niche, but has since seen it as a vehicle (pardon the pun) that he could hype up in the stock market to generate capital for SpaceX.

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]TooHuman wrote:
This is all nonsense, Tesla is just a leach off the bullshit central planning that stifles actual competition in the car market to make vehicles more cost efficiently(including fueling cost).
They will fade and die when this type of central planning collapses at the federal level.[/quote]

We will see. I don’t follow politics much and have no idea when the fuel efficiency incentives might be pulled, but my impression is it won’t be for a long time. A long time leaves plenty of time for Tesla to achieve independent profitability. Keep in mind, when they get truly good at making electric cars it won’t be hard to be more profitable (even without incentives) than Ford, GM or Chrysler. Those companies flat out suck. They have terrible union cultures that stifle the success of these companies.

I think Tesla has recognized that the time is right and they are seizing the moment with their aggressive roll out plan of charging stations that will give them THE charging infrastructure. If they succeed they could be Ford, GM AND EXXON MOBILE all in one.

I think they will succeed if the economy stays strong enough and if their stock price stays high enough to fund the buildout. I’ve made an 8700 dollar bet on it and plan to add more.[/quote]

In general the US auto industry cannot compete with the rising Chinese consumer.
There are a dozen urban electric vehicle automakers in china with as many sales as tesla in Asia.
There will not be a point where the consumer in the US has enough savings to bring back the auto market until after the regulatory structure(including mandating unions on automakers) collapses.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I just can’t pull the trigger on the Tesla stock. I bought into the Zynga hype, look where that got me… :([/quote]

I hear Joe Flacco is an investor. They’re also developing an engine that burns his eyebrow shavings for fuel.[/quote]

How’d I miss this research, BUY BUY BUY!!

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I just can’t pull the trigger on the Tesla stock. I bought into the Zynga hype, look where that got me… :([/quote]

I hear Joe Flacco is an investor. They’re also developing an engine that burns his eyebrow shavings for fuel.[/quote]

You can power a sun with that much fuel.

[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I just can’t pull the trigger on the Tesla stock. I bought into the Zynga hype, look where that got me… :([/quote]

I hear Joe Flacco is an investor. They’re also developing an engine that burns his eyebrow shavings for fuel.[/quote]

You can power a sun with that much fuel. [/quote]

That’s what the Death Star used to power itself too.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I just can’t pull the trigger on the Tesla stock. I bought into the Zynga hype, look where that got me… :([/quote]

I hear Joe Flacco is an investor. They’re also developing an engine that burns his eyebrow shavings for fuel.[/quote]

You can power a sun with that much fuel. [/quote]

That’s what the Death Star used to power itself too.[/quote]

Powered with DBCooper’s Pubes? Edgy told me that.

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I just can’t pull the trigger on the Tesla stock. I bought into the Zynga hype, look where that got me… :([/quote]

I hear Joe Flacco is an investor. They’re also developing an engine that burns his eyebrow shavings for fuel.[/quote]

You can power a sun with that much fuel. [/quote]

That’s what the Death Star used to power itself too.[/quote]

Powered with DBCooper’s Pubes? Edgy told me that.
[/quote]

No, that’s what they used to power Unicron from Transformers, hence my avatar. Get it? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
The charging thing really isn’t that big of a deal. How often do you drive for more than 200 miles at a time? Rarely, if ever. 99% of people never drive like that more than once in a blue moon. If you simply plug the car in every time you pull into your garage you can almost completely eliminate the possibility that you run out of battery life while you’re driving. And in the rare cases that you DO need a charge, Tesla is taking care of that right now.[/quote]

Obviously, you are completely ignorant of rural America. In West Texas, 200 miles is a trip to the Walmart and back. Or a trip to a Friday night football game. Or a trip to just about anywhere. People drive way more than you give them credit for even in urban areas. 135-140 mile round trip commute to work is not that uncommon.

But I get it - you need to make your argument, and reality is too inconvenient

I will defer to your expertise on making yourself looking like an ill-informed jackass.

But you never answered the question. Does Tesla give you the pom poms when you buy the skirt, or do you have to purchase them separately?

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
The charging thing really isn’t that big of a deal. How often do you drive for more than 200 miles at a time? Rarely, if ever. 99% of people never drive like that more than once in a blue moon. If you simply plug the car in every time you pull into your garage you can almost completely eliminate the possibility that you run out of battery life while you’re driving. And in the rare cases that you DO need a charge, Tesla is taking care of that right now.[/quote]

Obviously, you are completely ignorant of rural America. In West Texas, 200 miles is a trip to the Walmart and back. Or a trip to a Friday night football game. Or a trip to just about anywhere. People drive way more than you give them credit for even in urban areas. 135-140 mile round trip commute to work is not that uncommon.

