Teen Committed Suicide Over 'Sexting'

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
I’m not saying schizophrenics are faking it, or narcoleptics are just tired, but I’ve seen a lot of ‘depressed’ people that were just indolent bastards with shit lives caused by their own doing, or kids with ADHD that just liked being assholes and doing stupid shit.

ADHD? Why do you think that’s real? I don’t.

It’s just a way drug companies can make money prescribing un-needed drugs to kids.

I don’t, either.[/quote]

I used to think it’s not real and most cases aren’t real, but the condition does exist. It’s a legitimate chemical imbalance in the brain. I was diagnosed with that and a bunch of other shit as a kid, but the drugs just made me worse, so I never took them.

I took adderall recently for a test and it made me feel so amazing, like I finally felt well mentally. It was amazing, but I’m not going to take it again because it could make my childhood conditions re-surface.

tl;dr: ADD is real stfu and eat a dick, along with your assumptions.

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[quote]Artem wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
I’m not saying schizophrenics are faking it, or narcoleptics are just tired, but I’ve seen a lot of ‘depressed’ people that were just indolent bastards with shit lives caused by their own doing, or kids with ADHD that just liked being assholes and doing stupid shit.

ADHD? Why do you think that’s real? I don’t.

It’s just a way drug companies can make money prescribing un-needed drugs to kids.

I don’t, either.

I used to think it’s not real and most cases aren’t real, but the condition does exist. It’s a legitimate chemical imbalance in the brain. I was diagnosed with that and a bunch of other shit as a kid, but the drugs just made me worse, so I never took them.

I took adderall recently for a test and it made me feel so amazing, like I finally felt well mentally. It was amazing, but I’m not going to take it again because it could make my childhood conditions re-surface.

tl;dr: ADD is real stfu and eat a dick, along with your assumptions.[/quote]

Again, I don’t think there’s a way to empirically prove the difference between cause and effect for chemical imbalances causing certain mental states. You don’t know any better than I do what the truth is.

Of course Adderall made you feel great. It’s an amphetamine. it would make me feel great, as well. Doesn’t mean I have ADD.

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Wow, it is just absolutely ridiculous that you still don’t seem to acknowledge that how a child is raised has any effect on their mental state when grown up.

So you seem to think that you turned out alright despite a lack of “pats on the back and 'Good job son!'s.” Fantastic. Awesome. Not everyone has the same brain chemistry and coping mechanisms as you do and simply aren’t equipped to handle what you were apparently able to.

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[quote]Ronsauce wrote:
Wow, it is just absolutely ridiculous that you still don’t seem to acknowledge that how a child is raised has any effect on their mental state when grown up.

So you seem to think that you turned out alright despite a lack of “pats on the back and 'Good job son!'s.” Fantastic. Awesome. Not everyone has the same brain chemistry and coping mechanisms as you do and simply aren’t equipped to handle what you were apparently able to.[/quote]

I’m not sure how many times I have to say this: I’m not saying it has no effect; I’m saying you ultimately decide what that effect is.

If you like, then we can all just agree that I’m better than everyone else. Apparently I possess skills and traits outside the realm of what is considered possible. I didn’t want to believe it, but I guess I’m just simply a God among men.

Someone ask me how it feels.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
Ha! Seriously? That’s probably the single greatest thing I’ve ever heard.

Absolutely, diabolically, hilarious.

If I ever write a book…[/quote]

That’s the truth… I couldn’t make this stuff up…

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
Ronsauce wrote:
Wow, it is just absolutely ridiculous that you still don’t seem to acknowledge that how a child is raised has any effect on their mental state when grown up.

So you seem to think that you turned out alright despite a lack of “pats on the back and 'Good job son!'s.” Fantastic. Awesome. Not everyone has the same brain chemistry and coping mechanisms as you do and simply aren’t equipped to handle what you were apparently able to.

I’m not sure how many times I have to say this: I’m not saying it has no effect; I’m saying you ultimately decide what that effect is.

If you like, then we can all just agree that I’m better than everyone else. Apparently I possess skills and traits outside the realm of what is considered possible. I didn’t want to believe it, but I guess I’m just simply a God among men.

Someone ask me how it feels.[/quote]

How does it feel? :-p :wink:

Seriously though, despite a pretty rough beginning, I’ve never wondered about killing myself only wondered how the hell I managed to NOT kill myself :stuck_out_tongue:

In the end what it came down to was a refusal to let other (worthless) people have such influence or harm. That is a quality that I believe can separate those who pull out of difficult times from those who don’t. Externalization vs internalization. ‘I am hurt that nobody loves me’ vs ‘FUCK YOU.’

That is something that is a mystery to me where it originates and I doubt it comes down to a simple variable such as parenting. We’re are so much more complicated than that! The danger with the externalization types (IMO) is when they go down, they take everyone within reach with them.

