Tesla Motors

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
it is not out of the question of other companies outperforming Tesla in this market to the point of making them irrelevant [/quote]

This is actually not possible. Tesla is 5 years ahead of everybody and most of the established car makers have already thrown in the towel. They’ve given the market to Tesla and are praying they fail at changing the world.

The only major automaker that is even trying is Nissan. The Leaf is a nice product but it’s way behind the Tesla and they’ve committed to using their existing infrastructure which assures that they will never catch up to Tesla.[/quote]

Goodness, you’re emotionally attached to both the stock and the story. Which is lots of fun when you’re making money, but I would push you to grow as an investor. There are strategies (like selling covered calls) that will allow you to keep a core position in the stock but take profit if the stock should rise, or collect an income stream if the stock should fall.

I’d love to see you make a ton of money on this, but if you can also learn better decision making, it will serve you well in the future.

Edit: are you familiar with options at all?[/quote]

I’ll tell you what Doc, if you can assure me I’ll make at least 100k per year in taxable income I’ll gladly be your little trading protégé. Until then I’m going to continue working at my demanding career and being a good husband and father to my children. Those two things don’t leave time for watching accounts like a hawk and staying abreast of every market hiccup the way you need to if you are going to be a trader, especially dealing in options and shit.

I go weeks without logging into my account and I can go days without checking any stock prices. For these reasons my approach will remain investing in reliable, high yielding securities in industries I think should continue to grow AND in the rare story stock like Tesla that I see as being more than a story.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Something about the Tesla that didn’t make much sense to me…why there is a front AND rear trunk ?

I have never heard many complaints about wanting another trunk, if you need storage you might as well buy a vehicle designed for that.

In the front trunk area, they could have put more batteries to help with extending the range, and since most people are used to not using the area under the hood for storage, there is nothing lost and plenty gained.

There are definitely more Teslas on the roads here, without question it is gaining momentum. [/quote]

Max, I sense you’re coming around on Tesla. Every time you post you seem just a bit more on board.

Okay Dr. P. I just came up with an exit strategy. When that guy Pat finally buys into Tesla, that will be my sell signal.

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:
PS What are the few problems you see that need fixing?[/quote]

To start with, the production capacity for Teslas is well below demand, which is a problem and is hurting their profits and growth. My wife and I had to wait over 7 months for her car (but it was well worth it). A lot of people who may otherwise be interested in purchasing one will go with another car just because of this. Tesla needs to expand production capacity, but without sacrificing quality. They need to either find new suppliers of batteries as well.

Another problem is the market is naturally limited by the very nature of the product. They are very expensive, but they are working on cheaper models which are less expensive which will open up lower income markets which is good. But that is not what I am talking about. What I am talking about is the fact that you have to plug in the car. That may not seem like such a big deal, but it really does severely limit the market. Think about a person who has to drive long distances quite often. They may not be able to plug in their car to charge when they need to, so they will not be buying this car. Also, people that live in say apartment buildings and do not have access to a garage with a plug are out, among others.

Right now, all of their models are expensive and marketed towards higher income people who usually live in suburbs and thus this is not much of an issue right now since these products are obviously not for those people but once they roll out their lower priced models these will become larger issues, but they have a plan for developing a charging station network so I don’t see this as a long term issue.

There are a few more, but they are slipping my mind right now. I will add them as I think of them.[/quote]

Your concerns here are irrelevant. People who live in apartments without garages but are in the market for an 80K car are far and few between. By the time the Model S becomes available at a price that apartment renters can afford, there will be chargers everywhere.

As far as people who drive long distances, another statistically-irrelevant part of the auto market. How many people drive more than 200 miles in a day? How often does ANYONE drive more than 200 miles in a day? And when there are more charging stations around, the Tesla will the BEST option for those people. Not because of the fuel savings but the maintenance costs. The Tesla is an extremely simple machine with few moving parts. People who drive that many miles each day clearly depend on driving for their livelihood. Why fuck around with a vehicle that is just waiting to break down?

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Something about the Tesla that didn’t make much sense to me…why there is a front AND rear trunk ?

I have never heard many complaints about wanting another trunk, if you need storage you might as well buy a vehicle designed for that.

In the front trunk area, they could have put more batteries to help with extending the range, and since most people are used to not using the area under the hood for storage, there is nothing lost and plenty gained.

