[quote]DBCooper wrote:
What gives? I thought this was a capitalist society we live in? Why is it that Tesla is being barred from directly selling to customers in NC, amongst other states? They’ve found a business model that works, they are turning profits, providing a product that the consumers who have bought it are thrilled with, and the NC govt is going to try and keep them out?
Because electric cars suck ass and should be put in a pile an burned out of existence.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
What gives? I thought this was a capitalist society we live in? Why is it that Tesla is being barred from directly selling to customers in NC, amongst other states? They’ve found a business model that works, they are turning profits, providing a product that the consumers who have bought it are thrilled with, and the NC govt is going to try and keep them out?
Because electric cars suck ass and should be put in a pile an burned out of existence.[/quote]
Ignorance is bliss, isn’t it?
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
What gives? I thought this was a capitalist society we live in? Why is it that Tesla is being barred from directly selling to customers in NC, amongst other states? They’ve found a business model that works, they are turning profits, providing a product that the consumers who have bought it are thrilled with, and the NC govt is going to try and keep them out?
Because electric cars suck ass and should be put in a pile an burned out of existence.[/quote]
Ignorance is bliss, isn’t it?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/york-hedge-funds-lost-shirts-100000529.html[/quote]
I am not making the case that what they are doing is right. I am making the case that electric cars suck dick and should be destroyed and banished from the earth like a disease. Electric/ hybrid cars are stupid. All they do is shift the pollution from your car to the power plant. The contents of the batteries are 10 times more caustic than the shit that comes out of an exaust pipe. And they exemplify all the gayness and stupidity society has to offer. If I could afford a '64 GTO, it would be my daily driver and I would put lead in the gas. '64 because that’s the last year before there was any pollution control.
When you get to wear T-shirts and shorts in January, I’ll accept the thanks.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
What gives? I thought this was a capitalist society we live in? Why is it that Tesla is being barred from directly selling to customers in NC, amongst other states? They’ve found a business model that works, they are turning profits, providing a product that the consumers who have bought it are thrilled with, and the NC govt is going to try and keep them out?
Because electric cars suck ass and should be put in a pile an burned out of existence.[/quote]
Ignorance is bliss, isn’t it?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/york-hedge-funds-lost-shirts-100000529.html[/quote]
I am not making the case that what they are doing is right. I am making the case that electric cars suck dick and should be destroyed and banished from the earth like a disease. Electric/ hybrid cars are stupid. All they do is shift the pollution from your car to the power plant. The contents of the batteries are 10 times more caustic than the shit that comes out of an exaust pipe. And they exemplify all the gayness and stupidity society has to offer. If I could afford a '64 GTO, it would be my daily driver and I would put lead in the gas. '64 because that’s the last year before there was any pollution control.
When you get to wear T-shirts and shorts in January, I’ll accept the thanks.[/quote]
Still bitter about the NFC Championship Game, aren’t you? That’s okay, if you want to make ignorant statements in a childish attempt to bait me, that’s your prerogative. You’ve already admitted that you try to bait me with your farcical ramblings, so why I should lend any credence to anything you ever say in my direction is beyond me. Have fun wallowing in whatever misery it is that you’ve created for yourself which you think can be minimized or glossed over by provoking me.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
So to recap:
-Countingbeans makes a comment that this issue is about state revenue
-I liken it to the Internet Sales Tax which is about gasp state revenue
-Drunkpig somehow distinguishes between “federally mandated tax collection” and “state usage tax” as if the federal proposal institutes a tax that doesn’t already exist
-I point out that their intended purpose is the same (remember: state revenue)
-Inebriatedsow somehow concludes that I am not aware of where the collected tax revenue goes. [/quote]
Counting beans is absolutely correct.
You are wrong. If it were merely about state revenue, then there would be 50 taxing authorities for internet stores to contend with. Or 57, depending on who you believe. In reality, there are upwards of 9700 taxing authorities with their palms extended. Your predictable ignorance leads you to think that the tax revenues are either state or federal. Obviously such is not the case.
No one is questioning the existence of the tax. Certainly not me. I am questioning if Congress - is aware that the 10th Amendment exists.
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people”
The federal government - specifically congress - has no place trying to enforce the collection of state taxes. That is the responsibility reserved for the states.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
What gives? I thought this was a capitalist society we live in? Why is it that Tesla is being barred from directly selling to customers in NC, amongst other states? They’ve found a business model that works, they are turning profits, providing a product that the consumers who have bought it are thrilled with, and the NC govt is going to try and keep them out?
