[quote]pat wrote:
Now provide a single shred of evidence that the unborn is anything but a human being.[/quote]
Look up the reasons why abortion is legal and you’ll have a list.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
What I’m saying is that the anti-abortion argument is flawed. [/quote]
Only to people without logic, morals or rational thought.
Mental and moral contortionists may see it as flawed, but that doesn’t mean it is. [/quote]
Correct. It is immoral and irrational and you have to be both to support abortion. I am not going to mince words about being well meaning and all that other bullshit. If you support abortion which is the willful termination of human life you are morally depraved.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
The whole “zygote isn’t a person” whining is mostly poinless anyway:
In 2009, most (64.0%) abortions were performed at â?¤8 weeks’ gestation, and 91.7% were performed at â?¤13 weeks’ gestation.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6108a1.htm
eh, 13 weeks huh?[/quote]
What is that? Looks kinda like an Elephant.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
DAT AD HOM!
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You started that.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
The law does not read that way. It does not state a black and/or slave is 3/5ths of a person. That doesn’t even make sense. How is something 3/5ths of a human?
A visiting free white foreigner would have been counted as zero. Does that mean he was not considered a person? [/quote]
Was the law right when it counted human beings as only 3/5’s of a person? You shooting yourself in the foot with this garbage. You are lending an example where the law was wrong, then using the law to justify your position.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
The whole “zygote isn’t a person” whining is mostly poinless anyway:
In 2009, most (64.0%) abortions were performed at Ã?¢?Ã?¤8 weeks’ gestation, and 91.7% were performed at Ã?¢?Ã?¤13 weeks’ gestation.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6108a1.htm
eh, 13 weeks huh?[/quote]
What is that? Looks kinda like an Elephant. [/quote]
Or a monkey.
[quote]pat wrote:
Was the law right when it counted human beings as only 3/5’s of a person? .[/quote]
It never did that. How could someone be partially human?
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
DAT AD HOM!
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You started that.
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Please quote where I called you a douche or kindly refrain from pee herman/pitttttbull-esk “in know you are but what am I” arguments.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
The whole “zygote isn’t a person” whining is mostly poinless anyway:
In 2009, most (64.0%) abortions were performed at Ã??Ã?¢?Ã??Ã?¤8 weeks’ gestation, and 91.7% were performed at Ã??Ã?¢?Ã??Ã?¤13 weeks’ gestation.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6108a1.htm
eh, 13 weeks huh?[/quote]
What is that? Looks kinda like an Elephant. [/quote]
Or a monkey.[/quote]
Well, according to the promurder camp it is ANYTHING but a person.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Was the law right when it counted human beings as only 3/5’s of a person? .[/quote]
It never did that. How could someone be partially human? [/quote]
You’re using the law to justify your position by backing it up against another morally depraved law that was over turned and now seen as depravity. The law is not always right.
And why do you only quote part of a post? Oh, because you don’t have answers.
Where is your proof that a human being in the zygote stage is not a human being? I want scientific proof. I provided mine and I can provide tons more. You have provided no proof to support your position, whatsoever. So where is your proof?
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Was the law right when it counted human beings as only 3/5’s of a person? .[/quote]
It never did that. How could someone be partially human? [/quote]
Partially a “person”
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
You were in the military; how did/would you?
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So a zygote/fetus is the same as an enemy combatant now…?
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If you are talking specifically about abortion then “how do you” should be changed to “how does one.” The answer would be making a distinction between human organism and human being. A person is a human organism but a human organism is not necessarily a person. [/quote]
Thanks for the English lesson.
When does a human organism magically become a human person?[/quote]
When the law says it does. [/quote]
So the law is the dictate of reality? So when the law said a slave was 3/5’s of a person it was right because it was the law?
Please justify that, with proof.
[quote]pat wrote:
So where is your proof?[/quote]
His proof is the dictionary LMAO.
He’ll be along to call you a douche because you have a valid point any time now.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
The whole “zygote isn’t a person” whining is mostly poinless anyway:
In 2009, most (64.0%) abortions were performed at Ã??Ã?¢?Ã??Ã?¤8 weeks’ gestation, and 91.7% were performed at Ã??Ã?¢?Ã??Ã?¤13 weeks’ gestation.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6108a1.htm
eh, 13 weeks huh?[/quote]
What is that? Looks kinda like an Elephant. [/quote]
Or a monkey.[/quote]
I didn’t know Monkeys showed up on human sonograms.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Now provide a single shred of evidence that the unborn is anything but a human being.[/quote]
Look up the reasons why abortion is legal and you’ll have a list. [/quote]
Provide a single shred of proof that the unborn is not a human being. Where is your proof? Where is your evidence?