There are definitely more Teslas on the roads here, without question it is gaining momentum. [/quote]

Max, I sense you’re coming around on Tesla. Every time you post you seem just a bit more on board.

Okay Dr. P. I just came up with an exit strategy. When that guy Pat finally buys into Tesla, that will be my sell signal.[/quote]

I feel bad for Pat. He’s probably at home seething at the success story of a great American company that is the best representation of good old-fashioned American entrepreneurism and vision in decades. He’s probably secretly hoping for the failure of such an amazing company all so he can be right for once.

An ignorant existence is a sad one, worsened only by the fact that his pride forces him to cling to his ignorance even more tightly at a time when he should be letting it go.

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:

[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
it is not out of the question of other companies outperforming Tesla in this market to the point of making them irrelevant [/quote]

This is actually not possible. Tesla is 5 years ahead of everybody and most of the established car makers have already thrown in the towel. They’ve given the market to Tesla and are praying they fail at changing the world.

The only major automaker that is even trying is Nissan. The Leaf is a nice product but it’s way behind the Tesla and they’ve committed to using their existing infrastructure which assures that they will never catch up to Tesla.[/quote]

Don’t just count out the Germans.

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“The Mercedes only comes one way. It has a 28-kWh battery supplied by Tesla, and a powerful electric motor also supplied by Tesla.”

"The BMW i3, on the other hand, comes in two versions: pure electric and with an optional ($3,800) very small gasoline engine to serve as range-extender. In pure electric form, most industry analysts estimate the BMW i3 will be EPA-rated for approximately 90 miles of electric range.

The range-extender adds a 2.4 -gallon gasoline tank for what is believed to be an additional 80 miles of range. This can be refilled at any time, just like any gasoline car. It is this feature that makes the BMW i3 a true Tesla competitor."

Um no. Without the small motor it’s not even as good as a Leaf and with the motor it’s not as good as a Tesla. Less range before you have to gas up and with the splash of gas you can fit into it it would be better to plug in a Tesla for 20 minutes at a super charger, have a coffee and check your emails. Or, troll PX on TN.

[quote]on edge wrote:
I’ll tell you what Doc, if you can assure me I’ll make at least 100k per year in taxable income I’ll gladly be your little trading protÃ??Ã?©gÃ??Ã?©. Until then I’m going to continue working at my demanding career and being a good husband and father to my children. Those two things don’t leave time for watching accounts like a hawk and staying abreast of every market hiccup the way you need to if you are going to be a trader, especially dealing in options and shit.

I go weeks without logging into my account and I can go days without checking any stock prices. For these reasons my approach will remain investing in reliable, high yielding securities in industries I think should continue to grow AND in the rare story stock like Tesla that I see as being more than a story.[/quote]

So what I hear you telling me to do is fuck off. Fair enough.

But before I do, know that I’ve hired and trained guys in their mid-20s and 30s who make 6, 7, and 8 figures a year. I’m bringing these issues up not to bust your balls, but because I know it’ll help you grow as an investor.

The strategy I mentioned doesn’t preclude you from being a good father or husband and doesn’t require you to log in to your brokerage account any more than you already do. I was pointing out that right now you’re playing checkers, and you seem to be doing it well. But everyone else is playing chess and if you don’t want to go there, that’s your perogative.

I’ll check back in this thread on Tuesday and update the option prices I posted.

I sincerely wish continued success for you.

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]on edge wrote:
I’ll tell you what Doc, if you can assure me I’ll make at least 100k per year in taxable income I’ll gladly be your little trading protÃ???Ã??Ã?©gÃ???Ã??Ã?©. Until then I’m going to continue working at my demanding career and being a good husband and father to my children. Those two things don’t leave time for watching accounts like a hawk and staying abreast of every market hiccup the way you need to if you are going to be a trader, especially dealing in options and shit.

I go weeks without logging into my account and I can go days without checking any stock prices. For these reasons my approach will remain investing in reliable, high yielding securities in industries I think should continue to grow AND in the rare story stock like Tesla that I see as being more than a story.[/quote]

So what I hear you telling me to do is fuck off. Fair enough.

