Teacher Punches Student

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Not at all. just providing personal experience. My “mid 90’s post office” line was said in jest, but those posts kinda proved one of my points. The world is dangerous, and it has nothing to do with chronological progression. But, there needs to be preventative measures taken and/or established before things escelate to that point. Like I said earlier, there’s no way what happened in that classroom was their first altercation. As soon as the kid has been in trouble more than once in that class, someone needs to keep an eye on the situation. And, if the kid has mental problems as the article suggests, he doesn’t need to be in that class in the first place.[/quote]

You are speculating that there is a history there…there may or may not be, and its really irrelevant as it is not really on the topic…the teacher can’t remove the student from the class–that would have to be done at a higher pay grade than hers…so what is she supposed to do? Endure verbal and physical abuse and intimidation because someone else didn’t do their job?

I just don’t see how anyone can think the teacher did anything except the right thing in this situation…She handled the situation extremely well IMO…in hindsight, maybe pushing the kid back instead of decking him may have been a better option, but when a much weaker person is put in an intimidating and potentially dangerous situation such as this, I think that is very forgiveable…I doubt she had time and clear thinking to weigh all her options and balance out the pros and cons–she reacted instinctively because she was placed in a situation where that is natural…[/quote]

Of course it’s speculation, but things like that generally don’t just happen unless there’s some sort of history. And, as I said earlier she was standing in a doorway. Why not open the door, go grab a security guard or officer [ I know some schools have actual police officers on campus] and have them remove the kid? Busting him in the face wasn’t the smartest move. Agreed that she felt threatened and her instinct kicked in, so she obviously wasn’t thinking, but that’s my point. She needed to be thinking. Hauling off and busting on him was a really bad idea.[/quote]

Have you ever had an adrenaline rush from fear for your physical safety?[/quote]

Brother, you have no idea the wacky shit I’ve been involved in, especially in my younger days. But, I AM NOT A 64 YEAR OLD TEACHER BEING YELLED AT BY A MENTALLY CHALLENGED 17 YEAR OLD.[/quote]

Including the fact that he’s mentally challenged/ill/unstable/whatever is absolutely absurd thinking that that’s a reason she shouldn’t have hit him.

All things being equal, a person who’s mentally unstable is far more dangerous than someone who’s level headed.[/quote]

You’re right, I shouldn’t have included that. But, I still think she should’ve handled herself better and not allowed it to get to that point. We only saw, what, 20 seconds? The student with the camera phone started recording ‘cause she saw something was potentially gonna go down. That takes time to develop. And, in that time she coulda’ walked out the door and gotten help instead of punching her student in the face.[/quote]

You ignored this fact in my earlier post: whether or not it should have escalated to that point or not, IT DID.

If you want to argue what “should have” happened… argue that the fuckwit student should not have been a fuckwit student to begin with, because that would have avoided him being punched in his deserving fucking face.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Not at all. just providing personal experience. My “mid 90’s post office” line was said in jest, but those posts kinda proved one of my points. The world is dangerous, and it has nothing to do with chronological progression. But, there needs to be preventative measures taken and/or established before things escelate to that point. Like I said earlier, there’s no way what happened in that classroom was their first altercation. As soon as the kid has been in trouble more than once in that class, someone needs to keep an eye on the situation. And, if the kid has mental problems as the article suggests, he doesn’t need to be in that class in the first place.[/quote]

You are speculating that there is a history there…there may or may not be, and its really irrelevant as it is not really on the topic…the teacher can’t remove the student from the class–that would have to be done at a higher pay grade than hers…so what is she supposed to do? Endure verbal and physical abuse and intimidation because someone else didn’t do their job?

