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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]cryogen wrote:
The employer should have no right to dictate their fanciful idiocy of their imaginary friends onto the actions or lives of anyone else. [/quote]

Lol, translation:

I don’t believe something so it must not be true; therefore, no one else can believe said thing or live their life in accordance with said thing.

You are free to do what you want as long as it is in line with my views. The definition of European freedom right there.

You want to offer free birth control to your employees, here ya go:

[/quote]

The freedom line is a funny one. For the rest of the world knows that this was the fundamental driving force for the creation of the settlements in the Americas; the freedom to persecute others based on the religious beliefs of those doing the settling.

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[quote]cryogen wrote:
Yes, your arguments are complete bullshit.
[/quote]
You don’t agree with me so it’s bullshit, lol.

According to who, you? The employer can subsidize whatever coverage they want. It is an expensive part of the overall benefits package the employer offers and if the employee doesn’t like their benefits they are free to go else where.

The employer doesn’t have to provide anything and the employee doesn’t have to accept anything.

Again, if you’d like to provide free birth control setting up an LLC is pretty simple. Go for.

[quote]
I’ve been there, and while there are definitely great people spread throughout the USA, there is something fundamentally diseased about your country as a whole.[/quote]

You could argue there is something fundamentally wrong with every country on this planet.

Where are you from?

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[quote]cryogen wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Making abortion illegal won’t stop abortion from happening. [/quote]

Making the killing of another person murder hasn’t stopped that either. [/quote]

Yeah, I wrote the hastily. I should expand.

Whether something is illegal or not has little to no impact on someone’s decision to do something that has no impact on anyone else but themselves. By making it illegal, you force these people to search out for backyard doctors, fall down stairs, have boyfriends punch them in the stomach, essentially risk their life, to get what they want.

[/quote]

In all seriousness why does that matter? People go outside the law all the time, I don’t think that simple fact should be considered when creating laws.

I also tend to disagree. I want a Camaro SS, but I can’t afford one. Grand theft auto is still illegal, as far as I know, so I don’t have one.

I also think if a woman was charged with murder for using a coat hanger as an abortion tool less women would do it. Same goes for men and stairs and punching.

[/quote]

Of course it should be considered. There’s no point to considering what behaviours a law should govern if you’re not going to consider enforcement.
Laws simply express the societal standards of behaviour of the time. Things shouldn’t be a criminal offence if a significant portion of the populace carries out those behaviours with no impingement of the freedoms of others.[/quote]

A very small percentage of the population committs acts that are by definition murder, so we don’t need that law?

You make abortion illegal and then if someone is caught with a coat hanger in their snatch you put them in jail. There is no enforcement issue.

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[quote]cryogen wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]cryogen wrote:
The employer should have no right to dictate their fanciful idiocy of their imaginary friends onto the actions or lives of anyone else. [/quote]

Lol, translation:

I don’t believe something so it must not be true; therefore, no one else can believe said thing or live their life in accordance with said thing.

You are free to do what you want as long as it is in line with my views. The definition of European freedom right there.

You want to offer free birth control to your employees, here ya go:

[/quote]

The freedom line is a funny one. For the rest of the world knows that this was the fundamental driving force for the creation of the settlements in the Americas; the freedom to persecute others based on the religious beliefs of those doing the settling.[/quote]

Forcing religious employers to pay for birth control is religious persecution.

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[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Making abortion illegal won’t stop abortion from happening. [/quote]

Making the killing of another person murder hasn’t stopped that either. [/quote]

Yeah, I wrote the hastily. I should expand.

Whether something is illegal or not has little to no impact on someone’s decision to do something that has no impact on anyone else but themselves. By making it illegal, you force these people to search out for backyard doctors, fall down stairs, have boyfriends punch them in the stomach, essentially risk their life, to get what they want.

[/quote]

In all seriousness why does that matter? People go outside the law all the time, I don’t think that simple fact should be considered when creating laws.

I also tend to disagree. I want a Camaro SS, but I can’t afford one. Grand theft auto is still illegal, as far as I know, so I don’t have one.

I also think if a woman was charged with murder for using a coat hanger as an abortion tool less women would do it. Same goes for men and stairs and punching.

