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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I don’t think the person who was chosen to be the enemy shares that opinion. I don’t think the people who had bombs fall on them feel that way. Were the children who died in Hiroshima enemy combatants? Do those who perpetrated 9/11 think it was murder? [/quote]

Give me a break. No one, that isn’t a psychopath, supports the “murder” of non-enemy combatants. No one wanted children to die during WWII. No one wants innocent children, women, or men for that matter to die in Afghanistan.

To compare sucking an unborn baby out of a woman to killing an enemy combatant while at war is the biggest bull shit stretch I’ve ever heard.

“Chosen to be the enemy,” hilarious.

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Don’t fly a plane into a building and kill nearly 3,000 people if you don’t want to be “chosen” as the enemy…Ridiculous.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

Promurder isn’t divisive language that doesn’t help create an environment for debate that is hostility free? [/quote]

Does pro-murder bother you?

Is anti-life better? Or how about Selective-“choice”-based-on-arbitrary-criteria-only-given-to-some-people-but-obviously-not-all? [/quote]
No. We are all pro murder. [/quote]

Speak for yourself homie. Speak for yourself. [/quote]
People were not murdered in Iraq on your behalf? [/quote]

Nope. They were not.

I am unfortunately forced against my will to support through confiscatory taxation such horrors. (I Do choose to support the armed service men and women who are ordered into such action, and hold the highest authority responsible for that choice.) But I did not, nor do I still, think a non-defensive war is appropriate.

So no, still not pro-murder. [/quote]
Isn’t that like saying your against abortion but support those who have them?

I do notice you support the idea of war. That still makes you pro-murder. [/quote]

No, it is not like saying you are against abortion, but support those who are.

Where are the PWI English police when you need them…

Killing an enemy combatant and murder are not the same thing. [/quote]
I don’t think the person who was chosen to be the enemy shares that opinion. I don’t think the people who had bombs fall on them feel that way. Were the children who died in Hiroshima enemy combatants? Do those who perpetrated 9/11 think it was murder? [/quote]

Don’t forget we are always sentencing a few of our own to death when we go to war, we just don’t know who or how many but it always happens you can be sure of that.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

Isn’t that like saying your against abortion but support those who have them? [/quote]

No. I haven’t the slightest idea how you drew this conclusion either.

No. I don’t. I said no such thing. Maybe you should re-read what I wrote.

Hint: thinking a defensive war is appropriate doesn’t mean you support said war. It simply means you are forced into a position you don’t support, by the actions of another, and have no choice but to partake in what you don’t want, for survival.

No it doesn’t. As explained above.

You’re projecting your own perceptions and bias, not identifying mine. There is a distinct difference.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Don’t fly a plane into a building and kill nearly 3,000 people if you don’t want to be “chosen” as the enemy…Ridiculous. [/quote]

Damn straight. Those silly Iraqis flying planes into buildings. What were they thinking?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

Isn’t that like saying your against abortion but support those who have them? [/quote]

No. I haven’t the slightest idea how you drew this conclusion either.

No. I don’t. I said no such thing. Maybe you should re-read what I wrote.

Hint: thinking a defensive war is appropriate doesn’t mean you support said war. It simply means you are forced into a position you don’t support, by the actions of another, and have no choice but to partake in what you don’t want, for survival.

No it doesn’t. As explained above.

You’re projecting your own perceptions and bias, not identifying mine. There is a distinct difference. [/quote]

I don’t think its about survival, its about way of life. You always have the option to surrender in war and it does not imply death.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Don’t fly a plane into a building and kill nearly 3,000 people if you don’t want to be “chosen” as the enemy…Ridiculous. [/quote]

Damn straight. Those silly Iraqis flying planes into buildings. What were they thinking?[/quote]

If only they had died in the plane crash we wouldn’t have had to attack their country in an effort to arrest them.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Don’t fly a plane into a building and kill nearly 3,000 people if you don’t want to be “chosen” as the enemy…Ridiculous. [/quote]

Damn straight. Those silly Iraqis flying planes into buildings. What were they thinking?[/quote]

Hmmmm, I don’t remember typing Iraqis. Maybe I did, nope I didn’t.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

I don’t think its about survival, its about way of life. You always have the option to surrender in war and it does not imply death.

[/quote]

Not to get into semantically argument, it depends on what you consider survival. Prisoner camps, re-education camps, living as a subject… None of that will be considered “survival” in a true sense to those who have been free and have a will to live.

You know the whole “live free or die”, “I’d rather die on my feet than live on me knees” point of view.

I don’t think we disagree with the overall point here, and I’d rather not get into a back and forth about what is or isn’t survival for these purposes.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Don’t fly a plane into a building and kill nearly 3,000 people if you don’t want to be “chosen” as the enemy…Ridiculous. [/quote]

Damn straight. Those silly Iraqis flying planes into buildings. What were they thinking?[/quote]

If only they had died in the plane crash we wouldn’t have had to attack their country in an effort to arrest them.[/quote]

Every member of Al Qaeda was on those flight? Man, I thought the intel community was at least a little better than that.

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I’m suprised no one is questioning zecarlo use of the term “Murder.”