Can’t find any? Because there is not any.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Now provide a single shred of evidence that the unborn is anything but a human being.[/quote]
Look up the reasons why abortion is legal and you’ll have a list. [/quote]
Provide a single shred of proof that the unborn is not a human being. Where is your proof? Where is your evidence?
Can’t find any? Because there is not any.[/quote]
If it were as you say then abortion would be illegal.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
If you actually believe it is murder and you should stop it then why aren’t you in prison for trying to stop it? If I saw a child in danger I would do whatever I could to save it. Are you kidnapping pregnant women outside of abortion clinics and holding them captive until they give birth? So you have your own hypocrisy that prevents you from taking that ultimate step. What are you afraid of? [/quote]
Come on zecarlo, I don’t park my car in downtown Baltimore City just waiting for some thug to brandish a 9mm so I can stop a murder from happening. Even if I did, it would be pretty hard to stop the approx 40 murders a day in America… So why oh why does someone anti-abortion have to abduct (a crime) a pregnant woman and force them to give birth, otherwise they are a hypocrite?[/quote]
How am I a hypocrite for not believing we should legislate based on religion? By me saying a woman should have a choice I am guilty because I am doing nothing to stop abortion. Pat, by not physically stopping what he believes to be murder is no different. He may go further by using his vote to stop abortion but he could go further and chooses not to. [/quote]
I didn’t call you a hypocrite.
It’s absurd to call someone a hypocrite because they aren’t going to the extreme for something they disagree with.
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Pat did. The way I look at it, if someone is going to throw out the word hypocrite when talking about abortion, then it has to be an all or nothing stance. You either go the extreme or you are a hypocrite. Pat cannot take a limited approach to stopping abortion then call someone else who does the same thing a hypocrite. [/quote]
Again, I’m not calling you a hypocrite, but…
You say you are against abortion in one breath, but okay with it in the next.
Pat says he’s against abortion and (according to him) he does everything legally within his power to end abortion.
That’s all I’m saying.
For the record I understand your argument. The issue is we aren’t talking about, I don’t know, pancakes here. “I don’t persoanlly like pancakes, but I would never force others to not eat pancakes if they want them.” We are talking about a third life being ended here. Again, I get it. There is a fundamental question that isn’t agreed upond. When is it a human life/person? We obviously (and Pat) disagree here.
I’m also not getting on your case. You seem like a level headed poster. [/quote]
Where did I say I was OK with it? Look, one person is against it and believes they shoulf force to stop it. Another believes their vote or other legal avenues are as far as they should go. I believe that legislation is too far. If the real issue is preventing abortions then IMO legislation won’t really do much in that regard.
Also, where did I disagree that a zygote or fetus is a human being/person? I simply pointed out that there is a legal and dictionary definition of what a person is and it does not and cannot apply to a zygote. Take 5 pictures: a girl, a boy, a man, a woman and a zygote. Show them to most people and ask them to pick the one that isn’t a person and see which one gets picked. What makes a person a person? How many of those criteria are demonstrated by a zygote? Human life does not equal human being/person. Again, I’m not saying that a zygote is not a human being or that I am in favor of abortion. What I’m saying is that the anti-abortion argument is flawed. [/quote]
You do know that a zygote is a stage of human development? Rabbits have a zygote stage. When the fetal rabbit is a zygote is cannot either be a rabbit or a human being. One is a rabbit on is a human being.
I want a list of human organisms that are human organisms and not human beings…
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Now provide a single shred of evidence that the unborn is anything but a human being.[/quote]
Look up the reasons why abortion is legal and you’ll have a list. [/quote]
Provide a single shred of proof that the unborn is not a human being. Where is your proof? Where is your evidence?
Can’t find any? Because there is not any.[/quote]
If it were as you say then abortion would be illegal.[/quote]
It will be, it’s only a matter of time.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Now provide a single shred of evidence that the unborn is anything but a human being.[/quote]
Look up the reasons why abortion is legal and you’ll have a list. [/quote]
Provide a single shred of proof that the unborn is not a human being. Where is your proof? Where is your evidence?
Can’t find any? Because there is not any.[/quote]
If it were as you say then abortion would be illegal.[/quote]
Abortion is legal because of semantics not science.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
Now provide a single shred of evidence that the unborn is anything but a human being.[/quote]
Look up the reasons why abortion is legal and you’ll have a list. [/quote]
Provide a single shred of proof that the unborn is not a human being. Where is your proof? Where is your evidence?
Can’t find any? Because there is not any.[/quote]
If it were as you say then abortion would be illegal.[/quote]
It will be, it’s only a matter of time.[/quote]
I hope so as long as it’s for the right reasons.