The guy needs to learn to deal with people, but at the same time you can’t fault him for taking on a position that requires him to get better at it. If you are an introvert and you want to improve your social skills what better way to do that then take on a job with a customer service aspect?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
I have very little experience with people… but I’m learning…[/quote]
Not to be an ass, but did you grow up in a plastic bubble?[/quote]
I was a very solitary person. I was a pretty silent person. Books, video games and LEGO were very good friends of mine.[/quote]
Okay so why choose a profession/career/passion to TEACH and communicate to people how to lift?
[/quote]
LOL
I deal with people daily. I know how to get a desired response. This guy seems to be having trouble fitting in and sees every comment against what he believes as an attack on him personally. That will no doubt lead to people making fun of him later on…like it sounds is happening now.
He needs to learn how to deal with people better…including his clients.
He has now had several experienced guys telling him his thinking is off about how he trains people…and he still won’t listen.
Imagine what he does in real life.
[/quote]
I have a few kids that work for me that are late teens and early 20’s. (Plus I have 4 children this age)
Social mutants when speaking to people other than their peers. I know this, so hired them on other qualities and with time have helped/watched them obtain this ability.
OP I guess good luck man, you may need to really evaluate what you are doing. If you are in college take some classes in public speaking/communication/acting things that will force you to live outside your head.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
The guy needs to learn to deal with people, but at the same time you can’t fault him for taking on a position that requires him to get better at it. If you are an introvert and you want to improve your social skills what better way to do that then take on a job with a customer service aspect? [/quote]
Well he choose something that could injury someone for life.
Maybe a position that requires NOT causing lumbar disc herniation’s should be the first step.
I use 2 2" platforms, since the gym doesn’t have a power rack, and as such, I start the person with ~90 lb. Also, if the person can’t do this, I have him do SLDLs until he can handle it. But most men can handle 90 lb. Heck, at 135 I could handle 135 despite being uber-sedentary.
[quote]Therajraj wrote:
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Not keeping elbows taut
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Shrugging at the top of the movement
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not locking out correctly
[/quote] -
I explain how that leads to a sudden loading of the spine, and it’s dangerous
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it’s not dangerous; also, easy to correct
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as in, extend the hips, not the back. Luckily, my clients don’t have this tendency, but it’s also easy to correct.
I want to make sure they keep a straight low-back, don’t heave the bar, and scrape their shins. If they do these (include head optimal head alignment), I’d say there’s plenty of time to improve the finer points, since the risk of injury due to faulty technique has been nearly eliminated.
Ha ha.
No, it didn’t escalate. That was how it began. The “advice” of not letting him DL nor do chin-ups came afterwards.
And how on friggin earth can someone herniate a disk if his back is straight and rigid?
These are the same guys who told a few years ago that I shouldn’t do military presses until I can DL 220 or more. (no, they didn’t see me while pressing, and no, I didn’t have an exaggerated lean back)
wtf, so a beginner should begin by using machines?
If he can do 10 reps with the empty bar, can anyone say the bar is too heavy?
Or should I progress him directly to a loaded bar, after he gains strength on machines?
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
I have very little experience with people… but I’m learning…[/quote]
Not to be an ass, but did you grow up in a plastic bubble?[/quote]
I was a very solitary person. I was a pretty silent person. Books, video games and LEGO were very good friends of mine.[/quote]
Okay so why choose a profession/career/passion to TEACH and communicate to people how to lift?
[/quote]
LOL
I deal with people daily. I know how to get a desired response. This guy seems to be having trouble fitting in and sees every comment against what he believes as an attack on him personally. That will no doubt lead to people making fun of him later on…like it sounds is happening now.
He needs to learn how to deal with people better…including his clients.
He has now had several experienced guys telling him his thinking is off about how he trains people…and he still won’t listen.
Imagine what he does in real life.