Because electric cars suck ass and should be put in a pile an burned out of existence.[/quote]
Ignorance is bliss, isn’t it?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/york-hedge-funds-lost-shirts-100000529.html[/quote]
I am not making the case that what they are doing is right. I am making the case that electric cars suck dick and should be destroyed and banished from the earth like a disease. Electric/ hybrid cars are stupid. All they do is shift the pollution from your car to the power plant. The contents of the batteries are 10 times more caustic than the shit that comes out of an exaust pipe. And they exemplify all the gayness and stupidity society has to offer. If I could afford a '64 GTO, it would be my daily driver and I would put lead in the gas. '64 because that’s the last year before there was any pollution control.
When you get to wear T-shirts and shorts in January, I’ll accept the thanks.[/quote]
Still bitter about the NFC Championship Game, aren’t you? That’s okay, if you want to make ignorant statements in a childish attempt to bait me, that’s your prerogative. You’ve already admitted that you try to bait me with your farcical ramblings, so why I should lend any credence to anything you ever say in my direction is beyond me. Have fun wallowing in whatever misery it is that you’ve created for yourself which you think can be minimized or glossed over by provoking me.[/quote]
I am not baiting anybody. Sports are compartmentalized in their own little box, there is no carry over. Trust me, I get over sports pretty quickly. It’s ridiculous to think that bothers me that much. It’s football, it’s a game, it’s not life. I got bigger fish to fry then how my favorite team does. It bothers you more than it will ever bother me.It does not permeate or bother my everyday life. Just saying I hate hybrid/ electric cars. The only reason to by a hybrid is to power a 5000 watt system. Otherwise they are useless slow pieces of shit. I am all for the prius, if you drop a blown 454 in the mother fucker.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
What gives? I thought this was a capitalist society we live in? Why is it that Tesla is being barred from directly selling to customers in NC, amongst other states? They’ve found a business model that works, they are turning profits, providing a product that the consumers who have bought it are thrilled with, and the NC govt is going to try and keep them out?
Because electric cars suck ass and should be put in a pile an burned out of existence.[/quote]
Ignorance is bliss, isn’t it?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/york-hedge-funds-lost-shirts-100000529.html[/quote]
I am not making the case that what they are doing is right. I am making the case that electric cars suck dick and should be destroyed and banished from the earth like a disease. Electric/ hybrid cars are stupid. All they do is shift the pollution from your car to the power plant. The contents of the batteries are 10 times more caustic than the shit that comes out of an exaust pipe. And they exemplify all the gayness and stupidity society has to offer. If I could afford a '64 GTO, it would be my daily driver and I would put lead in the gas. '64 because that’s the last year before there was any pollution control.
When you get to wear T-shirts and shorts in January, I’ll accept the thanks.[/quote]
Still bitter about the NFC Championship Game, aren’t you? That’s okay, if you want to make ignorant statements in a childish attempt to bait me, that’s your prerogative. You’ve already admitted that you try to bait me with your farcical ramblings, so why I should lend any credence to anything you ever say in my direction is beyond me. Have fun wallowing in whatever misery it is that you’ve created for yourself which you think can be minimized or glossed over by provoking me.[/quote]
I am not baiting anybody. Sports are compartmentalized in their own little box, there is no carry over. Trust me, I get over sports pretty quickly. It’s ridiculous to think that bothers me that much. It’s football, it’s a game, it’s not life. I got bigger fish to fry then how my favorite team does. It bothers you more than it will ever bother me.It does not permeate or bother my everyday life. Just saying I hate hybrid/ electric cars. The only reason to by a hybrid is to power a 5000 watt system. Otherwise they are useless slow pieces of shit. I am all for the prius, if you drop a blown 454 in the mother fucker. [/quote]
See? That’s what I mean by ignorant statements. You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about when you say that electric cars are slow. The Teslas are faster than pretty much any muscle car from 1964. In fact, the Tesla Model S Performance IS faster than any muscle car from 1964.
2008 Tesla Roadster: 0-60 mph 4.6 Quarter mile 13.4
2011 Tesla Roadster 2.5 S 0-60 mph 3.7
2012 Tesla Model S Base (225 kW) 0-60 mph 5.9 Quarter Mile 14.2 (this is the slowest Tesla)
2013 Tesla Model S Base (270 kW) 0-60 mph 5.4 Quarter Mile 13.7
2013 Tesla Model S Performance (310 kW) 0-60 mph 3.9 Quarter Mile 12.4
5000 watts? More like 250000 watts, pal. I love how sexy you look with egg all over your face.
edit: actually, I take that back. The 1964 Ford Fairlane Thunderbolt 427 and the 1964 Dodge Hemi were faster than the Tesla S Performance. But that was it. And that only takes into account their 1/4 mile times. Both of those cars were slower at 0-60.