I just don’t see how anyone can think the teacher did anything except the right thing in this situation…She handled the situation extremely well IMO…in hindsight, maybe pushing the kid back instead of decking him may have been a better option, but when a much weaker person is put in an intimidating and potentially dangerous situation such as this, I think that is very forgiveable…I doubt she had time and clear thinking to weigh all her options and balance out the pros and cons–she reacted instinctively because she was placed in a situation where that is natural…[/quote]

Of course it’s speculation, but things like that generally don’t just happen unless there’s some sort of history. And, as I said earlier she was standing in a doorway. Why not open the door, go grab a security guard or officer [ I know some schools have actual police officers on campus] and have them remove the kid? Busting him in the face wasn’t the smartest move. Agreed that she felt threatened and her instinct kicked in, so she obviously wasn’t thinking, but that’s my point. She needed to be thinking. Hauling off and busting on him was a really bad idea.[/quote]

Have you ever had an adrenaline rush from fear for your physical safety?[/quote]

Brother, you have no idea the wacky shit I’ve been involved in, especially in my younger days. But, I AM NOT A 64 YEAR OLD TEACHER BEING YELLED AT BY A MENTALLY CHALLENGED 17 YEAR OLD.[/quote]

Then why do you feel qualified to judge what is a threatening situation to her?

I am a woman of the same height, lesser weight (but a few years younger) and I know how I would react from real life experience and this is the reaction of a threatened woman.[/quote]

When have I said that that wasn’t threatening? I’m sure she was scared shitless, but as my previous post addresses, she presumably had more logical options before it got to the point of busting him in the face.[/quote]

Why does she presumably have more options? Especially if the kid is mentally challenged, that makes it even more likely that he flipped his lid spontaneously. Not that we even know if the kid is mentally challenged.

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[quote]angus_beef wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]angus_beef wrote:
Lol… i get the impression people viewed my post as a defense for the kid when i clearly stated what this kid did was wrong. I am NOT saying what this kid did was right, i am saying what the teacher did was wrong.
[/quote]

No the teacher was absolutely right. The law agrees too. I’m not really sure what the argument is. In what way does her actions not qualify as self-defense?

I said before and I’ll repeat, if I’m in the situation I am throwing punches without hesitation.[/quote]

By all means if you feel threatened defend yourself. I just don’t think teachers should punch students in the face, it could have been handled differently. This isn’t a street situation. We haven’t seen the entire video but i question whether the teacher was legitimately intimidated by this kid. She seemed to have handled herself well.

To me, a logically response for someone who is truly terrified would be to leave the room the moment the student left his seat.

I quoted brother chris because his sole argument was based on the fact that this teacher was a woman which is weak… & his response further reiterated that. Then because i decide to be level headed i suddenly don’t open doors for women or i let them walk all over me.

I’m saying what if it was a smaller male teacher being aggressively approached by a bigger female student and he punched her in the face because he felt threaten? Basically some here are saying this would not be ok solely based on gender and not the individuals perceived fear of danger. This doesn’t make sense to me.[/quote]

So what you’re saying is that a woman, because they are ‘equal’ to man, should be allowed to be backed into a corner by someone yelling at them and showing, even in a short film, aggression and aggravation and the possibility of battery and assault?

Well, first that isn’t a sound or valid argument. If you read the rest of the article, I’m sure you’ll see that he already broke a rule, and became angry because he was told to goto the principal’s office, and walked across the classroom towards the teacher and produced enough of a reaction to have a cell phone pulled out to video tape it. And, as he got close he leaned toward her verbally assaulting her…no…no reason someone should think they might need to defend themselves when they back up and hit a wall…

About the women comment, women are equal in certain instances…morally and in justice. And all else they are not equal, they are usually higher in terms of dignity. You do not do that to a woman.

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Not to mention, the teacher has a good history. Recent former teacher of the year and good standing with most of her students. The evidence that we know doesn’t suggest that the teacher did any sort of instigating or wrong to lead to this. Also, the student chose to make a physical escalation with the menacing gait and posture and backing the woman into a corner. Regardless of circumstances that might have led to this, she was still defending herself.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Not at all. just providing personal experience. My “mid 90’s post office” line was said in jest, but those posts kinda proved one of my points. The world is dangerous, and it has nothing to do with chronological progression. But, there needs to be preventative measures taken and/or established before things escelate to that point. Like I said earlier, there’s no way what happened in that classroom was their first altercation. As soon as the kid has been in trouble more than once in that class, someone needs to keep an eye on the situation. And, if the kid has mental problems as the article suggests, he doesn’t need to be in that class in the first place.[/quote]

You are speculating that there is a history there…there may or may not be, and its really irrelevant as it is not really on the topic…the teacher can’t remove the student from the class–that would have to be done at a higher pay grade than hers…so what is she supposed to do? Endure verbal and physical abuse and intimidation because someone else didn’t do their job?