[/quote]
I have a few kids that work for me that are late teens and early 20’s. (Plus I have 4 children this age)
Social mutants when speaking to people other than their peers. I know this, so hired them on other qualities and with time have helped/watched them obtain this ability.
OP I guess good luck man, you may need to really evaluate what you are doing. If you are in college take some classes in public speaking/communication/acting things that will force you to live outside your head.[/quote]
In all honesty I blame the failing public school system and parents that in many cases rightfully so are afraid to let Kids play with other kids.
I learned how to deal with Thugs, Bullies, Pussies, Clowns and shy people all before I was 12.
Becasue back in the stone age when I was growing up we all went to public schools and met people from all over the place.
It was not a perfect but the teachers had control and the kids learned how to deal with people in a semi safe place. Or we would ride our bikes all over town and meet other people.
Now people are learning basic social skills in the WORK place. Sad.
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
Ha ha.
No, it didn’t escalate. That was how it began. The “advice” of not letting him DL nor do chin-ups came afterwards.
And how on friggin earth can someone herniate a disk if his back is straight and rigid?
These are the same guys who told a few years ago that I shouldn’t do military presses until I can DL 220 or more. (no, they didn’t see me while pressing, and no, I didn’t have an exaggerated lean back)
wtf, so a beginner should begin by using machines?
If he can do 10 reps with the empty bar, can anyone say the bar is too heavy?
Or should I progress him directly to a loaded bar, after he gains strength on machines?[/quote]
Like I said, if we see a huge problem here, my guess is other experienced people can as well.
He could very well be setting someone up for injury.
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
Ha ha.
No, it didn’t escalate. That was how it began. The “advice” of not letting him DL nor do chin-ups came afterwards.
And how on friggin earth can someone herniate a disk if his back is straight and rigid?
[/quote]
Well if you have to ask this, then maybe that is your answer.
And before you go there I have 20 years in medicine, I am not attacking you okay. Just having a healthy discussion.
I used to yell at my son to NOT touch the hot stove…you know what he touched the hot stove.
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
I have very little experience with people… but I’m learning…[/quote]
Not to be an ass, but did you grow up in a plastic bubble?[/quote]
I was a very solitary person. I was a pretty silent person. Books, video games and LEGO were very good friends of mine.[/quote]
Okay so why choose a profession/career/passion to TEACH and communicate to people how to lift?
[/quote]
LOL
I deal with people daily. I know how to get a desired response. This guy seems to be having trouble fitting in and sees every comment against what he believes as an attack on him personally. That will no doubt lead to people making fun of him later on…like it sounds is happening now.
He needs to learn how to deal with people better…including his clients.
He has now had several experienced guys telling him his thinking is off about how he trains people…and he still won’t listen.
Imagine what he does in real life.
[/quote]
I have a few kids that work for me that are late teens and early 20’s. (Plus I have 4 children this age)
Social mutants when speaking to people other than their peers. I know this, so hired them on other qualities and with time have helped/watched them obtain this ability.
OP I guess good luck man, you may need to really evaluate what you are doing. If you are in college take some classes in public speaking/communication/acting things that will force you to live outside your head.[/quote]
In all honesty I blame the failing public school system and parents that in many cases rightfully so are afraid to let Kids play with other kids.
I learned how to deal with Thugs, Bullies, Pussies, Clowns and shy people all before I was 12.
Becasue back in the stone age when I was growing up we all went to public schools and met people from all over the place.
It was not a perfect but the teachers had control and the kids learned how to deal with people in a semi safe place. Or we would ride our bikes all over town and meet other people.
Now people are learning basic social skills in the WORK place. Sad.
[/quote]
Well 460 I agree man, but when we were growing up there were a lot less crazy people also.
Kids getting abducted etc was a rare occurrence, maybe I am just paranoid but raising my kids I was scared to death to let them ride around town on there bikes. Like I did when I was there age.