Of course I can reflect and note how I didn’t get my hand-held and no one catered to my self-esteem and I turned out alright. But the truth is times were a lot tougher than they needed to be. I think I gained some really great qualities from having some challenges but with those come some handicaps. There really is a place for a happy medium.

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[quote]debraD wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
Ronsauce wrote:
Wow, it is just absolutely ridiculous that you still don’t seem to acknowledge that how a child is raised has any effect on their mental state when grown up.

So you seem to think that you turned out alright despite a lack of “pats on the back and 'Good job son!'s.” Fantastic. Awesome. Not everyone has the same brain chemistry and coping mechanisms as you do and simply aren’t equipped to handle what you were apparently able to.

I’m not sure how many times I have to say this: I’m not saying it has no effect; I’m saying you ultimately decide what that effect is.

If you like, then we can all just agree that I’m better than everyone else. Apparently I possess skills and traits outside the realm of what is considered possible. I didn’t want to believe it, but I guess I’m just simply a God among men.

Someone ask me how it feels.

How does it feel? :-p :wink:

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Good, Deb. It feels good.

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I’m also not saying that it comes down to just parenting, but I believe it is 100% incorrect to assume that parenting or the lack thereof has no effect on how everyone turns out.

Normal, well-adjusted people can, sure, but not everyone is able to.

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[quote]Ronsauce wrote:
I’m also not saying that it comes down to just parenting, but I believe it is 100% incorrect to assume that parenting or the lack thereof has no effect on how everyone turns out. [/quote]

I don’t believe it’s the parenting itself, but rather the child’s interpretation of the parenting. So, really, the parenting is irrelevant as it can be interpreted the same way despite it being different. It’s the child’s choice.

If your Dad says, ‘You’re amazing kid!’ you can think, ‘Yes, I am amazing!’.

If he says, ‘You suck, kid!’ you can think, ‘Fuck you Dad, I’m amazing!’.

Different paths, same destination.

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[quote]Ronsauce wrote:
I’m saying you ultimately decide what that effect is.

Normal, well-adjusted people can, sure, but not everyone is able to.

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Not everyone CHOOSES to. These people, in my humbly humble opinion of humbleness personified, deserve what they get.

Accountability. If I’m responsible for the good I do, I’m responsible for the bad and the ugly.

Then again, I’m a bit of an Existentialist.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
If your Dad says, ‘You’re amazing kid!’ you can think, ‘Yes, I am amazing!’.

If he says, ‘You suck, kid!’ you can think, ‘Fuck you Dad, I’m amazing!’.

Different paths, same destination.[/quote]

lol that is kind of what I was getting at but I think everyone has to have at least one source of ‘You’re amazing kid!’ in order to say fuck you to anyone who tells them different.

But…I don’t think there is as much control as you think there is as to how you actually think. I go through my life believing I control everything, but I highly doubt I am right about that.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
Ronsauce wrote:
I’m also not saying that it comes down to just parenting, but I believe it is 100% incorrect to assume that parenting or the lack thereof has no effect on how everyone turns out.

I don’t believe it’s the parenting itself, but rather the child’s interpretation of the parenting. So, really, the parenting is irrelevant as it can be interpreted the same way despite it being different. It’s the child’s choice.

If your Dad says, ‘You’re amazing kid!’ you can think, ‘Yes, I am amazing!’.

If he says, ‘You suck, kid!’ you can think, ‘Fuck you Dad, I’m amazing!’.

Different paths, same destination.[/quote]

Simple. To the point. Hehe so true.

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[quote]debraD wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
If your Dad says, ‘You’re amazing kid!’ you can think, ‘Yes, I am amazing!’.

If he says, ‘You suck, kid!’ you can think, ‘Fuck you Dad, I’m amazing!’.

Different paths, same destination.

lol that is kind of what I was getting at but I think everyone has to have at least one source of ‘You’re amazing kid!’ in order to say fuck you to anyone who tells them different.

But…I don’t think there is as much control as you think there is as to how you actually think. I go through my life believing I control everything, but I highly doubt I am right about that.[/quote]

The one source is yourself. You don’t need anything else.

What allows me more control, believing I control nothing (in which case I don’t) or believing I control everything (in which case, even if I do not control everything, I can control much more than if I believe otherwise)?.

Who has this control if not me? Surely no one has more control over myself than myself.

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It’s funny- A great deal of this suicide discussion emerged earlier when that kid on the MISC part of BB.com offed himself on-camera.

Funny-peculiar, not funny-haha.

I find myself siding with Vic on people deciding whether their locus of control is internal or external. However, as a bit of a catch-22, for many of us, it requires someone outside of us to suggest this idea for us to realize it.

Think about that one for a second.