[/quote]

Your line of reasoning doesn’t fit since your scenario of stealing a car harms someone else.

In this scenario, if someone fundamentally believes that they own their embryo/fetus/whatever you want to refer to it as, and it’s their body, a law will have little to no impact on how they treat themselves.

How would anyone even know that the woman had an abortion? How would you enforce such a law? Who would turn the person in?

If abortion is illegal, maybe masturbation should be illegal? What about visectomies? How about tubal ligations? Birth control?

Laws shold not invade on individual rights which have no impact or is no business to anyone outside of oneself.[/quote]

Abortion harms someone else. Not only does it harm them, it kills them.

None of these:
masturbation
visectomies
tubal ligations
Birth control

Hurts anyone else.

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Abortion impact at least 2 people.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Birth control

[/quote]

Dont mean to stick my nose in this topic, but there are some forms of Birth Control, the pill to be exact, that allow the egg to be fertilized and then not allowed to implant. So in a way it is a form of abortion. This type of pill is rare. Most do not allow the egg to mature and come out of the ovaries.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

Correction: a fact that am stating to illustrate the futility of arguing back and forth whether or not a zygote is a “person” or a “child” when, in the time it took the Pitt ‘n’ Pat comedy duo to say “is not!” “is too!” “nuh uh!” “your stoopid!” a half dozen times, tens of thousands of real, live, sentient, breathing air babies and children had died painfully of starvation, and yet I don’t see anybody starting up multiple threads decrying the outrage of this. Please, if you would be so kind, remind me of all the threads started by any of the prominent antiabortion advocates on this forum which denounce childhood starvation in Asia and Africa with the same vehemence [/quote]
My position precisely.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

Correction: a fact that am stating to illustrate the futility of arguing back and forth whether or not a zygote is a “person” or a “child” when, in the time it took the Pitt ‘n’ Pat comedy duo to say “is not!” “is too!” “nuh uh!” “your stoopid!” a half dozen times, tens of thousands of real, live, sentient, breathing air babies and children had died painfully of starvation, and yet I don’t see anybody starting up multiple threads decrying the outrage of this. Please, if you would be so kind, remind me of all the threads started by any of the prominent antiabortion advocates on this forum which denounce childhood starvation in Asia and Africa with the same vehemence [/quote]

Papa Francis, is that you?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]cryogen wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]cryogen wrote:
The employer should have no right to dictate their fanciful idiocy of their imaginary friends onto the actions or lives of anyone else. [/quote]

Lol, translation:

I don’t believe something so it must not be true; therefore, no one else can believe said thing or live their life in accordance with said thing.

You are free to do what you want as long as it is in line with my views. The definition of European freedom right there.

You want to offer free birth control to your employees, here ya go:

[/quote]

The freedom line is a funny one. For the rest of the world knows that this was the fundamental driving force for the creation of the settlements in the Americas; the freedom to persecute others based on the religious beliefs of those doing the settling.[/quote]

Forcing religious employers to pay for birth control is religious persecution. [/quote]

Not even close, Employers forcing their own religious idiocy upon their employees is religious persecution, and discrimination.

751

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]cryogen wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Making abortion illegal won’t stop abortion from happening. [/quote]

Making the killing of another person murder hasn’t stopped that either. [/quote]

Yeah, I wrote the hastily. I should expand.

Whether something is illegal or not has little to no impact on someone’s decision to do something that has no impact on anyone else but themselves. By making it illegal, you force these people to search out for backyard doctors, fall down stairs, have boyfriends punch them in the stomach, essentially risk their life, to get what they want.

[/quote]

In all seriousness why does that matter? People go outside the law all the time, I don’t think that simple fact should be considered when creating laws.

I also tend to disagree. I want a Camaro SS, but I can’t afford one. Grand theft auto is still illegal, as far as I know, so I don’t have one.

I also think if a woman was charged with murder for using a coat hanger as an abortion tool less women would do it. Same goes for men and stairs and punching.