But before I do, know that I’ve hired and trained guys in their mid-20s and 30s who make 6, 7, and 8 figures a year. I’m bringing these issues up not to bust your balls, but because I know it’ll help you grow as an investor.

The strategy I mentioned doesn’t preclude you from being a good father or husband and doesn’t require you to log in to your brokerage account any more than you already do. I was pointing out that right now you’re playing checkers, and you seem to be doing it well. But everyone else is playing chess and if you don’t want to go there, that’s your perogative.

I’ll check back in this thread on Tuesday and update the option prices I posted.

I sincerely wish continued success for you.

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Here’s the deal with me and options: I admit I don’t know anything about them, I haven’t even tried to understand them. My impression is an option is a right to shares of stock if they hit a certain price by a certain date. I also have never tried to understand puts or covered calls.

I often read posts on this site: Tesla Motors Club The participants there seem to be the smartest investors/traders I’ve come across on any forum. Guys like Sleepyhead and DaveT are undeniably very smart.

I look at solar stocks the way I look at Biotech. I see them as a very nice story that will never pan out, but Sleepyhead in the Tesla forum made such a compelling case for solar stocks that I bit the bullet and bought CSIQ and SPWR. Now, Sleepyhead and DaveT aren’t the only smart guys on there, there’s lots of smart guys and they are all into options and they sound like they know what they are doing.

CSIQ has got to be the most popular stock on that forum, after tesla of course, and so many of those smart sounding, experienced guys are getting their asses handed to them right and left trading CSIQ. I’ve owned CSIQ for a few months, maybe 6, and its more than doubled for me. These guys, working their options on the same stock over the same time period are getting destroyed.

I’m very skeptical of most peoples, mine in particular, ability to trade options.

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
In the front trunk area, they could have put more batteries to help with extending the range, and since most people are used to not using the area under the hood for storage, there is nothing lost and plenty gained.
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Batteries are heavy. The last thing you want is an unbalanced performance/luxury car–you want the weight low and in the middle if possible. [/quote]

Yes I understand that, but since this weight is dedicated towards propulsion, it seems worthy.

This addresses a main concern of the vehicle. If they can get better range with a faster charging time, and perhaps bring the price down, they have a winner.

I think Tesla is moving in the right direction, you never buy the first generation of anything.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
In the front trunk area, they could have put more batteries to help with extending the range, and since most people are used to not using the area under the hood for storage, there is nothing lost and plenty gained.
[/quote]

Batteries are heavy. The last thing you want is an unbalanced performance/luxury car–you want the weight low and in the middle if possible. [/quote]

Yes I understand that, but since this weight is dedicated towards propulsion, it seems worthy.

This addresses a main concern of the vehicle. If they can get better range with a faster charging time, and perhaps bring the price down, they have a winner.

I think Tesla is moving in the right direction, you never buy the first generation of anything. [/quote]

They’re already accomplishing all three right now. They’re rapidly building supercharging stations all across the country, the car itself is getting cheaper, and the batteries are being built with more capacity for storage.

They are also the main supplier of batteries and whatnot to the very companies looking to get into the electric car market. They may get bought out at some point by a larger company, but the fully-electric car is here to stay. Tesla has revolutionized the car market like no other company in recent memory.

I wouldn’t go that far Coop.

Right now, the car is nothing more than a toy for the wealthy to play with on the weekends. If they can successfully remedy the 3 issues I pointed out, I will be more convinced.

There is also the point of the limited amount of electricity coming from renewables, if it all comes from coal then zero-emissions becomes somewhat of a moot point.

I like what Tesla is doing, but my bullshit detector is on 24/7 no matter if it’s a salesman or a government hack selling me something.

Case in point Coop.

Look at this article in today’s Los Angeles Times

California auto buyers favor Toyota Prius; rest of U.S. prefers trucks

Toyota’s Prius ranked as the top-selling vehicle in California for the second straight year in 2013. Nationally, Ford’s F-series truck has outsold all other autos for more than three decades.

What you and I see is not happening around the country, at least not so far.

Perhaps if CA didn’t have the second highest gas taxes in the country, their auto purchasing decisions wouldn’t be so distorted…lol.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I wouldn’t go that far Coop.

Right now, the car is nothing more than a toy for the wealthy to play with on the weekends. If they can successfully remedy the 3 issues I pointed out, I will be more convinced.