What’s the range on these magically wonderful electric Tesla’s? Will they charge on 110? Or do they need 220? If I’m driving the Tesla of your choice, how many days would it take me to drive from Redding to San Diego? How many days would the same trip take if, every time I was forced to come to a complete stop, I accelerated as fast as the gazelle-like Tesla could accelerate?
LMAO at enviro nuts cruising around town in their electric cars that run on electricity generated by natural gas turbines which was made available via hydraulic fracturing. Almost as funny as a PETA member wearing leather birkenstocks.
[quote]drunkpig wrote:
What’s the range on these magically wonderful electric Tesla’s? Will they charge on 110? Or do they need 220? If I’m driving the Tesla of your choice, how many days would it take me to drive from Redding to San Diego? How many days would the same trip take if, every time I was forced to come to a complete stop, I accelerated as fast as the gazelle-like Tesla could accelerate?
LMAO at enviro nuts cruising around town in their electric cars that run on electricity generated by natural gas turbines which was made available via hydraulic fracturing. Almost as funny as a PETA member wearing leather birkenstocks. [/quote]
I always thought the “zero emissions” statement should get sued for false advertising.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
What gives? I thought this was a capitalist society we live in? Why is it that Tesla is being barred from directly selling to customers in NC, amongst other states? They’ve found a business model that works, they are turning profits, providing a product that the consumers who have bought it are thrilled with, and the NC govt is going to try and keep them out?
Because electric cars suck ass and should be put in a pile an burned out of existence.[/quote]
Ignorance is bliss, isn’t it?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/york-hedge-funds-lost-shirts-100000529.html[/quote]
I am not making the case that what they are doing is right. I am making the case that electric cars suck dick and should be destroyed and banished from the earth like a disease. Electric/ hybrid cars are stupid. All they do is shift the pollution from your car to the power plant. The contents of the batteries are 10 times more caustic than the shit that comes out of an exaust pipe. And they exemplify all the gayness and stupidity society has to offer. If I could afford a '64 GTO, it would be my daily driver and I would put lead in the gas. '64 because that’s the last year before there was any pollution control.
When you get to wear T-shirts and shorts in January, I’ll accept the thanks.[/quote]
Still bitter about the NFC Championship Game, aren’t you? That’s okay, if you want to make ignorant statements in a childish attempt to bait me, that’s your prerogative. You’ve already admitted that you try to bait me with your farcical ramblings, so why I should lend any credence to anything you ever say in my direction is beyond me. Have fun wallowing in whatever misery it is that you’ve created for yourself which you think can be minimized or glossed over by provoking me.[/quote]
I am not baiting anybody. Sports are compartmentalized in their own little box, there is no carry over. Trust me, I get over sports pretty quickly. It’s ridiculous to think that bothers me that much. It’s football, it’s a game, it’s not life. I got bigger fish to fry then how my favorite team does. It bothers you more than it will ever bother me.It does not permeate or bother my everyday life. Just saying I hate hybrid/ electric cars. The only reason to by a hybrid is to power a 5000 watt system. Otherwise they are useless slow pieces of shit. I am all for the prius, if you drop a blown 454 in the mother fucker. [/quote]
See? That’s what I mean by ignorant statements. You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about when you say that electric cars are slow. The Teslas are faster than pretty much any muscle car from 1964. In fact, the Tesla Model S Performance IS faster than any muscle car from 1964.
2008 Tesla Roadster: 0-60 mph 4.6 Quarter mile 13.4
2011 Tesla Roadster 2.5 S 0-60 mph 3.7
2012 Tesla Model S Base (225 kW) 0-60 mph 5.9 Quarter Mile 14.2 (this is the slowest Tesla)
2013 Tesla Model S Base (270 kW) 0-60 mph 5.4 Quarter Mile 13.7
2013 Tesla Model S Performance (310 kW) 0-60 mph 3.9 Quarter Mile 12.4
5000 watts? More like 250000 watts, pal. I love how sexy you look with egg all over your face.
edit: actually, I take that back. The 1964 Ford Fairlane Thunderbolt 427 and the 1964 Dodge Hemi were faster than the Tesla S Performance. But that was it. And that only takes into account their 1/4 mile times. Both of those cars were slower at 0-60.[/quote]
I suppose you didn’t realize that I was talking about a stereo system?