I just don’t see how anyone can think the teacher did anything except the right thing in this situation…She handled the situation extremely well IMO…in hindsight, maybe pushing the kid back instead of decking him may have been a better option, but when a much weaker person is put in an intimidating and potentially dangerous situation such as this, I think that is very forgiveable…I doubt she had time and clear thinking to weigh all her options and balance out the pros and cons–she reacted instinctively because she was placed in a situation where that is natural…[/quote]

Of course it’s speculation, but things like that generally don’t just happen unless there’s some sort of history. And, as I said earlier she was standing in a doorway. Why not open the door, go grab a security guard or officer [ I know some schools have actual police officers on campus] and have them remove the kid? Busting him in the face wasn’t the smartest move. Agreed that she felt threatened and her instinct kicked in, so she obviously wasn’t thinking, but that’s my point. She needed to be thinking. Hauling off and busting on him was a really bad idea.[/quote]

Have you ever had an adrenaline rush from fear for your physical safety?[/quote]

Brother, you have no idea the wacky shit I’ve been involved in, especially in my younger days. But, I AM NOT A 64 YEAR OLD TEACHER BEING YELLED AT BY A MENTALLY CHALLENGED 17 YEAR OLD.[/quote]

Including the fact that he’s mentally challenged/ill/unstable/whatever is absolutely absurd thinking that that’s a reason she shouldn’t have hit him.

All things being equal, a person who’s mentally unstable is far more dangerous than someone who’s level headed.[/quote]

You’re right, I shouldn’t have included that. But, I still think she should’ve handled herself better and not allowed it to get to that point. We only saw, what, 20 seconds? The student with the camera phone started recording ‘cause she saw something was potentially gonna go down. That takes time to develop. And, in that time she coulda’ walked out the door and gotten help instead of punching her student in the face.[/quote]

You ignored this fact in my earlier post: whether or not it should have escalated to that point or not, IT DID.

If you want to argue what “should have” happened… argue that the fuckwit student should not have been a fuckwit student to begin with, because that would have avoided him being punched in his deserving fucking face.[/quote]

If it’s as simple as “IT DID” then there wouldn’t be 4+ pages of discussion. And, I have already said that if the kid has problems or if there were altercations before this then he should’ve been removed from that particular class with that teacher.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
And, as I said earlier she was standing in a doorway. Why not open the door, go grab a security guard or officer [ I know some schools have actual police officers on campus] and have them remove the kid?[/quote]

SECURITY OFFICER? Are you paying attention to what you are saying? You have previously ridiculed Professor X as a fat doctor simply because he pointed out that a majority of schools have metal detectors (and yes, a majority now do now. I am a freaking public school teacher with 10 years experience; I have taught in rural and suburban schools, so I have some kind of EXPERIENCE with this shit, you, apparently, do not). If kids weren’t a threat to each other or teachers, why, the hell would schools need security guards and police in the schools, not to mention metal detectors, permanetly locked doors, security cameras, emergency phones/intercoms, and the like)?

Dude, you are clueless. I have taught some kids that were batshit crazy. I taught a kid, a cocky, arrogant, mean, back-talking, disrespectful student, who was eventually arrested for shoving a broom up some 11 year-old’s ass. I taught a kid who single-handedly kicked the ass of 14 rival-school wrestlers (or so the police report said), and was sent to a juvenile detention center for that and attempted suicide. I’ve had kids that came to school drunk, and bragged about it during lunch. I’ve seen star football players get away with nearly murder (I am only partly exaggerating that) by purposely intimidating certain (female) teachers. I even witnessed a wrestling heavyweight (a good, strong, athletic HWT, not the common fat-body that seems to populate the wieght-class) throw a teacher through a glass door. The administration will do nothing to these kids, in part because they are scared of them, too (and their parents…God forbid you criticize little Johnny for complaining to his teacher). NOTHING.