There is also the point of the limited amount of electricity coming from renewables, if it all comes from coal then zero-emissions becomes somewhat of a moot point.

I like what Tesla is doing, but my bullshit detector is on 24/7 no matter if it’s a salesman or a government hack selling me something. [/quote]

The coal-burning is irrelevant, and no, it is not a moot point. The amount of coal-burning would drop precipitously if we all used electric cars.

Right now, the car is a legit commuter vehicle for the wealthy, and the most popular one in many circles. I live in Santa Clara County, right smack in the middle of Silicon Valley. The most popular vehicles in all the little towns on the west end of the valley (Los Altos, Los Altos Hills, Cupertino, Saratoga, Menlo Park, Los Gatos, etc.) are Teslas. They’re all over the place during commute hours. To write them off as a millionaire’s weekend plaything is to reveal a total misunderstanding of the popularity of the car as well as its practicality.

AC Cobras and Ferrari Enzos are the toys for the rich. Tesla Model S’ are everyday drivers.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Case in point Coop.

Look at this article in today’s Los Angeles Times

California auto buyers favor Toyota Prius; rest of U.S. prefers trucks

Toyota’s Prius ranked as the top-selling vehicle in California for the second straight year in 2013. Nationally, Ford’s F-series truck has outsold all other autos for more than three decades.

What you and I see is not happening around the country, at least not so far.[/quote]

No, it’s not happening yet to the same degree that it is here. The reason has nothing to do with the practicality or viability of the Model S. It has to do with the fact that many states have legislation in place specifically barring the sale of Teslas. These states will not allow Teslas to be sold directly to the consumer and must instead go through a dealership. Tesla does not have the resources in place yet to support a nationwide system of dealerships, and no current dealerships are willing to partner with a company that is poised to make their products (gasoline-powered vehicles) irrelevant.

But, Tesla is tackling this issue head-on as well. They are already building their own dealerships. I saw one under construction in San Jose a few days ago.

While the Prius is still outselling the Tesla, at one point many people laughed at the idea of a hybrid vehicle becoming as popular as it is now. There are always people who are skeptical.

Hell, the market for Teslas isn’t just the U.S., anyways. They already are getting in on the ground floor in China and are poised to put the electric car market there in a chokehold. If they corner that market, which they are on the verge of doing, they won’t have to compete with F-150s and Prius’.

And by the way, Max, what do Prius and F-150 sales have to do with any of this in the first place? Are you trying to tell me that Tesla cannot be successful over the long haul if they don’t outsell F-150s and Prius’? I think BMW, Mercedes, Nissan and others would disagree.

Coop,

The coal issue addresses where this electricity comes from when you plug it in, and if a substantial amount is not coming from renewables, why bother having a discussion about “clean energy.” You cannot create an artificial market, not an honest and successful one.

You cannot compare an Enzo Ferrari to a Tesla, the Ferrari makes no claim of helping the environment. It also comes with no illusion of it having even decent mpg, it is like taking a porn star out on a date with the expectation of having an intelligent and engaging conversation.

My comparison with the sales of Priuses and F-150’s was to show how far apart CA and the rest of the country are with their mindset and the buying habits. Teslas might pick up in Cali, but the rest of creation will not follow suit, and that is what the article I linked was trying to convey.

Don’t get stuck in the California bubble, where the illusion of life nowhere else exists. Seeing the rest of the US has shown me how far Californians have our heads shoved up our collective asses thinking we are ahead of everyone. You might argue that technology and innovation are ahead of everyone here, someone else might argue that they are not broke as fuck having to pay jaywalking tickets up to $250.

I still think they are going in the right direction, but I am not going to Peter-puff them anytime soon.

I also just realized that the Tesla weighs about 4800 lbs, which explains why putting more batteries in the front is an issue. Put that bitch on a diet and lighten the load.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Coop,

The coal issue addresses where this electricity comes from when you plug it in, and if a substantial amount is not coming from renewables, why bother having a discussion about “clean energy.” You cannot create an artificial market, not an honest and successful one.

You cannot compare an Enzo Ferrari to a Tesla, the Ferrari makes no claim of helping the environment. It also comes with no illusion of it having even decent mpg, it is like taking a porn star out on a date with the expectation of having an intelligent and engaging conversation.