Neah, I just liked books, video games etc. a lot more than playing with children. Since the children in my neighborhood would laugh at me because I
- read
- didn’t swear
- got good grades,
and since my parents didn’t think they should somehow try to help me improve my social skills…
Also, my school was pretty far from home, so I couldn’t often meet with my colleagues (who also read, learnt, and didn’t cuss)
but, then came high school, then came college, and I discovered working with people is really interesting and pleasant…
OK, I’m an idiot and can’t see the problem.
Tell me, what’s wrong if I teach someone to bench with an empty bar, deadlift with a 90 lb bar (if he successfully -back kept straight, arms kept straight, begin by breaking at the hips, keep arms vertical- manages to do SLDLs with a 40, 60, 80 lb bar before), and have him do inverted rows or cable rows instead of DB rows?
And if I have him do chin-ups/partial chin-ups, even though he is very skinny?
LOL @ anyone who has read all of the OP’s posts in this thread and still has questions as to why this other trainer acts (allegedly) the way he does to the OP
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
I have very little experience with people… but I’m learning…[/quote]
Not to be an ass, but did you grow up in a plastic bubble?[/quote]
I was a very solitary person. I was a pretty silent person. Books, video games and LEGO were very good friends of mine.[/quote]
Okay so why choose a profession/career/passion to TEACH and communicate to people how to lift?
[/quote]
LOL
I deal with people daily. I know how to get a desired response. This guy seems to be having trouble fitting in and sees every comment against what he believes as an attack on him personally. That will no doubt lead to people making fun of him later on…like it sounds is happening now.
He needs to learn how to deal with people better…including his clients.
He has now had several experienced guys telling him his thinking is off about how he trains people…and he still won’t listen.
Imagine what he does in real life.
[/quote]
I have a few kids that work for me that are late teens and early 20’s. (Plus I have 4 children this age)
Social mutants when speaking to people other than their peers. I know this, so hired them on other qualities and with time have helped/watched them obtain this ability.
OP I guess good luck man, you may need to really evaluate what you are doing. If you are in college take some classes in public speaking/communication/acting things that will force you to live outside your head.[/quote]
In all honesty I blame the failing public school system and parents that in many cases rightfully so are afraid to let Kids play with other kids.
I learned how to deal with Thugs, Bullies, Pussies, Clowns and shy people all before I was 12.
Becasue back in the stone age when I was growing up we all went to public schools and met people from all over the place.
It was not a perfect but the teachers had control and the kids learned how to deal with people in a semi safe place. Or we would ride our bikes all over town and meet other people.
Now people are learning basic social skills in the WORK place. Sad.
[/quote]
Well 460 I agree man, but when we were growing up there were a lot less crazy people also.
Kids getting abducted etc was a rare occurrence, maybe I am just paranoid but raising my kids I was scared to death to let them ride around town on there bikes. Like I did when I was there age. [/quote]
I agree. Its sad that kids miss out on social skills because it is a crazy world. Teachers no longer even know how to handle kids. So people are growing and learning but have no idea how to translate that knowledge to another person.
[quote]gregron wrote:
LOL @ anyone who has read all of the OP’s posts in this thread and still has questions as to why this other trainer acts (allegedly) the way he does to the OP[/quote]
LOL,
Let us all go back to my very first post shall we:
[quote]four60 wrote:
Is this a free membership?
I just don’t get why anyone would roll on you like that in real life.
Sounds more like a kid trying to pick a fight than a REAL life adult?
Sure this wasn’t a dream you had?[/quote]
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
Neah, I just liked books, video games etc. a lot more than playing with children. Since the children in my neighborhood would laugh at me because I
- read
- didn’t swear
- got good grades,
and since my parents didn’t think they should somehow try to help me improve my social skills…
Also, my school was pretty far from home, so I couldn’t often meet with my colleagues (who also read, learnt, and didn’t cuss)
but, then came high school, then came college, and I discovered working with people is really interesting and pleasant…[/quote]
Dude most of the guys on this forum are geeks at heart, I read, play video games, have a masters degree, read comic books and I am a grandfather. Have you gone to the geek thread on here.
