[quote]zecarlo wrote:
An embryo is not a human. A zygote is not a human. [/quote]
Substantiate this please. So far Pat is the only one who has backed up their position in this thread, and he has done it a couple times. [/quote]
What makes a human, a human? From a biological standpoint how is a zygote a human or a person? Can it do what people do? What biological functions can it perform? Define what a person is and see if a zygote can meet that criteria.
From a conceptual standpoint what can a zygote do that a person can do? Can it think? Is it self-aware? Does it have emotions? [/quote]
You said:
A zygote is not a human
I asked:
Substantiate that claim please
You:
Apparently can’t
SOund about right? [/quote]
The thing is, I don’t need to substantiate it. It’s up to anti-abortionists to prove otherwise. [/quote]
Like it was up to the anti-slavery crowd to prove slaves are people?
The thing is, I don’t need to substantiate it. It’s up to anti-abortionists to prove otherwise. [/quote]
How do you figure? I am not the one making contrary claims. Can you find one person with any sort of authoritative background in this area that agrees with you?
Even Pitt can acknowledge that a zygote is human. Even Pitt admits it is just a stage of development.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
An embryo is not a human. A zygote is not a human. [/quote]
Substantiate this please. So far Pat is the only one who has backed up their position in this thread, and he has done it a couple times. [/quote]
What makes a human, a human? From a biological standpoint how is a zygote a human or a person? Can it do what people do? What biological functions can it perform? Define what a person is and see if a zygote can meet that criteria.
From a conceptual standpoint what can a zygote do that a person can do? Can it think? Is it self-aware? Does it have emotions? [/quote]
You said:
A zygote is not a human
I asked:
Substantiate that claim please
You:
Apparently can’t
SOund about right? [/quote]
The thing is, I don’t need to substantiate it. It’s up to anti-abortionists to prove otherwise. [/quote]
Like it was up to the anti-slavery crowd to prove slaves are people?[/quote]
Bingo!
Ze, you would have fit right in with the democrats in 1860 just like 1960, and 2013…
A sperm is also a beginning stage in human life. Life does not begin at conception as both the sperm and egg are already alive. So when does human life really begin? When does being a person begin?
A hole in the ground is the start of a foundation but it isn’t a house.
I didn’t make the claim, the dictionary and the law did. According to the law a zygote is not a person. It may be a human organism but that doesn’t mean it’s a person. [/quote]
lol, according to the law, prior to the 1960’s black people had to drink from different fountains.
Get the fuck out of here with the ridiculous nonsense. You are much, much more intelligent than this.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
A sperm is also a beginning stage in human life. Life does not begin at conception as both the sperm and egg are already alive. So when does human life really begin? When does being a person begin?
A hole in the ground is the start of a foundation but it isn’t a house. [/quote]
sigh…
The unique and individual life of another human begins at conception…
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
From a conceptual standpoint what can a zygote do that a person can do? Can it think? Is it self-aware? Does it have emotions? [/quote]
Can a 35 year old left comatose due to a car accident do these things? [/quote]
He did at one point unlike a zygote. [/quote]
So what? I thought a person was defined by their actions & abilities?
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
A sperm is also a beginning stage in human life. Life does not begin at conception as both the sperm and egg are already alive. So when does human life really begin? When does being a person begin?
A hole in the ground is the start of a foundation but it isn’t a house. [/quote]
I beg to differ. A foundation is not a hole in the ground. A foundation is mixing together, aggregate and cement to form concrete. An Egg and Sperm is just half a person. It becomes a person when combined.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
A sperm is also a beginning stage in human life. Life does not begin at conception as both the sperm and egg are already alive. So when does human life really begin? When does being a person begin?
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A sperm is a cell, produced by a man, with the express function of fertilizing an egg to create a new person. It is not a unique entity in and of itself any more than a finger nail is.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
An embryo is not a human. A zygote is not a human. [/quote]
Substantiate this please. So far Pat is the only one who has backed up their position in this thread, and he has done it a couple times. [/quote]
What makes a human, a human? From a biological standpoint how is a zygote a human or a person? Can it do what people do? What biological functions can it perform? Define what a person is and see if a zygote can meet that criteria.