Yes, you can ‘Awaken the Giant Within’ and all that, but you won’t unless you receive the outside signal that you can.

Or you’re just born with the innate knowledge of this. I wasn’t. I believe the majority of other people aren’t either.

Which brings us back to square one, lending a layer of complexity and justification to both sides of the nature/nurture argument.

Only mildly related- the older I grow, the more I discover myself fulfilling the zodiacal characteristics of being a Libra and being born in the YOT Tiger. Nature? Nurture? Discuss.

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[quote]Otep wrote:
Only mildly related- the older I grow, the more I discover myself fulfilling the zodiacal characteristics of being a Libra and being born in the YOT Tiger. Nature? Nurture? Discuss.[/quote]

Bullshit. Give anyone a list of good characteristics and they’ll believe it represents them.

My brother falls under the Dragon category. I offer this as evidence enough that the entire system is made up.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
Ronsauce wrote:
I’m also not saying that it comes down to just parenting, but I believe it is 100% incorrect to assume that parenting or the lack thereof has no effect on how everyone turns out.

I don’t believe it’s the parenting itself, but rather the child’s interpretation of the parenting. So, really, the parenting is irrelevant as it can be interpreted the same way despite it being different. It’s the child’s choice.

If your Dad says, ‘You’re amazing kid!’ you can think, ‘Yes, I am amazing!’.

If he says, ‘You suck, kid!’ you can think, ‘Fuck you Dad, I’m amazing!’.

Different paths, same destination.[/quote]

That’s so oversimplified that it becomes meaningless though. The kid would need to know what amazing is first to be able to fall back on his own encouragement, if all he is greeted with from his family, “friends,” terrible support system from a poor city(unmotivated, underpaid, overworked teachers and such) is negatives it would be irrational to NOT believe them.

Then at that point, if the kid does have the chemical imbalances that lead to depression he will give up on exploring his own strengths and just assume everyone is right about his failures. The kid would never have a chance to figure it out like you say.

I guess this is where you reply that your philosophy is that kids like this don’t deserve a chance to live beyond their teenage years where the pressure to make themselves good enough for the impending independence causes more suicides than any other age group. They’re just flawed, better not to have them anyways?

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[quote]red04 wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
Ronsauce wrote:
I’m also not saying that it comes down to just parenting, but I believe it is 100% incorrect to assume that parenting or the lack thereof has no effect on how everyone turns out.

I don’t believe it’s the parenting itself, but rather the child’s interpretation of the parenting. So, really, the parenting is irrelevant as it can be interpreted the same way despite it being different. It’s the child’s choice.

If your Dad says, ‘You’re amazing kid!’ you can think, ‘Yes, I am amazing!’.

If he says, ‘You suck, kid!’ you can think, ‘Fuck you Dad, I’m amazing!’.

Different paths, same destination.

That’s so oversimplified that it becomes meaningless though. The kid would need to know what amazing is first to be able to fall back on his own encouragement, if all he is greeted with from his family, “friends,” terrible support system from a poor city(unmotivated, underpaid, overworked teachers and such) is negatives it would be irrational to NOT believe them.

Then at that point, if the kid does have the chemical imbalances that lead to depression he will give up on exploring his own strengths and just assume everyone is right about his failures. The kid would never have a chance to figure it out like you say.

I guess this is where you reply that your philosophy is that kids like this don’t deserve a chance to live beyond their teenage years where the pressure to make themselves good enough for the impending independence causes more suicides than any other age group. They’re just flawed, better not to have them anyways?

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The worse a situation is, the more people in it will believe there is something better out there, even if they think it isn’t meant for them at first. Kids like you describe almost all have the dream of ‘getting out of this place’ or ‘making something of themselves’ (at least the ones I’ve known), the only thing is that they never do.

It’s not like they don’t know there are better things. You think slaves don’t realize there’s something better to be had?

I don’t care how shitty your situation is, there’s always the idea of hope. If you give up on that, then, yes, you deserve what you get.

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I don’t know. This chick seems like kind of a wuss.

But on the other hand it takes muy cojones and commitment do one’s self in.

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It must of been a fucking awful picture.

Anyhow, some people are mentally weak. This girl, didn’t appear to have any kind of mental strength, and that isn’t down to her.

The guy didn’t mean for anyone to die. It’s fair to assume that if a naked picture gets out of someone, they’re not going to kill themselves.

If you’re going to blame anyone, I’d have to say it is either the girl, or the parents.

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Although I am very saddened by what I just saw, I believe the blame is hers and hers alone. Sure there are rotten fucks out there in the world but paying the ultimate price because of words that came out of some pathetic students mouth is by far going overboard.

She took the picture and sent it to her B/F… She should’ve known not to trust a dude with nude pics… Hell I would’ve been showin em off to.