And no they weren’t. The only sub 5 second car in the muscle car era of old was the '70 Super Bird with the 427 hemi. Only 50 were made.
Further, fat load of good it will do, that performance, which the roadster is the shell of a lotus Elise, w if you push full bore will get you a whopping 25 miles of range. Sounds exciting. If you can keep your foot out of it, you can almost get 100! That means you will only have to hitch hike part of the way home if you use your A\C.
At least it’s light when you have to push the piece of shit off the golden gate bridge when you get stuck in traffic.
So let’s see, the Tesla roadster starts at $101,000.00 average, in non-communist states, I am sure in Cali they rape your hole far more. What, pray-tell can you get for that price? Porsche 911 Carrara S, which is faster and can go more than 100 miles, Corvette Zr1, faster and can go more than 100 miles, Lexus IS-F, which is faster and can got more than 100 miles, Cadillac CTS-V which is way cheaper and faster and can go more than 100 miles, Corvette Z06, which is faster and can go more than 100 miles, BMW M3 and M5 which are both faster, cheaper, and can go more than 100 miles, Mercedes C63 AMG, faster and can go more than 100 miles…
Yeah the tesla can hit 60 in 3.9 seconds a couple times, then it becomes 4.5, then it becomes 6, then it becomes 10 with struggling with all it’s little might while the smell of ozone fills your cabin.
Tesla can suck a dick, I hope the go under with their little electric pieces of shit.
Here is the next great car. All American Made. Get ya some.
[quote]drunkpig wrote:
What’s the range on these magically wonderful electric Tesla’s?
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100 miles average. Some people have milked a little more driving really, really gingerly, no A\C, radio or any other creature comfort.
In about 12-16 hours. Watch you electric bill, you could probabaly run your car on nitro methane for the electric bill you’d have.
6-8 hours.
You would eventually push it off a cliff and go Greyhound.
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LMAO at enviro nuts cruising around town in their electric cars that run on electricity generated by natural gas turbines which was made available via hydraulic fracturing. Almost as funny as a PETA member wearing leather birkenstocks. [/quote]
Not to mention the environmental pollution from just making the battery pack is greater than the manufacture and sale and life time use of a Mustang GT 500.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]drunkpig wrote:
What’s the range on these magically wonderful electric Tesla’s? Will they charge on 110? Or do they need 220? If I’m driving the Tesla of your choice, how many days would it take me to drive from Redding to San Diego? How many days would the same trip take if, every time I was forced to come to a complete stop, I accelerated as fast as the gazelle-like Tesla could accelerate?
LMAO at enviro nuts cruising around town in their electric cars that run on electricity generated by natural gas turbines which was made available via hydraulic fracturing. Almost as funny as a PETA member wearing leather birkenstocks. [/quote]
I always thought the “zero emissions” statement should get sued for false advertising.[/quote]
It should, it’s emissions migration, not ‘zero emissions’. If energy is created (to be more accurate, changed into a form usable to an electric motor), there is emissions of something somewhere.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]drunkpig wrote:
What’s the range on these magically wonderful electric Tesla’s? Will they charge on 110? Or do they need 220? If I’m driving the Tesla of your choice, how many days would it take me to drive from Redding to San Diego? How many days would the same trip take if, every time I was forced to come to a complete stop, I accelerated as fast as the gazelle-like Tesla could accelerate?
LMAO at enviro nuts cruising around town in their electric cars that run on electricity generated by natural gas turbines which was made available via hydraulic fracturing. Almost as funny as a PETA member wearing leather birkenstocks. [/quote]
I always thought the “zero emissions” statement should get sued for false advertising.[/quote]
It should, it’s emissions migration, not ‘zero emissions’. If energy is created (to be more accurate, changed into a form usable to an electric motor), there is emissions of something somewhere. [/quote]
It’s still zero emissions from the car, no matter how you paint it. Sure, it isn’t ENTIRELY emission-free when taking into account how much emissions are produced making it. But there isn’t a car on the road that was made emission-free in that sense. This car is simply emission-free after production.
By the way, I don’t know where you get your info from about the Tesla, but from everything I’ve read you’re entirely wrong on the price and the distance one can drive with it. The base price of a Model S is $62,000. That’s not cheap, but there is clearly a burgeoning market for it regardless.