“She needed to be thinking.” What planet are you on? Human’s react to stressful situations in one of two ways: fight or flight. When humans are cornered, and percieve no escape route, they instinctually react by fighting. Its human nature. She was acting with her ingrained survival instinct, as it was meant to be applied. You are asking this woman to violate human nature. It appears to me that you are arguing that because she is handicapped by her profession (a teacher), she is not allowed to respond to a perceived dangerous situation the way any normal human being would.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Not at all. just providing personal experience. My “mid 90’s post office” line was said in jest, but those posts kinda proved one of my points. The world is dangerous, and it has nothing to do with chronological progression. But, there needs to be preventative measures taken and/or established before things escelate to that point. Like I said earlier, there’s no way what happened in that classroom was their first altercation. As soon as the kid has been in trouble more than once in that class, someone needs to keep an eye on the situation. And, if the kid has mental problems as the article suggests, he doesn’t need to be in that class in the first place.[/quote]

You are speculating that there is a history there…there may or may not be, and its really irrelevant as it is not really on the topic…the teacher can’t remove the student from the class–that would have to be done at a higher pay grade than hers…so what is she supposed to do? Endure verbal and physical abuse and intimidation because someone else didn’t do their job?

I just don’t see how anyone can think the teacher did anything except the right thing in this situation…She handled the situation extremely well IMO…in hindsight, maybe pushing the kid back instead of decking him may have been a better option, but when a much weaker person is put in an intimidating and potentially dangerous situation such as this, I think that is very forgiveable…I doubt she had time and clear thinking to weigh all her options and balance out the pros and cons–she reacted instinctively because she was placed in a situation where that is natural…[/quote]

Of course it’s speculation, but things like that generally don’t just happen unless there’s some sort of history. And, as I said earlier she was standing in a doorway. Why not open the door, go grab a security guard or officer [ I know some schools have actual police officers on campus] and have them remove the kid? Busting him in the face wasn’t the smartest move. Agreed that she felt threatened and her instinct kicked in, so she obviously wasn’t thinking, but that’s my point. She needed to be thinking. Hauling off and busting on him was a really bad idea.[/quote]

Have you ever had an adrenaline rush from fear for your physical safety?[/quote]

Brother, you have no idea the wacky shit I’ve been involved in, especially in my younger days. But, I AM NOT A 64 YEAR OLD TEACHER BEING YELLED AT BY A MENTALLY CHALLENGED 17 YEAR OLD.[/quote]

Then why do you feel qualified to judge what is a threatening situation to her?

I am a woman of the same height, lesser weight (but a few years younger) and I know how I would react from real life experience and this is the reaction of a threatened woman.[/quote]

When have I said that that wasn’t threatening? I’m sure she was scared shitless, but as my previous post addresses, she presumably had more logical options before it got to the point of busting him in the face.[/quote]

Why does she presumably have more options? Especially if the kid is mentally challenged, that makes it even more likely that he flipped his lid spontaneously. Not that we even know if the kid is mentally challenged. [/quote]

Dude, we’re dancing in circles. I’ve addressed all of this stuff several times now. If someone has time to break out a phone, go to the camera function, go to the camcorder setting and start recording a heated situation, then the teacher had time to walk to the door, open it and go get help. That was the smartest move, and I don’t think that’s debatable. But, she didn’t and now we’re arguing about it.

