[quote]cryogen wrote:
George Carlin knew what was going on.[/quote]
Did he? Sounds like he avoids the issue just like most liberals. If you talk around it, you don’t have to talk about it.
If life is a carrier of genes à la Dawkins, then sperm could be considered a stage of the circular metamorphosis of gene bearing vessels. The stage that precedes re-scrambling. I’m not going to argue for that, though, just a thought.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
If life is a carrier of genes à la Dawkins, then sperm could be considered a stage of the circular metamorphosis of gene bearing vessels. The stage that precedes re-scrambling. I’m not going to argue for that, though, just a thought.[/quote]
Is it a stage of development of an existing human being? Do we need to be extremely specific complete with scientific lingo, or do we understand what we are talking about? Is the sperm a homosapien?
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
If life is a carrier of genes Ã??Ã? la Dawkins, then sperm could be considered a stage of the circular metamorphosis of gene bearing vessels. The stage that precedes re-scrambling. I’m not going to argue for that, though, just a thought.[/quote]
Is it a stage of development of an existing human being? Do we need to be extremely specific complete with scientific lingo, or do we understand what we are talking about? Is the sperm a homosapien?
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Well not exactly but not entirely either. Words are tricky and that’s what I get from pitt’s writings. I would say it’s the sperm of a homo sapiens and if you follow the flow of genes it’s as essential as the organism itself. But if you look at individuals it’s not an individual human, not even the beginnings of one. It must meet the ovum first.
Remainds me of Winnie the Pooh.
Cottleslon, Cottleston, Cottleston Pie.
A fly can’t bird, but a bird can fly.
Ask me a riddle and I reply:
Cottleston, Cottleston, Cottleston Pie.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
If life is a carrier of genes Ã???Ã???Ã??Ã? la Dawkins, then sperm could be considered a stage of the circular metamorphosis of gene bearing vessels. The stage that precedes re-scrambling. I’m not going to argue for that, though, just a thought.[/quote]
Is it a stage of development of an existing human being? Do we need to be extremely specific complete with scientific lingo, or do we understand what we are talking about? Is the sperm a homosapien?
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Well not exactly but not entirely either. Words are tricky and that’s what I get from pitt’s writings. I would say it’s the sperm of a homo sapiens and if you follow the flow of genes it’s as essential as the organism itself. But if you look at individuals it’s not an individual human, not even the beginnings of one. It must meet the ovum first.
Remainds me of Winnie the Pooh.
Cottleslon, Cottleston, Cottleston Pie.
A fly can’t bird, but a bird can fly.
Ask me a riddle and I reply:
Cottleston, Cottleston, Cottleston Pie.
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And he is attempting to use this word trickery to justify an unjustifiable position. Problem is, nobody is buying it. But that hasn’t deterred him from trying.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
A sperm is not a living human being
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Is it Human ? Does it exist ? if you answer yes to both than it is a human being
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So every living cell which carries my DNA is a human being?
No.
Listen, you’re clinging to a semantic flourish–“human being” is composed of the words “human” and “being,” so something that is both of human origin and exists must be a human being. You can vandalize the language of the phrase all you’d like, but this kind of wordplay is toxic to philosophy. In the philosophical sense, “human being” is being used in the context of this debate interchangeably with “human” and thus with “person.” Would you say that a single living cell scraped off a beaver’s tail is a beaver? Would you say that a dog’s eyeball, gouged free in the middle of a scrap in an alley, is a dog? No, you would not.
For that matter, would you say that a person’s eyeball, gouged free in the middle of a scrap in an alley, is a person? Say I were to come upon such a thing–an eyeball, freshly dislodged, sitting on the concrete. It’s just been ripped out, and many of its cells are consequently still living. Say its owner is nowhere to be found. Say that for some reason I set this thing on fire. Can I be prosecuted for murder? For MASS murder?
I think you have some not-terrible plays here in this thread–for example, attacking teleology–but this is absolutely not one of them.
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He has zero, and I mean zero basis for this position. No integrity, intellectual honesty, nor ability to even debate at this point.
Thank you for the post though. [/quote]
unless you consider a dictionary , intellectual and Honest for a point
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
unless you consider a dictionary , intellectual and Honest for a point
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Come on Pitt, using your definition the Steak and Quinoa I ate last night is a human being. At least some of them have been converted into cells in my body and are thus human.
No you miss my point , that fetus is not a child
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
No you miss my point , that fetus is not a child [/quote]
Fail.