But I get it - you need to make your argument, and reality is too inconvenient

I will defer to your expertise on making yourself looking like an ill-informed jackass.

But you never answered the question. Does Tesla give you the pom poms when you buy the skirt, or do you have to purchase them separately?
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As an owner of Tesla stock I couldn’t care less if nobody in rural Texas buys a Tesla. As a minuscule percent of the population they just don’t matter. That goes for all the rural areas. But I will say it made me feel optimistic when I saw one cruising along in rural Idaho.

Buy the way, people commuting 130-140 miles a day are a perfect market for Teslas.

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
The charging thing really isn’t that big of a deal. How often do you drive for more than 200 miles at a time? Rarely, if ever. 99% of people never drive like that more than once in a blue moon. If you simply plug the car in every time you pull into your garage you can almost completely eliminate the possibility that you run out of battery life while you’re driving. And in the rare cases that you DO need a charge, Tesla is taking care of that right now.[/quote]

Obviously, you are completely ignorant of rural America. In West Texas, 200 miles is a trip to the Walmart and back. Or a trip to a Friday night football game. Or a trip to just about anywhere. People drive way more than you give them credit for even in urban areas. 135-140 mile round trip commute to work is not that uncommon.

But I get it - you need to make your argument, and reality is too inconvenient

I will defer to your expertise on making yourself looking like an ill-informed jackass.

But you never answered the question. Does Tesla give you the pom poms when you buy the skirt, or do you have to purchase them separately?
[/quote]

And what business in their right mind markets anything to the .000000001% of the population living in west Texas? People in west Texas wouldn’t buy a 62K car if it got 10K miles per charge and only took an hour to charge. 99% of the people doing the driving in this country don’t live in rural America. That’ why it’s called “rural” and not “urban”.

Like On Edge said, people with long daily commutes, in areas that can afford a pricey car, are the perfect targets for the Tesla. There aren’t that many supercharging stations around, but you don’t actually need a specific outlet to charge your car. You can do it at work with any old 50A circuit. Even as low as a 15A circuit will do it. You can literally charge the car anywhere that the charging cord will reach from your vehicle to an ordinary outlet. 110V charge slower, 220V charges at a decent speed, and the supercharging stations charge at more than 150 miles per hour of charging time.

Tesla’s plan is to build several hundred supercharging stations across the country in the next few years, all within one full battery charge from one another. And if Tesla further improves on the distance each battery can go, there will be more than enough supercharging stations out there. And don’t confuse supercharging stations with regular charging stations. A regular charging station is simply a wall outlet.

So, again, there really isn’t much of an issue with charging these cars. The only people who it would be an issue for are those who would never buy one regardless.

And by the way, I live in rural America. I am more than familiar with it. Obviously you aren’t familiar with urban America. Your argument is inaccurate and moot. You’re quite good at making yourself look like an ill-informed jackass. And what is with your obsession with pom-poms, anyways? What are you, some sort of fucking swish? A toe-tapper?

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
And what business in their right mind markets anything to the .000000001% of the population living in west Texas? People in west Texas wouldn’t buy a 62K car if it got 10K miles per charge and only took an hour to charge. 99% of the people doing the driving in this country don’t live in rural America. That’ why it’s called “rural” and not “urban”.[/quote]

Monsanto, Carghill, and John Deere seem to be doing quite well doing just that.

You’re basing your entire position on charging stations that don’t exist in the real world. Sorry, but a few experimental stations don’t count.

What about the folks living in apartments, or other rental properties who don’t have the luxury of a garage, or ready access to a plug?

At best, the Tesla is a niche product for a niche market - despite your orgasmic optimism.

And a regular charging station - wall outlet - takes 17 hours for a full charge. Unless Tesla can invent more hours in a day, it’s not feasible. LMAO - you act like Tesla is the first car company to try their hand at electrics. There’s a reason no one buys them: even a fool can see that they aren’t practical enough.

Which is probably why they’re such a hit on the hollywood circuit: they’re more stupid than your average fool.

There’s not a problem at all with them, or the flux capacitor, if you are willing to suspend reality. But I’ve already said that once.

u mad, bro? Y teh hate?

Hey Coop~