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[quote]TSpoon wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]TSpoon wrote:
As a citizen of a Country where the right to carry a gun wasn’t the second most important thing on our founder’s minds when they wrote up our constitution,I can’t say that I have experience with this mindset of a constant need to defend myself.I can however,put myself in the shoes of the kid in the video from an unbiased point of veiw.About a week ago a teacher at my high school repeatedly shoved one of my buddies for blowing a goal horn during a ball-hockey game.A year or so past a teacher swung at a kid (in a law class none the less) for throwing bits of eraser a him.While the teacher in the video is obviously not that kind of ass-hole(it says she was voted teacher of the year last year)there were definately other options for her to pursue. Many of you have stated that she “was backed into a corner,up against a door”.she could’ve OPENED the DOOR and left the class room to get help from more capable teachers.she also could’ve pushed him back instead punching him twice in the face.

It says in the article that the kid licked a window.WTF? if you silly americans weren’t so concerned with beating your kids you might realize that there is something wrong with this kid.he needs to see a doctor.going back to those examples of teacher induced violence i mentioned earlier,the kid has probably developped a very anti-authority figure attitude from past experiences with douche-bag teachers who didn’t do much to help him with his problems.sorry to go on for so long but it seems like most of you can’t see the real problem here.kids all over the world have new mental health sicknesses(not helped by getting your face kicked in by your parents-hhmmmm aren’t you brave eh ?)and problems that old fashioned teachers can’t deal with appropriately.she’s 64,its time she retires.[/quote]

I’ve seen a lot of Canadians on TV and even know a couple of them in real life, and you sir, are not a very good Canadian.

See that? I can make broad assumptions about an entire country through minimal exposure too!

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See that’s just it.Americans are content staying in their own country thinking they rule the world.I’m at least half your age and i’ve been to 3 continents and 9 countries.I have a much broader veiw of the world because my country’s education system isn’t so self centred as to only teach cirriculum concerning my own country’s interests.I’ve studied american history and been to your country 4 times.It’s depressing to see the poverty that exists in plain sight while you confidently vote for politicians that spend trillions fighting in wars that don’t even concern them.You’d be surprised at how much a young person like myself a can know and experience.well,not in america anyways.[/quote]

See that’s just it. Canadians are content with taking just what they know thinking they rule the world. I’m Catholic and that means Universal…I think universally…therefore I am right and you’re wrong. First, the teacher defended herself from a possible battery and assault. Second, she was a woman and him, even as a boy, should not act like that towards a woman.

Case closed.

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[quote]TSpoon wrote:
Because Guns are for pussies,I hope you know that.
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Lol…wut?

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[quote]defenderofTruth wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
And, as I said earlier she was standing in a doorway. Why not open the door, go grab a security guard or officer [ I know some schools have actual police officers on campus] and have them remove the kid?[/quote]

SECURITY OFFICER? Are you paying attention to what you are saying? You have previously ridiculed Professor X as a fat doctor simply because he pointed out that a majority of schools have metal detectors (and yes, a majority now do now. I am a freaking public school teacher with 10 years experience; I have taught in rural and suburban schools, so I have some kind of EXPERIENCE with this shit, you, apparently, do not). If kids weren’t a threat to each other or teachers, why, the hell would schools need security guards and police in the schools, not to mention metal detectors, permanetly locked doors, security cameras, emergency phones/intercoms, and the like)?

Dude, you are clueless. I have taught some kids that were batshit crazy. I taught a kid, a cocky, arrogant, mean, back-talking, disrespectful student, who was eventually arrested for shoving a broom up some 11 year-old’s ass. I taught a kid who single-handedly kicked the ass of 14 rival-school wrestlers (or so the police report said), and was sent to a juvenile detention center for that and attempted suicide. I’ve had kids that came to school drunk, and bragged about it during lunch. I’ve seen star football players get away with nearly murder (I am only partly exaggerating that) by purposely intimidating certain (female) teachers. I even witnessed a wrestling heavyweight (a good, strong, athletic HWT, not the common fat-body that seems to populate the wieght-class) throw a teacher through a glass door. The administration will do nothing to these kids, in part because they are scared of them, too (and their parents…God forbid you criticize little Johnny for complaining to his teacher). NOTHING.