[/quote]

Of course it should be considered. There’s no point to considering what behaviours a law should govern if you’re not going to consider enforcement.
Laws simply express the societal standards of behaviour of the time. Things shouldn’t be a criminal offence if a significant portion of the populace carries out those behaviours with no impingement of the freedoms of others.[/quote]

A very small percentage of the population committs acts that are by definition murder, so we don’t need that law?

You make abortion illegal and then if someone is caught with a coat hanger in their snatch you put them in jail. There is no enforcement issue. [/quote]

No, murder is committed by a small proportion of the population, it harms others, and therefore should be legislated.

Try to keep up fortnight.

752

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]cryogen wrote:
Yes, your arguments are complete bullshit.
[/quote]
You don’t agree with me so it’s bullshit, lol.

According to who, you? The employer can subsidize whatever coverage they want. It is an expensive part of the overall benefits package the employer offers and if the employee doesn’t like their benefits they are free to go else where.

The employer doesn’t have to provide anything and the employee doesn’t have to accept anything.

Again, if you’d like to provide free birth control setting up an LLC is pretty simple. Go for.

[quote]
I’ve been there, and while there are definitely great people spread throughout the USA, there is something fundamentally diseased about your country as a whole.[/quote]

You could argue there is something fundamentally wrong with every country on this planet.

Where are you from?[/quote]

No, your argument is bullshit, and therefore I am pointing out why you’re a fucktard.

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[quote]cryogen wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]cryogen wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Making abortion illegal won’t stop abortion from happening. [/quote]

Making the killing of another person murder hasn’t stopped that either. [/quote]

Yeah, I wrote the hastily. I should expand.

Whether something is illegal or not has little to no impact on someone’s decision to do something that has no impact on anyone else but themselves. By making it illegal, you force these people to search out for backyard doctors, fall down stairs, have boyfriends punch them in the stomach, essentially risk their life, to get what they want.

[/quote]

In all seriousness why does that matter? People go outside the law all the time, I don’t think that simple fact should be considered when creating laws.

I also tend to disagree. I want a Camaro SS, but I can’t afford one. Grand theft auto is still illegal, as far as I know, so I don’t have one.

I also think if a woman was charged with murder for using a coat hanger as an abortion tool less women would do it. Same goes for men and stairs and punching.

[/quote]

Of course it should be considered. There’s no point to considering what behaviours a law should govern if you’re not going to consider enforcement.
Laws simply express the societal standards of behaviour of the time. Things shouldn’t be a criminal offence if a significant portion of the populace carries out those behaviours with no impingement of the freedoms of others.[/quote]

A very small percentage of the population committs acts that are by definition murder, so we don’t need that law?

You make abortion illegal and then if someone is caught with a coat hanger in their snatch you put them in jail. There is no enforcement issue. [/quote]

No, murder is committed by a small proportion of the population, it harms others, and therefore should be legislated.

Try to keep up fortnight.[/quote]
As does abortion.

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[quote]cryogen wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]cryogen wrote:
Yes, your arguments are complete bullshit.
[/quote]
You don’t agree with me so it’s bullshit, lol.

According to who, you? The employer can subsidize whatever coverage they want. It is an expensive part of the overall benefits package the employer offers and if the employee doesn’t like their benefits they are free to go else where.

The employer doesn’t have to provide anything and the employee doesn’t have to accept anything.

Again, if you’d like to provide free birth control setting up an LLC is pretty simple. Go for.

[quote]
I’ve been there, and while there are definitely great people spread throughout the USA, there is something fundamentally diseased about your country as a whole.[/quote]

You could argue there is something fundamentally wrong with every country on this planet.

Where are you from?[/quote]

No, your argument is bullshit, and therefore I am pointing out why you’re a fucktard.[/quote]
An overused childish insult, classy.

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[quote]cryogen wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]cryogen wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]cryogen wrote:
The employer should have no right to dictate their fanciful idiocy of their imaginary friends onto the actions or lives of anyone else. [/quote]

Lol, translation:

I don’t believe something so it must not be true; therefore, no one else can believe said thing or live their life in accordance with said thing.

You are free to do what you want as long as it is in line with my views. The definition of European freedom right there.