This is not an attack on your IQ or ability to take a round peg and put in round hole.
Dealing with people is an art form all its own.
See even in the discussion we are having you come off as defensive, and I hope when you read this do not perceive this as an attack. I am just having a discussion.
[quote]pk0ad wrote:
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
And another: I have beginners do inverted rows and cable rows, since DB rows require too much coordination for someone who can hardly keep his back flat during a DL, and I consider BB rows just place undue stress on the spine…
Since for an absolute beginner an inverted row with straight legs can be a bit difficult, I explain that they can bend their legs so that the exercise is easier to do, and then progressively straighten them when they get stronger…
[/quote]
Maybe you’re talking about a different exercise, but DB rows the way most people do them don’t require any more coordination than starting a mower. And people can start with the smallest dumbbells if need be, 5 or 10 lb or whatever. Who are you training who can’t row a 10 lb dumbbell?
[/quote]
Teaching a DB Row (on a bench) for some people is near impossible if they have zero body awareness. Quite a few people don’t know how to get their back to flatten to save their life.
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
I have very little experience with people… but I’m learning…[/quote]
Not to be an ass, but did you grow up in a plastic bubble?[/quote]
I was a very solitary person. I was a pretty silent person. Books, video games and LEGO were very good friends of mine.[/quote]
Okay so why choose a profession/career/passion to TEACH and communicate to people how to lift?
[/quote]
LOL
I deal with people daily. I know how to get a desired response. This guy seems to be having trouble fitting in and sees every comment against what he believes as an attack on him personally. That will no doubt lead to people making fun of him later on…like it sounds is happening now.
He needs to learn how to deal with people better…including his clients.
He has now had several experienced guys telling him his thinking is off about how he trains people…and he still won’t listen.
Imagine what he does in real life.
[/quote]
I have a few kids that work for me that are late teens and early 20’s. (Plus I have 4 children this age)
Social mutants when speaking to people other than their peers. I know this, so hired them on other qualities and with time have helped/watched them obtain this ability.
OP I guess good luck man, you may need to really evaluate what you are doing. If you are in college take some classes in public speaking/communication/acting things that will force you to live outside your head.[/quote]
In all honesty I blame the failing public school system and parents that in many cases rightfully so are afraid to let Kids play with other kids.
I learned how to deal with Thugs, Bullies, Pussies, Clowns and shy people all before I was 12.
Becasue back in the stone age when I was growing up we all went to public schools and met people from all over the place.
It was not a perfect but the teachers had control and the kids learned how to deal with people in a semi safe place. Or we would ride our bikes all over town and meet other people.
Now people are learning basic social skills in the WORK place. Sad.
[/quote]
Well 460 I agree man, but when we were growing up there were a lot less crazy people also.
Kids getting abducted etc was a rare occurrence, maybe I am just paranoid but raising my kids I was scared to death to let them ride around town on there bikes. Like I did when I was there age. [/quote]
I agree. Its sad that kids miss out on social skills because it is a crazy world. Teachers no longer even know how to handle kids. So people are growing and learning but have no idea how to translate that knowledge to another person.
[/quote]
We are in an age where even the dumbest motherfucker on the planet can look like Einstein if he has a PC or smart phone. He could pull up the theory of relativity with a few key strokes.
But ask that same person to have a discussion about the best way to handle a simple problem in the work place. Big fucking failure.
Hijack thread this is just 460 and I shooting shit as old guys, NOT relating this to the OP.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]Sterneneisen wrote:
I have very little experience with people… but I’m learning…[/quote]
Not to be an ass, but did you grow up in a plastic bubble?[/quote]
I was a very solitary person. I was a pretty silent person. Books, video games and LEGO were very good friends of mine.[/quote]
Okay so why choose a profession/career/passion to TEACH and communicate to people how to lift?