“She needed to be thinking.” What planet are you on? Human’s react to stressful situations in one of two ways: fight or flight. When humans are cornered, and percieve no escape route, they instinctually react by fighting. Its human nature. She was acting with her ingrained survival instinct, as it was meant to be applied. You are asking this woman to violate human nature. It appears to me that you are arguing that because she is handicapped by her profession (a teacher), she is not allowed to respond to a perceived dangerous situation the way any normal human being would.[/quote]

Are you one of PX’s alternate accounts? Students throwing teachers through glass doors? 11 year olds getting sodomized with broom sticks? One kid “single handedly” beating up FOURTEEN wrestlers? None of this making the news? Once again, most schools don’t have metal detectors. Most schools DO have security guards or police. You need help with that?

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Not at all. just providing personal experience. My “mid 90’s post office” line was said in jest, but those posts kinda proved one of my points. The world is dangerous, and it has nothing to do with chronological progression. But, there needs to be preventative measures taken and/or established before things escelate to that point. Like I said earlier, there’s no way what happened in that classroom was their first altercation. As soon as the kid has been in trouble more than once in that class, someone needs to keep an eye on the situation. And, if the kid has mental problems as the article suggests, he doesn’t need to be in that class in the first place.[/quote]

You are speculating that there is a history there…there may or may not be, and its really irrelevant as it is not really on the topic…the teacher can’t remove the student from the class–that would have to be done at a higher pay grade than hers…so what is she supposed to do? Endure verbal and physical abuse and intimidation because someone else didn’t do their job?

I just don’t see how anyone can think the teacher did anything except the right thing in this situation…She handled the situation extremely well IMO…in hindsight, maybe pushing the kid back instead of decking him may have been a better option, but when a much weaker person is put in an intimidating and potentially dangerous situation such as this, I think that is very forgiveable…I doubt she had time and clear thinking to weigh all her options and balance out the pros and cons–she reacted instinctively because she was placed in a situation where that is natural…[/quote]

Of course it’s speculation, but things like that generally don’t just happen unless there’s some sort of history. And, as I said earlier she was standing in a doorway. Why not open the door, go grab a security guard or officer [ I know some schools have actual police officers on campus] and have them remove the kid? Busting him in the face wasn’t the smartest move. Agreed that she felt threatened and her instinct kicked in, so she obviously wasn’t thinking, but that’s my point. She needed to be thinking. Hauling off and busting on him was a really bad idea.[/quote]

Have you ever had an adrenaline rush from fear for your physical safety?[/quote]

Brother, you have no idea the wacky shit I’ve been involved in, especially in my younger days. But, I AM NOT A 64 YEAR OLD TEACHER BEING YELLED AT BY A MENTALLY CHALLENGED 17 YEAR OLD.[/quote]

Then why do you feel qualified to judge what is a threatening situation to her?

I am a woman of the same height, lesser weight (but a few years younger) and I know how I would react from real life experience and this is the reaction of a threatened woman.[/quote]

When have I said that that wasn’t threatening? I’m sure she was scared shitless, but as my previous post addresses, she presumably had more logical options before it got to the point of busting him in the face.[/quote]

Why does she presumably have more options? Especially if the kid is mentally challenged, that makes it even more likely that he flipped his lid spontaneously. Not that we even know if the kid is mentally challenged. [/quote]

Dude, we’re dancing in circles. I’ve addressed all of this stuff several times now. If someone has time to break out a phone, go to the camera function, go to the camcorder setting and start recording a heated situation, then the teacher had time to walk to the door, open it and go get help. That was the smartest move, and I don’t think that’s debatable. But, she didn’t and now we’re arguing about it.[/quote]

We don’t know if it was the kind of camera phone that all you have to do is press a button on the side and it starts recording. You’re making another baseless assumption. Regardless of that, there’s reason to believe the teacher is not ineffectual or incompetent based on her past as a teacher.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Not at all. just providing personal experience. My “mid 90’s post office” line was said in jest, but those posts kinda proved one of my points. The world is dangerous, and it has nothing to do with chronological progression. But, there needs to be preventative measures taken and/or established before things escelate to that point. Like I said earlier, there’s no way what happened in that classroom was their first altercation. As soon as the kid has been in trouble more than once in that class, someone needs to keep an eye on the situation. And, if the kid has mental problems as the article suggests, he doesn’t need to be in that class in the first place.[/quote]

You are speculating that there is a history there…there may or may not be, and its really irrelevant as it is not really on the topic…the teacher can’t remove the student from the class–that would have to be done at a higher pay grade than hers…so what is she supposed to do? Endure verbal and physical abuse and intimidation because someone else didn’t do their job?

