Teen Committed Suicide Over 'Sexting'

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I’m with the Professor on this one, sort of. Personality is partially genetic, partially environmental. Children of serial killers are more likely to become violent even if they never met their parents because of the elevated chemical levels in their brain which are genetic (don’t have a citation for this but I am 100% sure it is true)

But on the flip side, serial killers can come from nowhere, just because of abusive childhoods, fucked up school lives, or something else that wasn’t passed down to them.

Everything of who you are is from what is around you though, without the outside, there is no inside. You get everything of who you are from your parents, friends, peers, and so on. The difference between everyone is exactly what we get, not how we interpret it because we interpret it based on what we get. We learned to interpret things based on what we received and we analyzed, saw patterns, and proceeded. That is the only difference between us, our personal experiences.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:

The only reason any of us is an amalgamation of others is that we’re all made from the same stuffs(speaking figuratively, of course). How can you call it fact? It’s impossible to prove something so abstract. It’s philosophy, not science.[/quote]

Psychology isn’t a science? What grade are you in?

[quote]

I’m not talking about completely rejecting the ideas of those around us, I’m talking about them being irrelevant to any given individual’s ideas. We do all have individual thought, and with it we have complete discretion over who were are and what we believe. The way I see it, we all begin tabula rasa, only we are not told how to be, we are merely suggested how to be. The ultimate choice of who you are is yours and yours alone. Of course there is influence, but influence can be ignored or indulged at will.

Some times you believe something because someone told you to, and you agree; some times you believe the opposite because you disagree; and some times you believe something entirely separate and having nothing to do with being for or against, because you’ve created it for yourself(which may indeed be an amalgamation of other ideas, but only in the way all the elements are an amalgamation of subatomic particles). I may just be pieces of everyone I know, but if that’s true the pieces are so ridiculously small and varied that I am able to form them into something regardless of where they came from.[/quote]

http://family.jrank.org/pages/1264/Peer-Influence-Family-Relationships-Peer-Influence.html

Go educate yourself on environmental/peer influence related to child psychology. You seem to be arguing that how you are raised has very little to do with who you are as an adult or the choices you make. That is completely false.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
I’m not saying schizophrenics are faking it, or narcoleptics are just tired, but I’ve seen a lot of ‘depressed’ people that were just indolent bastards with shit lives caused by their own doing, or kids with ADHD that just liked being assholes and doing stupid shit.
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ADHD? Why do you think that’s real? I don’t.

It’s just a way drug companies can make money prescribing un-needed drugs to kids.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
I’m not saying schizophrenics are faking it, or narcoleptics are just tired, but I’ve seen a lot of ‘depressed’ people that were just indolent bastards with shit lives caused by their own doing, or kids with ADHD that just liked being assholes and doing stupid shit.

ADHD? Why do you think that’s real? I don’t.

It’s just a way drug companies can make money prescribing un-needed drugs to kids.[/quote]

I don’t, either.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Vicomte wrote:

The only reason any of us is an amalgamation of others is that we’re all made from the same stuffs(speaking figuratively, of course). How can you call it fact? It’s impossible to prove something so abstract. It’s philosophy, not science.

Psychology isn’t a science? What grade are you in?

I’m not talking about completely rejecting the ideas of those around us, I’m talking about them being irrelevant to any given individual’s ideas. We do all have individual thought, and with it we have complete discretion over who were are and what we believe. The way I see it, we all begin tabula rasa, only we are not told how to be, we are merely suggested how to be. The ultimate choice of who you are is yours and yours alone. Of course there is influence, but influence can be ignored or indulged at will.

Some times you believe something because someone told you to, and you agree; some times you believe the opposite because you disagree; and some times you believe something entirely separate and having nothing to do with being for or against, because you’ve created it for yourself(which may indeed be an amalgamation of other ideas, but only in the way all the elements are an amalgamation of subatomic particles). I may just be pieces of everyone I know, but if that’s true the pieces are so ridiculously small and varied that I am able to form them into something regardless of where they came from.

http://family.jrank.org/pages/1264/Peer-Influence-Family-Relationships-Peer-Influence.html

Go educate yourself on environmental/peer influence related to child psychology. You seem to be arguing that how you are raised has very little to do with who you are as an adult or the choices you make. That is completely false.[/quote]

I’m saying is has as much to do with who you are as an adult as you let it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Bujo wrote:
Professor X wrote:

What’s funny is running into the “finest girl in school” after three kids, dropping out of college, and gaining 50lbs of blubber.