My comparison with the sales of Priuses and F-150’s was to show how far apart CA and the rest of the country are with their mindset and the buying habits. Teslas might pick up in Cali, but the rest of creation will not follow suit, and that is what the article I linked was trying to convey.

Don’t get stuck in the California bubble, where the illusion of life nowhere else exists. Seeing the rest of the US has shown me how far Californians have our heads shoved up our collective asses thinking we are ahead of everyone. You might argue that technology and innovation are ahead of everyone here, someone else might argue that they are not broke as fuck having to pay jaywalking tickets up to $250.

I still think they are going in the right direction, but I am not going to Peter-puff them anytime soon. [/quote]

First of all, coal-burning plants are coming offline each year, and they’re being replaced by more and more cleaner-burning options or renewable energy sources. So the amount of coal being burned to produce electricity is decreasing each year. Regardless, the amount of coal burnt, on average, to provide electricity to an outlet capable of charging a Tesla is still FAR less than the emissions of a gas-powered car driving down the street for the same amount of time electricity is being used to charge a Tesla. Given that the Tesla is most popular in areas (particularly in California) that are drastically reducing their dependence on coal and switching to things like solar and so forth, the amount of emissions produced to keep a Tesla on the road are simply insignificant. So yes, it IS a moot point since they ARE far more “green” than anything else on the road that is powered by gas.

Secondly, I am not comparing the Tesla to a Ferrari. I am only saying that one is a true weekend driver for the rich, while the other is a popular daily driver.

I fully understand that California is far different from the rest of the car-buying public. But I think the fact that so much bizarre, overly-liberal shit comes out of California distracts from the fact that California is still somewhat of a trailblazer that the rest of the country is not. Unfortunately, politics in this state distract people from the reality that California is still at the forefront of many, many things, and as California goes today, so goes the rest of the country tomorrow.

So I don’t think it’s an indictment of anything at all to say that California is not like the rest of the country. And while Teslas will never outsell the F-150, they don’t have to in order to be a massively revolutionary product that has already instigated large-scale changes in the way the auto industry works.

And that’s all I’m saying that Tesla is. In the near future gas-powered vehicles WILL be in the minority. In the near future, the F-150 will be a hybrid or a true EV (or at least have the option thereof). In the near future, there will be charging stations all over the country, vehicles will be all over the road that don’t run on gas (but on Tesla-produced batteries instead), EVs will continue to become more and more popular in Europe and China (which would more than negate the refusal of rural Middle America to join the 21st century), and it will be Tesla that fomented such changes.

So yeah, us Californians do have our collective heads shoved up our pretentious asses. And those asses are pretentious because every once in awhile California produces something extraordinary that the rest of the country takes years to catch on to. Tesla is simply the latest example.

The fact that the Big 3, along with BMW and Mercedes, are flipping out about this vehicle and putting their lobbying efforts into publicizing every little thing that goes wrong with the Model S is very reminiscent of the whole Tucker debacle 60 years ago.

That’s what we do in this country. Something new and innovative comes along and everyone tears it down. It happened to Tucker and people are trying to do it to Tesla. Except that Tesla is too far along now to be derailed, unlike Tucker. It’s sad, really. I really don’t understand all the skepticism and I certainly don’t get the outright negative commentary from people like Pat. It’s funny, but all the negativity tends to come from conservatives. I know a lot don’t like the subsidies aspect, but that’s a load of hypocritical bullshit. If conservatives were consistent in going after ALL subsidies and not just the ones championed by liberals, they’d spend half their time going after their own pet projects.

It’s just the American Way to criticize everything and revel in the downfall of others. I’m not including MaximusB in this rant because I’ve known him too long on this site to lump him in with mindless idiots like Pat, who simply want the company to fail so they can count it as one more blow to West Coast liberalism.

It’s not going to happen, though. There have been three Tesla threads on this site in the last year. Many of the naysayers were very vocal in their criticisms and many made little attempt to hide their hope that the company fails. None of those people have turned out to be right about anything after a year. Ten years from now, they still won’t be right.

Tesla is also about to officially announce the opening of a new battery factory that will double the world’s production of lithium-ion batteries. One of the big shots at Apple recently met with Elon Musk, presumably about how to better integrate the two companies’ products. I’m sure there are plans to start putting all of Apple’s shit in the Model S. But I bet the real reason for this meeting was to discuss potential ways for Apple to invest in a further expansion of Tesla’s battery factories, given that all of Apple’s products run on lithium-ion batteries.