[/quote]
LOL
I deal with people daily. I know how to get a desired response. This guy seems to be having trouble fitting in and sees every comment against what he believes as an attack on him personally. That will no doubt lead to people making fun of him later on…like it sounds is happening now.
He needs to learn how to deal with people better…including his clients.
He has now had several experienced guys telling him his thinking is off about how he trains people…and he still won’t listen.
Imagine what he does in real life.
[/quote]
I have a few kids that work for me that are late teens and early 20’s. (Plus I have 4 children this age)
Social mutants when speaking to people other than their peers. I know this, so hired them on other qualities and with time have helped/watched them obtain this ability.
OP I guess good luck man, you may need to really evaluate what you are doing. If you are in college take some classes in public speaking/communication/acting things that will force you to live outside your head.[/quote]
In all honesty I blame the failing public school system and parents that in many cases rightfully so are afraid to let Kids play with other kids.
I learned how to deal with Thugs, Bullies, Pussies, Clowns and shy people all before I was 12.
Becasue back in the stone age when I was growing up we all went to public schools and met people from all over the place.
It was not a perfect but the teachers had control and the kids learned how to deal with people in a semi safe place. Or we would ride our bikes all over town and meet other people.
Now people are learning basic social skills in the WORK place. Sad.
[/quote]
Well 460 I agree man, but when we were growing up there were a lot less crazy people also.
Kids getting abducted etc was a rare occurrence, maybe I am just paranoid but raising my kids I was scared to death to let them ride around town on there bikes. Like I did when I was there age. [/quote]
I agree. Its sad that kids miss out on social skills because it is a crazy world. Teachers no longer even know how to handle kids. So people are growing and learning but have no idea how to translate that knowledge to another person.
[/quote]
We are in an age where even the dumbest motherfucker on the planet can look like Einstein if he has a PC or smart phone. He could pull up the theory of relativity with a few key strokes.
But ask that same person to have a discussion about the best way to handle a simple problem in the work place. Big fucking failure.
Hijack thread this is just 460 and I shooting shit as old guys, NOT relating this to the OP. [/quote]
x1000
Its comical. I envy kids for all the knowledge they have at the press of a button. But in all of this world of information the simple act of doing something because a supervisor or hell a parent told them to seems to be not just lost but a crime.
Ok I understand you have a way to do this better with your 1-3yrs of experince but you work for me and I want it done this way. You would think this would end the conversation. NOOOO the normal comback is “WHAT IF WE DO THIS LIKE THIS…”
I have no problem with asking questions but once you get a answer don’t keep harping on your better way. If you have a better way do it and get fired. OR do it and never make gains in the gym or do it and let your mother sit and watch you fail again and again.
If authority orders, I do. Unless it’s an incredibly stupid AND harmful order, going against my moral code.
Also, I was one lonely geek…
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Teaching a DB Row (on a bench) for some people is near impossible if they have zero body awareness. Quite a few people don’t know how to get their back to flatten to save their life.
[/quote]
This.
Also, back to
[i]“I’m an idiot. Please take your time to explain where I’m wrong, because I just can’t figure it out by myself”,[/i]
if you don’t mind.
No, I’m not being sarcastic. I just can’t understand where I’m going wrong. And the conversation was reproduced nearly word for word, beginning to about mid-way through. He simply asked me, in front of the client, if he’s a “PUSSY”. Then told me the inverted row is “just my invention” (~), then another guy tells me that semi-sumo DLs destroy your knees (regardless of knee tracking), etc.
No critique on the client’s DL form. No critique on his bench form (maybe that his grip was too narrow, can’t remember; then again, I won’t have a client who is not hell bent on having the huge-est pecs ever do elbows-flared BB BPs…). Critique on me having him DL, do inverted rows, and not “teaching” him how to use each and every machine in the gym.