Dammit, why did you have to kill the dream.

Trust me, had I known in high school the way things would turn out, I would have adopted that “fuck it” attitude about 5 or so years earlier.

To anyone in high school…high school does not matter. None of the shit you worry about right now (aside from grades) will be worth 3 seconds of random thought 5 years later…and even your high school grades won’t matter after you hit college.

-They think you look funny?

Fuck it

-You’re a girl with no boobs?

Fuck it…marry a guy who will buy you some.

-You’re 16 and you haven’t been laid yet?

Seriously, fuck it.

No, really, fuck it. You need the practice.

That last one is partially a joke but I’m not sure which part.[/quote]

Exactly.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
I’m not saying schizophrenics are faking it, or narcoleptics are just tired, but I’ve seen a lot of ‘depressed’ people that were just indolent bastards with shit lives caused by their own doing, or kids with ADHD that just liked being assholes and doing stupid shit.

ADHD? Why do you think that’s real? I don’t.

It’s just a way drug companies can make money prescribing un-needed drugs to kids.[/quote]

Wrong there are documented differences in brain function for ADD as compared to a set normal brain.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
[i]"The image was blurred and the voice distorted, but the words spoken by a young Ohio woman are haunting. She had sent nude pictures of herself to a boyfriend. When they broke up, he sent them to other high school girls. The girls were harassing her, calling her a slut and a whore. She was miserable and depressed, afraid even to go to school.

And now Jesse Logan was going on a Cincinnati television station to tell her story. Her purpose was simple: ?I just want to make sure no one else will have to go through this again.?

The interview was in May 2008. Two months later, Jessica Logan hanged herself in her bedroom. She was 18."[/i]

“Hell is other people.” — JP Sartre (I think).
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I hate that quote, it is well documented that people who make have extensive and meaningful relationships with other people are happier than people who don’t. Sartre just had shitty friends, or none at all.

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Fucking weak sauce.

Is off yourself/others the national pass time for teenagers?

Seriously tragic that shit like this happens I have never understood the mentality you could possibly be in that taking your own life seems like a good idea.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
DeterminedNate wrote:
I think the issue comes down to self-worth, namely the self-worth that her parents failed to instill in her.

She looked to others for that worth, when she should have looked within. Unfortunately, it ended in disaster. Just a really fucked up situation.

Parents have nothing to do with self-worth. That doesn’t even make sense. No one gives you or teaches you self-worth. It’s instinctual, or should be. As far as I’m concerned, I’m the greatest fucker here.

Doesn’t everyone feel that way?[/quote]

Self worth is instinctual?

You are a fucking retard.

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[quote]DeterminedNate wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
DeterminedNate wrote:
I think the issue comes down to self-worth, namely the self-worth that her parents failed to instill in her.

She looked to others for that worth, when she should have looked within. Unfortunately, it ended in disaster. Just a really fucked up situation.

Parents have nothing to do with self-worth. That doesn’t even make sense. No one gives you or teaches you self-worth. It’s instinctual, or should be. As far as I’m concerned, I’m the greatest fucker here.

Doesn’t everyone feel that way?

Self worth is instinctual?

You are a fucking retard.[/quote]

  1. Nate don’t flame please

  2. Vicomte define ‘instinctual’ please.

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[quote]IrishMarc wrote:
Fucking weak sauce.

Is off yourself/others the national pass time for teenagers?

Seriously tragic that shit like this happens I have never understood the mentality you could possibly be in that taking your own life seems like a good idea. [/quote]

Of course you don’t understand it. You’re brain chemistry allows you to think rational, theirs don’t.

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[quote]Bicep_craze wrote:
DeterminedNate wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
DeterminedNate wrote:
I think the issue comes down to self-worth, namely the self-worth that her parents failed to instill in her.

She looked to others for that worth, when she should have looked within. Unfortunately, it ended in disaster. Just a really fucked up situation.

Parents have nothing to do with self-worth. That doesn’t even make sense. No one gives you or teaches you self-worth. It’s instinctual, or should be. As far as I’m concerned, I’m the greatest fucker here.

Doesn’t everyone feel that way?

Self worth is instinctual?

You are a fucking retard.