And that is the really cool thing about Tesla’s story. They’ve been so successful at developing a very unique product that not only are they cornering a growing segment of a huge market, as a byproduct of such innovation they are also becoming a huge supplier of lithium-ion batteries. That alone makes the future of the company rosy, as far as I’m concerned. Their stock may be overvalued a bit, but the impact they can and are having across the board is being seriously undervalued by many.

[quote]on edge wrote:

I’m very skeptical of most peoples, mine in particular, ability to trade options.[/quote]

Good, you should be.

Nine out of ten people who trade options are going to be net losers. But you’re in an interesting situation in that you’re sitting on a large stock winner. In your case, selling covered calls (in this case, “covered” refers to the fact that you own TSLA stock) is akin to buying insurance on your house. At the end of the year, do you curse the fact that your house didn’t burn down? Is your premium wasted? No, it’s not. I would argue it bought you peace of mind.

So, I’m going to make this very basic. We’re only going to be concerned with calls and we’re only going to sell them. Theoretically, if you buy a call your upside is unlimited and your downside is limited to what you paid for the call. When you sell a call, your upside is limited to the money you receive for it called the premium, but your downside is umlimited. However, the difference is you actually own the stock so if the stock were to go up past the strike price, you would have the stock called away from you. But, you’d also have all the gains leading up to that.

For example, let’s say you’re sitting on 600 shares of TSLA. You love the story, you love the stock, but you know that the stock has had a meteoric rise since November and you know earnings are coming out on 2/19 so there might be some bumps in the road. Analysts are looking for 18 cents a share but everyone is focused on guidance.

You could buy puts to protect yourself from a downside move, but buying options is why nine out of ten people lose money. It’s like being a player in a casino versus being the casino. Or being the buyer of insurance versus being the insurance company. Instead, we’re going to sell 300 shares worth of the TSLA 225 calls expiring on March 22 for $7/share. We immediately have $2,100 deposited in our account.

Here are some possible scenarios come March 22:

TSLA is trading $225 - awesome. Your TSLA holding have gone up by $15,000 ($25/share * 600 share) and you get to keep the entire $2,100 you got paid.
TSLA is trading $200 - not bad. Your TSLA stock is unchanged, but you’re $2,100 richer from selling the calls.
TSLA is trading $175 - blows…but not as bad as if you didn’t sell the calls. Your stock is down $15,00, but you’ve collected $2,100 in premium mitigating some of the loss.

Here’s where things get interesting:

TSLA settle anywhere between $225 and $232. 300 share of your stock will be up between $25 and $32 per share for a gain between $7,500 and $9,600. The other 300 share will have been called away from you at a price of $225 for a gain of $7,500 plus you get to keep some portion of the $2,100 in option premium. This strategy is still an overall winner if the stock is below $232.

TSLA settles above $232 - well, your stock got called away from you at an effective price of $232 ($225 plus the $7/shr you earned for selling the options), but overall your still up over $19,200 and you still own half you position.

This strategy gets to be really fun when you start going out on the calendar. If I own 1000 share of XYZ trading for $40, I might sell 200 calls at $50 expiring in March, 200 calls at $55 expiring in April, 200 at $60 expiring in May, etc. If the stock never gets up to $50, I’m still collecting all that income every month. And, due to a wonderful phenomena called decay, every day that goes by increases the chances that the strategy will pay off. In fact, the decay is greatest in the last month. It’s so strong sometimes, that even an up day in the underlying stock isn’t enough to move the price of the calls higher.

Lastly, and this is the part that everyone fucks up, how do you get back in? Once I’ve had shares called away, I determine what price I’d want to own the shares at again and express that as a % of the current price. For example, TSLA goes up to $225, I think I’d be a buyer below $200 so that’s where I place my bid. BUT, I don’t just leave it there. $200 is %12.5 below $225 so every day the stock moves higher, I move my bid up so it remains %12.5 under the high. On a down day, I don’t move it down or I would never get filled. If the stock goes up as high as $257 without a %12.5 retracement, then my bid stays as $225 and I suffer the opportunity cost of not being in the stock.