Interesting…

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Don’t fly a plane into a building and kill nearly 3,000 people if you don’t want to be “chosen” as the enemy…Ridiculous. [/quote]

Damn straight. Those silly Iraqis flying planes into buildings. What were they thinking?[/quote]

Hmmmm, I don’t remember typing Iraqis. Maybe I did, nope I didn’t. [/quote]

I meant Afghans. My mistake.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Don’t fly a plane into a building and kill nearly 3,000 people if you don’t want to be “chosen” as the enemy…Ridiculous. [/quote]

Damn straight. Those silly Iraqis flying planes into buildings. What were they thinking?[/quote]

Hmmmm, I don’t remember typing Iraqis. Maybe I did, nope I didn’t. [/quote]

I meant Afghans. My mistake. [/quote]

Not a big deal.

For the record “Murder” is unacceptable in a warzone and those that do murder (service members included) should be dealt with both switly and with extreme prejudice.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’m suprised no one is questioning zecarlo use of the term “Murder.”

Interesting…[/quote]

Well, murder is a legal term. War is a legal term. If a war has been legally declared by the legislature, as provided by the Constitution, then killing a uniformed enemy combatant engaged in active hostilities is not, by definition, murder.

Surely all homocides perpetrated in the present hostilities satisfy the legal requirements not to be considered murder.

Right?

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’m suprised no one is questioning zecarlo use of the term “Murder.”

Interesting…[/quote]

Well, murder is a legal term. War is a legal term. If a war has been legally declared by the legislature, as provided by the Constitution, then killing a uniformed enemy combatant engaged in active hostilities is not, by definition, murder.

Surely all homocides perpetrated in the present hostilities satisfy the legal requirements not to be considered murder.

Right?[/quote]

No they don’t and I didn’t say they did.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I’m suprised no one is questioning zecarlo use of the term “Murder.”

Interesting…[/quote]

I give him credit for admitting it.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Don’t fly a plane into a building and kill nearly 3,000 people if you don’t want to be “chosen” as the enemy…Ridiculous. [/quote]

Damn straight. Those silly Iraqis flying planes into buildings. What were they thinking?[/quote]

Hmmmm, I don’t remember typing Iraqis. Maybe I did, nope I didn’t. [/quote]

I meant Afghans. My mistake. [/quote]

Not a big deal.

For the record “Murder” is unacceptable in a warzone and those that do murder (service members included) should be dealt with both switly and with extreme prejudice. [/quote]

You missed it twice.

No Afghans or Iraqis on any of those flights. There were, however, Egyptians, Saudis, Emiratis, and Lebanese.

Define murder.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

I don’t think its about survival, its about way of life. You always have the option to surrender in war and it does not imply death.

[/quote]

Not to get into semantically argument, it depends on what you consider survival. Prisoner camps, re-education camps, living as a subject… None of that will be considered “survival” in a true sense to those who have been free and have a will to live.

You know the whole “live free or die”, “I’d rather die on my feet than live on me knees” point of view.

I don’t think we disagree with the overall point here, and I’d rather not get into a back and forth about what is or isn’t survival for these purposes. [/quote]

So your okay with killing people who are not a direct threat to your life as long as it improves your life and means you are more free?

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Don’t fly a plane into a building and kill nearly 3,000 people if you don’t want to be “chosen” as the enemy…Ridiculous. [/quote]

Damn straight. Those silly Iraqis flying planes into buildings. What were they thinking?[/quote]

Hmmmm, I don’t remember typing Iraqis. Maybe I did, nope I didn’t. [/quote]

I meant Afghans. My mistake. [/quote]

Not a big deal.

For the record “Murder” is unacceptable in a warzone and those that do murder (service members included) should be dealt with both switly and with extreme prejudice. [/quote]

You missed it twice.

No Afghans or Iraqis on any of those flights. There were, however, Egyptians, Saudis, Emiratis, and Lebanese.

Define murder.
[/quote]

Murder, is the unlaw taking of a life. Al Qeada was behind 9/11, their base of operations was/is in Afghanistan. Who was on the plane is not relevant. Who perpetuate the attacks is.

Yes, I missed yoour point probably because I never mentioned a specific state. I was referencing/think about Al Qaeda, which is obviously multinational

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Don’t fly a plane into a building and kill nearly 3,000 people if you don’t want to be “chosen” as the enemy…Ridiculous. [/quote]

Damn straight. Those silly Iraqis flying planes into buildings. What were they thinking?[/quote]

Hmmmm, I don’t remember typing Iraqis. Maybe I did, nope I didn’t. [/quote]

I meant Afghans. My mistake. [/quote]

Not a big deal.

For the record “Murder” is unacceptable in a warzone and those that do murder (service members included) should be dealt with both switly and with extreme prejudice. [/quote]

You missed it twice.

No Afghans or Iraqis on any of those flights. There were, however, Egyptians, Saudis, Emiratis, and Lebanese.

Define murder.
[/quote]

Murder, is the unlaw taking of a life. Al Qeada was behind 9/11, their base of operations was/is in Afghanistan. Who was on the plane is not relevant. Who perpetuate the attacks is.

Yes, I missed yoour point probably because I never mentioned a specific state. I was referencing/think about Al Qaeda, which is obviously multinational[/quote]

The unlawful taking of a life.

So if the ones taking the lives define what is lawful, then they may merrily take as many lives as they want without being guilty of murder.

Is an armed invasion of a sovereign nation “lawful”?

If a group of Tibetan-Americans based in New York flew a plane into a building in Shanghai, killing 3000 people, would it be “lawful” for the Chinese to bomb and occupy Manhattan? Should killing the New Yorkers who plant IEDs to destroy Chinese troop carriers be considered “lawful”?