  1. Nate don’t flame please

  2. Vicomte define ‘instinctual’ please.
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One has a natural inclination to (not to mention a vested interest in) believing that they have value. If you can’t believe in yourself, then how can you expect anyone else to? Self-worth comes from within first, because it has to. Maybe someone else shows you that you can be worth more than you think, but it doesn’t happen for others until it happens for you.

Making someone think little of themself takes conditioning, not the other way around.

If self-worth isn’t created within the self, than every time someone called me a fucking retard I’d think my world was over. If others wish to place such power over themselves in the hands of others, so be it, but I’d rather not, thanks. Self-worth is instinctual in the way self-preservation is instinctual. You have to really mindfuck yourself into believing you aren’t worthy or that you don’t care if you die. Much thinking is involved. No one gets up every day and seriously asks themself, “Should I live today? Am I any good?” They just accept both as fact, a prerequisite to their existence.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
Bicep_craze wrote:
DeterminedNate wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
DeterminedNate wrote:
I think the issue comes down to self-worth, namely the self-worth that her parents failed to instill in her.

She looked to others for that worth, when she should have looked within. Unfortunately, it ended in disaster. Just a really fucked up situation.

Parents have nothing to do with self-worth. That doesn’t even make sense. No one gives you or teaches you self-worth. It’s instinctual, or should be. As far as I’m concerned, I’m the greatest fucker here.

Doesn’t everyone feel that way?

Self worth is instinctual?

You are a fucking retard.

  1. Nate don’t flame please

  2. Vicomte define ‘instinctual’ please.

One has a natural inclination to (not to mention a vested interest in) believing that they have value. If you can’t believe in yourself, then how can you expect anyone else to? Self-worth comes from within first, because it has to. Maybe someone else shows you that you can be worth more than you think, but it doesn’t happen for others until it happens for you.

Making someone think little of themself takes conditioning, not the other way around.

If self-worth isn’t created within the self, than every time someone called me a fucking retard I’d think my world was over. If others wish to place such power over themselves in the hands of others, so be it, but I’d rather not, thanks.

Self-worth is instinctual in the way self-preservation is instinctual. You have to really mindfuck yourself into believing you aren’t worthy or that you don’t care if you die. Much thinking is involved. No one gets up every day and seriously asks themself, “Should I live today? Am I any good?” They just accept both as fact, a prerequisite to their existence.[/quote]

That’s some deep shit. I like that.

Some people don’t have that ‘natural prerequisite’ tough and that’s when things get really fucked up my friend. Some have a built-in sense of self worth and as time goes by, because of external influences (people), that sense is diminished and sometimes lost completely.

Sometimes to the point that the easy way out is to ‘end it all’ since ‘this life ain’t worth living’. Probably that’s what happened to this girl.

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Fuck that. I know people who aren’t depressed that still ask themselves if they’re any good. They don’t think about killing themselves, but they also grew up with decent families. It’s not a huge stretch to think that a kid who is told he’s worthless by his parents and teased by his peers would grow up thinking that maybe he’s not worth much.

Some people overcome this, others definitely don’t.

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[quote]Bicep_craze wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
Bicep_craze wrote:
DeterminedNate wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
DeterminedNate wrote:
I think the issue comes down to self-worth, namely the self-worth that her parents failed to instill in her.

She looked to others for that worth, when she should have looked within. Unfortunately, it ended in disaster. Just a really fucked up situation.

Parents have nothing to do with self-worth. That doesn’t even make sense. No one gives you or teaches you self-worth. It’s instinctual, or should be. As far as I’m concerned, I’m the greatest fucker here.

Doesn’t everyone feel that way?

Self worth is instinctual?

You are a fucking retard.

  1. Nate don’t flame please

  2. Vicomte define ‘instinctual’ please.

One has a natural inclination to (not to mention a vested interest in) believing that they have value. If you can’t believe in yourself, then how can you expect anyone else to? Self-worth comes from within first, because it has to.

Maybe someone else shows you that you can be worth more than you think, but it doesn’t happen for others until it happens for you.

Making someone think little of themself takes conditioning, not the other way around.

If self-worth isn’t created within the self, than every time someone called me a fucking retard I’d think my world was over. If others wish to place such power over themselves in the hands of others, so be it, but I’d rather not, thanks. Self-worth is instinctual in the way self-preservation is instinctual.

You have to really mindfuck yourself into believing you aren’t worthy or that you don’t care if you die. Much thinking is involved. No one gets up every day and seriously asks themself, “Should I live today? Am I any good?” They just accept both as fact, a prerequisite to their existence.