From a conceptual standpoint what can a zygote do that a person can do? Can it think? Is it self-aware? Does it have emotions? [/quote]
You said:
A zygote is not a human
I asked:
Substantiate that claim please
You:
Apparently can’t
SOund about right? [/quote]
The thing is, I don’t need to substantiate it. It’s up to anti-abortionists to prove otherwise. [/quote]
Like it was up to the anti-slavery crowd to prove slaves are people?[/quote]
This is an attempt at being clever but the truth is that yes, the abolitionists had to prove that slavery was wrong because slavery was legal. Abortion is legal and zygotes are not considered persons so it is up to the anti-abortionists to prove otherwise. Besides, I don’t think blacks being human was what was debated. If slave owners didn’t think they were humans then it makes all of the sex they were having with their slaves take on a whole new level of freaky.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
A sperm is also a beginning stage in human life. Life does not begin at conception as both the sperm and egg are already alive. So when does human life really begin? When does being a person begin?
A hole in the ground is the start of a foundation but it isn’t a house. [/quote]
I beg to differ. A foundation is not a hole in the ground. A foundation is mixing together, aggregate and cement to form concrete. An Egg and Sperm is just half a person. It becomes a person when combined.[/quote]
Note, I wrote the START of a foundation.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
From a conceptual standpoint what can a zygote do that a person can do? Can it think? Is it self-aware? Does it have emotions? [/quote]
Can a 35 year old left comatose due to a car accident do these things? [/quote]
He did at one point unlike a zygote. [/quote]
So what? I thought a person was defined by their actions & abilities?[/quote]
What a person is, is defined by what persons are capable of. The problem is that you are trying to take away an established person’s personhood when we are talking about whether or not a zygote is a person.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
This is an attempt at being clever but the truth is that yes, the abolitionists had to prove that slavery was wrong because slavery was legal. [/quote]
No offense, but it’s down right scary that you believe this and you aren’t the only one either. The law is always right unless proven otherwise? Down right scary.
If human mother = mother hen, and
If human baby = baby chick, then
Unborn baby = unhatched chick, and
Zygote = newly fertilized egg, and
Unfertilized ovum = unfertilized egg.
I seem to recall an old saying to the effect of “don’t count your chickens before they’re hatched,” but that probably doesn’t apply here.
This is an attempt at being clever but the truth is that yes, the abolitionists had to prove that slavery was wrong because slavery was legal. Abortion is legal and zygotes are not considered persons so it is up to the anti-abortionists to prove otherwise.
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LMAO!
So, get this, if it were still legal, that Zecarlo is totally cool with slavery.
too funning the mental gymnastics in here to rationalize immoral behavior. Humans are funny things.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
A sperm is also a beginning stage in human life. Life does not begin at conception as both the sperm and egg are already alive. So when does human life really begin? When does being a person begin?
A hole in the ground is the start of a foundation but it isn’t a house. [/quote]
sigh…
The unique and individual life of another human begins at conception…
jesus h.[/quote]
All life starts somewhere but when does personhood start? Human life does not mean a human being and/or person.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
From a conceptual standpoint what can a zygote do that a person can do? Can it think? Is it self-aware? Does it have emotions? [/quote]
Can a 35 year old left comatose due to a car accident do these things? [/quote]
He did at one point unlike a zygote. [/quote]
So what? I thought a person was defined by their actions & abilities?[/quote]
What a person is, is defined by what persons are capable of. The problem is that you are trying to take away an established person’s personhood when we are talking about whether or not a zygote is a person. [/quote]
A zygote, left alone, is capable of become a 35 year old that ends up in a comatose state.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
If human mother = mother hen, and
If human baby = baby chick, then
Unborn baby = unhatched chick, and
Zygote = newly fertilized egg, and
Unfertilized ovum = unfertilized egg.
I seem to recall an old saying to the effect of “don’t count your chickens before they’re hatched,” but that probably doesn’t apply here.
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Wouldn’t a zygote technically be a hatched egg? Or by hatched are we talking birth?
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
This is an attempt at being clever but the truth is that yes, the abolitionists had to prove that slavery was wrong because slavery was legal. [/quote]
No offense, but it’s down right scary that you believe this and you aren’t the only one either. The law is always right unless proven otherwise? Down right scary.
Totally okay, it was the law, right?
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Why read what isn’t there? Did I say it was right? This is what I meant as an attempt at being clever. It’s obvious you wanted me to fall into some “trap” to show that I agree with slavery or something. I simply stated that if you want the law changed then the burden of proof falls upon you whether you are right or wrong.