I just don’t see how anyone can think the teacher did anything except the right thing in this situation…She handled the situation extremely well IMO…in hindsight, maybe pushing the kid back instead of decking him may have been a better option, but when a much weaker person is put in an intimidating and potentially dangerous situation such as this, I think that is very forgiveable…I doubt she had time and clear thinking to weigh all her options and balance out the pros and cons–she reacted instinctively because she was placed in a situation where that is natural…[/quote]

Of course it’s speculation, but things like that generally don’t just happen unless there’s some sort of history. And, as I said earlier she was standing in a doorway. Why not open the door, go grab a security guard or officer [ I know some schools have actual police officers on campus] and have them remove the kid? Busting him in the face wasn’t the smartest move. Agreed that she felt threatened and her instinct kicked in, so she obviously wasn’t thinking, but that’s my point. She needed to be thinking. Hauling off and busting on him was a really bad idea.[/quote]

Have you ever had an adrenaline rush from fear for your physical safety?[/quote]

Brother, you have no idea the wacky shit I’ve been involved in, especially in my younger days. But, I AM NOT A 64 YEAR OLD TEACHER BEING YELLED AT BY A MENTALLY CHALLENGED 17 YEAR OLD.[/quote]

Then why do you feel qualified to judge what is a threatening situation to her?

I am a woman of the same height, lesser weight (but a few years younger) and I know how I would react from real life experience and this is the reaction of a threatened woman.[/quote]

When have I said that that wasn’t threatening? I’m sure she was scared shitless, but as my previous post addresses, she presumably had more logical options before it got to the point of busting him in the face.[/quote]

Why does she presumably have more options? Especially if the kid is mentally challenged, that makes it even more likely that he flipped his lid spontaneously. Not that we even know if the kid is mentally challenged. [/quote]

Dude, we’re dancing in circles. I’ve addressed all of this stuff several times now. If someone has time to break out a phone, go to the camera function, go to the camcorder setting and start recording a heated situation, then the teacher had time to walk to the door, open it and go get help. That was the smartest move, and I don’t think that’s debatable. But, she didn’t and now we’re arguing about it.[/quote]

You sound like someone who has ZERO experience with the educational system in this country.

There is no one for these teachers to ,magically send the kid away to. They either go see the principal or they sit in your class room…and no, they are not afraid of seeing the principal because he won’t do shit anyway but maybe call their parents…who will side with the kid no matter what.

The crap you are writing makes no sense unless you are now for putting security guards in all class rooms…and maybe you can take all of that money you got paid for looking so amazingly developed to help pay for that.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Are you one of PX’s alternate accounts? Students throwing teachers through glass doors? 11 year olds getting sodomized with broom sticks? One kid “single handedly” beating up FOURTEEN wrestlers? None of this making the news? Once again, most schools don’t have metal detectors. Most schools DO have security guards or police. You need help with that?[/quote]

Logic fail.

If they NEED security guards and police why would a teacher feel so safe in an environment as to think her life was not literally at risk?

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Not at all. just providing personal experience. My “mid 90’s post office” line was said in jest, but those posts kinda proved one of my points. The world is dangerous, and it has nothing to do with chronological progression. But, there needs to be preventative measures taken and/or established before things escelate to that point. Like I said earlier, there’s no way what happened in that classroom was their first altercation. As soon as the kid has been in trouble more than once in that class, someone needs to keep an eye on the situation. And, if the kid has mental problems as the article suggests, he doesn’t need to be in that class in the first place.[/quote]

You are speculating that there is a history there…there may or may not be, and its really irrelevant as it is not really on the topic…the teacher can’t remove the student from the class–that would have to be done at a higher pay grade than hers…so what is she supposed to do? Endure verbal and physical abuse and intimidation because someone else didn’t do their job?