The driving range is still not that good, but it’s more than double than 100-mile figure you stated, even if you get the lower-end battery. Most people who can afford a car that costs $62K already have another car, and only an idiot would buy this as their sole vehicle. So it’s perfect for daily driving or reasonable commute times. If the owner needs to go on a trip of some length, they can use their other vehicle.
As far as driving at a high rate of speed all the time, sure, if you do so the battery drains much faster. But the fact is that the demographic most able to afford this car and most likely to buy one simply does not drive at a high rate of speed. The same could be said of virtually any high-performance luxury vehicle. Look at any driving-related fatality statistics you want. Every indication is that young people are FAR more likely to die in a high-speed crash than older people are. So while what you said is true, I think the point is a bit moot.
Driverless cars are actually the wave of the near-future. I think these Teslas are probably more of a stop-gap until we get there. But since Google is the one developing the technology for driverless cars and is based in the same area as Tesla Motors (Silicon Valley), and given that Google is more likely to simply contract the technology out to a car manufacturer rather than start building vehicles themselves, Tesla is also in perfect position to be the benefactor of this major shift in the way we transport ourselves in the future.
You sound like people who were against cars when they first came out. Just keep cruising around town on top of your horse, Pat.
Look at the development of any major technology in our lives today. It’s about incremental changes. There will always be people who are against these changes and will have all sorts of complaints. The batteries don’t last long enough, the production still produces emissions, etc. etc. I’m not saying that the technology has been perfected or that it won’t evolve further.
This move toward electric cars and that sort of thing is going to spark a major change in the way we live our lives. Battery life is literally one of the only major roadblocks from a technological standpoint from these changes occurring at a rapid pace. Now that companies, laboratories, govts, think tanks, entrepreneurs and investors are seeing that there is a growing market for a vehicle that can only travel about 265 miles on one battery charge, the next natural step is for these people to take advantage of this market further by developing longer-lived batteries.
And people will be there to oppose these paradigm shifts. Good for them. Some people preferred horses to cars, radios to TV and so on. All I’m saying is that Tesla is at the forefront of a new technology right now, just like Google is in regards to driverless cars. That is the reality of the world we live in.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
It’s still zero emissions from the car, no matter how you paint it. Sure, it isn’t ENTIRELY emission-free when taking into account how much emissions are produced making it. But there isn’t a car on the road that was made emission-free in that sense. This car is simply emission-free after production.
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Even after production emissions are being released to power it. I could equally bottle all the exhaust from an ICE car, then pay someone to take the bottles away, same “zero” emission. I will say that the electric car provides for the future ability to go Zero emissions, but until we are running the power grid on solar/wind/nuclear/new technology, it’s still producing emissions to drive it. And many people are to dumb not to realize it.
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By the way, I don’t know where you get your info from about the Tesla, but from everything I’ve read you’re entirely wrong on the price and the distance one can drive with it. The base price of a Model S is $62,000. That’s not cheap, but there is clearly a burgeoning market for it regardless.
The driving range is still not that good, but it’s more than double than 100-mile figure you stated, even if you get the lower-end battery. Most people who can afford a car that costs $62K already have another car, and only an idiot would buy this as their sole vehicle. So it’s perfect for daily driving or reasonable commute times. If the owner needs to go on a trip of some length, they can use their other vehicle.
As far as driving at a high rate of speed all the time, sure, if you do so the battery drains much faster. But the fact is that the demographic most able to afford this car and most likely to buy one simply does not drive at a high rate of speed. The same could be said of virtually any high-performance luxury vehicle. Look at any driving-related fatality statistics you want. Every indication is that young people are FAR more likely to die in a high-speed crash than older people are. So while what you said is true, I think the point is a bit moot.
Driverless cars are actually the wave of the near-future. I think these Teslas are probably more of a stop-gap until we get there. But since Google is the one developing the technology for driverless cars and is based in the same area as Tesla Motors (Silicon Valley), and given that Google is more likely to simply contract the technology out to a car manufacturer rather than start building vehicles themselves, Tesla is also in perfect position to be the benefactor of this major shift in the way we transport ourselves in the future.
You sound like people who were against cars when they first came out. Just keep cruising around town on top of your horse, Pat.[/quote]
I’d also ask, are you talking about cost, or cost to consumer? 2 different things in the electric car market.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Bert, do you think Tesla strictly got their government subsidies via low level Department of Energy managers in the Cincinnati office?[/quote]
What subsidies are you talking about? You mean the low-interest loan they received back in 2007? The one that they are ahead of schedule to pay back? That subsidy?