You want to offer free birth control to your employees, here ya go:

[/quote]

The freedom line is a funny one. For the rest of the world knows that this was the fundamental driving force for the creation of the settlements in the Americas; the freedom to persecute others based on the religious beliefs of those doing the settling.[/quote]

Forcing religious employers to pay for birth control is religious persecution. [/quote]

Not even close, Employers forcing their own religious idiocy upon their employees is religious persecution, and discrimination.
[/quote]

You can say this a million more times and it still won’t be true.

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Hmm not seeing health insurance or birth control…

757

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]cryogen wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]cryogen wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Making abortion illegal won’t stop abortion from happening. [/quote]

Making the killing of another person murder hasn’t stopped that either. [/quote]

Yeah, I wrote the hastily. I should expand.

Whether something is illegal or not has little to no impact on someone’s decision to do something that has no impact on anyone else but themselves. By making it illegal, you force these people to search out for backyard doctors, fall down stairs, have boyfriends punch them in the stomach, essentially risk their life, to get what they want.

[/quote]

In all seriousness why does that matter? People go outside the law all the time, I don’t think that simple fact should be considered when creating laws.

I also tend to disagree. I want a Camaro SS, but I can’t afford one. Grand theft auto is still illegal, as far as I know, so I don’t have one.

I also think if a woman was charged with murder for using a coat hanger as an abortion tool less women would do it. Same goes for men and stairs and punching.

[/quote]

Of course it should be considered. There’s no point to considering what behaviours a law should govern if you’re not going to consider enforcement.
Laws simply express the societal standards of behaviour of the time. Things shouldn’t be a criminal offence if a significant portion of the populace carries out those behaviours with no impingement of the freedoms of others.[/quote]

A very small percentage of the population committs acts that are by definition murder, so we don’t need that law?

You make abortion illegal and then if someone is caught with a coat hanger in their snatch you put them in jail. There is no enforcement issue. [/quote]

No, murder is committed by a small proportion of the population, it harms others, and therefore should be legislated.

Try to keep up fortnight.[/quote]
As does abortion.[/quote]
No, abortion hurts only the individual undertaking the procedure - the mother. The embryo is NOT a person, nor an independently living being.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]cryogen wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]cryogen wrote:
Yes, your arguments are complete bullshit.
[/quote]
You don’t agree with me so it’s bullshit, lol.

According to who, you? The employer can subsidize whatever coverage they want. It is an expensive part of the overall benefits package the employer offers and if the employee doesn’t like their benefits they are free to go else where.

The employer doesn’t have to provide anything and the employee doesn’t have to accept anything.

Again, if you’d like to provide free birth control setting up an LLC is pretty simple. Go for.

[quote]
I’ve been there, and while there are definitely great people spread throughout the USA, there is something fundamentally diseased about your country as a whole.[/quote]

You could argue there is something fundamentally wrong with every country on this planet.

Where are you from?[/quote]

No, your argument is bullshit, and therefore I am pointing out why you’re a fucktard.[/quote]
An overused childish insult, classy. [/quote]

However, despite its overuse, in your case it is clearly the most apt description available in the english language.

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That is absurd. Every fetus has it’s own unique DNA…

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[quote]cryogen wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]cryogen wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]cryogen wrote:
Yes, your arguments are complete bullshit.
[/quote]
You don’t agree with me so it’s bullshit, lol.

According to who, you? The employer can subsidize whatever coverage they want. It is an expensive part of the overall benefits package the employer offers and if the employee doesn’t like their benefits they are free to go else where.

The employer doesn’t have to provide anything and the employee doesn’t have to accept anything.

Again, if you’d like to provide free birth control setting up an LLC is pretty simple. Go for.

[quote]
I’ve been there, and while there are definitely great people spread throughout the USA, there is something fundamentally diseased about your country as a whole.[/quote]

You could argue there is something fundamentally wrong with every country on this planet.

Where are you from?[/quote]

No, your argument is bullshit, and therefore I am pointing out why you’re a fucktard.[/quote]
An overused childish insult, classy. [/quote]

However, despite its overuse, in your case it is clearly the most apt description available in the english language.[/quote]

Translation: I lack the big boy words to defend my position so I use insults an 11 year old would use.