That’s some deep shit. I like that.

Some people don’t have that ‘natural prerequisite’ tough and that’s when things get really fucked up my friend. Some have a built-in sense of self worth and as time goes by, because of external influences (people), that sense is diminished and sometimes lost completely. Sometimes to the point that the easy way out is to ‘end it all’ since ‘this life ain’t worth living’. Probably that’s what happened to this girl.[/quote]

That’s the thing: the world can wear you down–if you let it. If you do, you’ve failed. For once, the punishment fits the crime.

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[quote]Ronsauce wrote:
No one gets up every day and seriously asks themself, “Should I live today? Am I any good?” They just accept both as fact, a prerequisite to their existence.

Fuck that. I know people who aren’t depressed that still ask themselves if they’re any good. They don’t think about killing themselves, but they also grew up with decent families.

It’s not a huge stretch to think that a kid who is told he’s worthless by his parents and teased by his peers would grow up thinking that maybe he’s not worth much.

Some people overcome this, others definitely don’t. [/quote]

If they don’t think about killing themselves, it’s because they believe they’re worthy of life. Down, but never out.

Again, that’s the game. You overcome or you fade away. You fall, and no one cares to remember you the next day, but only because you decided you weren’t worth remembering.

Accountability. My life hasn’t been all pats on the back and 'Good job son!'s, but I do alright.

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I agree Vicomte… thanks for that… VERY good food for thought there… I always thought along those lines… but never made the point so clear and stripped down…

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
ctschneider wrote:
All my previous joking aside, I have to agree with Hungry on this one. Being suicidal has nothing to do with weakness of character or poor morals or stupidity or whatever. It is, more often than not, the result of a chemical imbalance.

Why would one of the side affects of certain antidepressants be increased risk of suicide, if suicidal tendencies were not related to a chemical imbalance within the brain.

I don’t want to really get into it, out of respect for Hungry, but if the antidepressant is meant to fix the imbalance, then why do they make people more suicidal? If the imbalance is the cause? People say chemical imbalances cause depression, but if that’s true, then who’s to say the depression doesn’t cause the imbalance?

Am I depressed because the chemicals in my brain tell me to be, or are the chemicals that way because I am depressed?

I’m sure my brain chemistry is way different when I’m in a bad mood than good, but maybe that’s because I choose the mood and the chemicals follow suit, rather than the other way around.

That ‘chemical imbalance’ thing has always stuck me as the same as those ads for supps that say you’re fat because of cortisol. You’re fat because you eat too much.[/quote]

Ok, so here’s a question I can answer…

The reason that antidepressant medications tend in some cases to “make” people suicidal is because people who are really really really really depressed are often too depressed to commit suicide.

I know that sounds weird but it’s true… in some cases the medication actually gets people feeling well enough to kill themselves. Its one of the many “Catch 22’s” of medicine.

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[quote]roypw wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
ctschneider wrote:
All my previous joking aside, I have to agree with Hungry on this one. Being suicidal has nothing to do with weakness of character or poor morals or stupidity or whatever. It is, more often than not, the result of a chemical imbalance.

Why would one of the side affects of certain antidepressants be increased risk of suicide, if suicidal tendencies were not related to a chemical imbalance within the brain.

I don’t want to really get into it, out of respect for Hungry, but if the antidepressant is meant to fix the imbalance, then why do they make people more suicidal? If the imbalance is the cause?

People say chemical imbalances cause depression, but if that’s true, then who’s to say the depression doesn’t cause the imbalance? Am I depressed because the chemicals in my brain tell me to be, or are the chemicals that way because I am depressed?

I’m sure my brain chemistry is way different when I’m in a bad mood than good, but maybe that’s because I choose the mood and the chemicals follow suit, rather than the other way around.

That ‘chemical imbalance’ thing has always stuck me as the same as those ads for supps that say you’re fat because of cortisol. You’re fat because you eat too much.

Ok, so here’s a question I can answer…

The reason that antidepressant medications tend in some cases to “make” people suicidal is because people who are really really really really depressed are often too depressed to commit suicide.

I know that sounds weird but it’s true… in some cases the medication actually gets people feeling well enough to kill themselves. Its one of the many “Catch 22’s” of medicine.[/quote]

Ha! Seriously? That’s probably the single greatest thing I’ve ever heard.

Absolutely, diabolically, hilarious.

If I ever write a book…