Science disagrees.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
No you miss my point , that fetus is not a child [/quote]
No a sperm is a child. I name all of mine.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
No you miss my point , that fetus is not a child [/quote]
No a sperm is a child. I name all of mine.[/quote]
Your photo album must take up entire rooms of your house then…
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
No you miss my point , that fetus is not a child [/quote]
No a sperm is a child. I name all of mine.[/quote]
Your photo album must take up entire rooms of your house then…[/quote]
When your sperm is as pretty as mine, you make room.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
No you miss my point , that fetus is not a child [/quote]
No a sperm is a child. I name all of mine.[/quote]
Your photo album must take up entire rooms of your house then…[/quote]
When your sperm is as pretty as mine, you make room.[/quote]
we agree 
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
No you miss my point , that fetus is not a child [/quote]
No a sperm is a child. I name all of mine.[/quote]
Your photo album must take up entire rooms of your house then…[/quote]
When your sperm is as pretty as mine, you make room.[/quote]
we agree
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So Pitt you have seen Pat’s sperm? Is there something you are not telling us? lol
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
No you miss my point , that fetus is not a child [/quote]
No a sperm is a child. I name all of mine.[/quote]
Your photo album must take up entire rooms of your house then…[/quote]
When your sperm is as pretty as mine, you make room.[/quote]
we agree
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So Pitt you have seen Pat’s sperm? Is there something you are not telling us? lol
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I think you should ask Pat
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
No you miss my point , that fetus is not a child [/quote]
No a sperm is a child. I name all of mine.[/quote]
Your photo album must take up entire rooms of your house then…[/quote]
When your sperm is as pretty as mine, you make room.[/quote]
we agree
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No, but I do have pretty sperm…
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
No you miss my point , that fetus is not a child [/quote]
No a sperm is a child. I name all of mine.[/quote]
Your photo album must take up entire rooms of your house then…[/quote]
When your sperm is as pretty as mine, you make room.[/quote]
we agree
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So Pitt you have seen Pat’s sperm? Is there something you are not telling us? lol
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I’d have to give him a facial and that just wouldn’t be pretty, but it would be an up close view…
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
No you miss my point , that fetus is not a child [/quote]
No a sperm is a child. I name all of mine.[/quote]
Your photo album must take up entire rooms of your house then…[/quote]
When your sperm is as pretty as mine, you make room.[/quote]
we agree
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So Pitt you have seen Pat’s sperm? Is there something you are not telling us? lol
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I’d have to give him a facial and that just wouldn’t be pretty, but it would be an up close view…[/quote]
you so called conservatives are surprising me . Dmad is constantly inquiring on my sexual orientation and pat has homo erotic fantasies about me . I will tell you both so I no longer tease your dicks . I am straight , sorry guys
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
No you miss my point , that fetus is not a child [/quote]
No a sperm is a child. I name all of mine.[/quote]
Your photo album must take up entire rooms of your house then…[/quote]
When your sperm is as pretty as mine, you make room.[/quote]
we agree
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So Pitt you have seen Pat’s sperm? Is there something you are not telling us? lol
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I’d have to give him a facial and that just wouldn’t be pretty, but it would be an up close view…[/quote]
you so called conservatives are surprising me . Dmad is constantly inquiring on my sexual orientation and pat has homo erotic fantasies about me . I will tell you both so I no longer tease your dicks . I am straight , sorry guys
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Damn…
The only reason your surprised is because of your own bias. “Conservatives” are just people. And we might by some miracle have a sense of humor too.
I am a deadhead for crying out loud, having conservative beliefs are based on reflection, examination of logic and facts. I am against abortion, for instance, because the logic and reason leads me to no other conclusion that a human life, the species of homosapian is created as new, unique and complete human being at the point of conception. There is NO evidence contrary to this. There is no logic that can be derived that would entail the new creature is anything other than a complete, unique, automous homosapien, unique from the host and the donor.
Since that is the case and I believe that killing human beings is morally wrong, I have no choice but to be against abortion. It’s where the evidence leads and that’s what I am going to follow.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
No you miss my point , that fetus is not a child [/quote]
No a sperm is a child. I name all of mine.[/quote]
Your photo album must take up entire rooms of your house then…[/quote]
When your sperm is as pretty as mine, you make room.[/quote]
we agree
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So Pitt you have seen Pat’s sperm? Is there something you are not telling us? lol
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I’d have to give him a facial and that just wouldn’t be pretty, but it would be an up close view…[/quote]
you so called conservatives are surprising me . Dmad is constantly inquiring on my sexual orientation and pat has homo erotic fantasies about me . I will tell you both so I no longer tease your dicks . I am straight , sorry guys
[/quote]
Damn…
The only reason your surprised is because of your own bias. “Conservatives” are just people. And we might by some miracle have a sense of humor too.
I am a deadhead for crying out loud, having conservative beliefs are based on reflection, examination of logic and facts. I am against abortion, for instance, because the logic and reason leads me to no other conclusion that a human life, the species of homosapian is created as new, unique and complete human being at the point of conception. There is NO evidence contrary to this. There is no logic that can be derived that would entail the new creature is anything other than a complete, unique, automous homosapien, unique from the host and the donor.
Since that is the case and I believe that killing human beings is morally wrong, I have no choice but to be against abortion. It’s where the evidence leads and that’s what I am going to follow.[/quote]
I think the definition of conservative is a whole new threads . I will say I think I am more conservative than the majority on this site . Conserving one’s money or environment or assets is what (I) believe conservative is all about . Not whether you choose to do away with some cells that could become a person