I just don’t see how anyone can think the teacher did anything except the right thing in this situation…She handled the situation extremely well IMO…in hindsight, maybe pushing the kid back instead of decking him may have been a better option, but when a much weaker person is put in an intimidating and potentially dangerous situation such as this, I think that is very forgiveable…I doubt she had time and clear thinking to weigh all her options and balance out the pros and cons–she reacted instinctively because she was placed in a situation where that is natural…[/quote]

Of course it’s speculation, but things like that generally don’t just happen unless there’s some sort of history. And, as I said earlier she was standing in a doorway. Why not open the door, go grab a security guard or officer [ I know some schools have actual police officers on campus] and have them remove the kid? Busting him in the face wasn’t the smartest move. Agreed that she felt threatened and her instinct kicked in, so she obviously wasn’t thinking, but that’s my point. She needed to be thinking. Hauling off and busting on him was a really bad idea.[/quote]

Have you ever had an adrenaline rush from fear for your physical safety?[/quote]

Brother, you have no idea the wacky shit I’ve been involved in, especially in my younger days. But, I AM NOT A 64 YEAR OLD TEACHER BEING YELLED AT BY A MENTALLY CHALLENGED 17 YEAR OLD.[/quote]

Including the fact that he’s mentally challenged/ill/unstable/whatever is absolutely absurd thinking that that’s a reason she shouldn’t have hit him.

All things being equal, a person who’s mentally unstable is far more dangerous than someone who’s level headed.[/quote]

You’re right, I shouldn’t have included that. But, I still think she should’ve handled herself better and not allowed it to get to that point. We only saw, what, 20 seconds? The student with the camera phone started recording ‘cause she saw something was potentially gonna go down. That takes time to develop. And, in that time she coulda’ walked out the door and gotten help instead of punching her student in the face.[/quote]

You ignored this fact in my earlier post: whether or not it should have escalated to that point or not, IT DID.

If you want to argue what “should have” happened… argue that the fuckwit student should not have been a fuckwit student to begin with, because that would have avoided him being punched in his deserving fucking face.[/quote]

If it’s as simple as “IT DID” then there wouldn’t be 4+ pages of discussion. And, I have already said that if the kid has problems or if there were altercations before this then he should’ve been removed from that particular class with that teacher.[/quote]

There wouldn’t be 4+ pages of discussion on this topic if you weren’t here spouting off your ridiculous arguments.

And re: your second point of him being removed from the class, yes, he should have, but that’s not up to her - that’s up to administration. If you’re so sure there were previous altercations (which, for the record, I don’t disagree with), do you honestly think the teacher didn’t try to get him out of her class? I’d be willing to bet this teacher didn’t want him in her classroom, and if it were up to her, he wouldn’t be. However, like I said earlier, that’s not the case. The case is that he was in her classroom threatened her through actions, and she took care of it.

You know those situations where you’re right but EVERYONE else around you is wrong? Chances are the ‘right’ person is, indeed, wrong.

Re-read this thread with outside eyes.

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I think it’s funny that people are accusing me of not knowing what I’m talking about when they don’t even know that most large public schools have several security guards or cops employed and all have a button in their classrooms to summon said enforcement. Lamar high school in Houston Texas has no metal detectors, but had both security guards and cops on campus and they could be called in at the drop of the hat. And, Lamar is a 5A school that has had some pretty wacky shit go down in it.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I think it’s funny that people are accusing me of not knowing what I’m talking about when they don’t even know that most large public schools have several security guards or cops employed and all have a button in their classrooms to summon said enforcement. Lamar high school in Houston Texas has no metal detectors, but had both security guards and cops on campus and they could be called in at the drop of the hat. And, Lamar is a 5A school that has had some pretty wacky shit go down in it.[/quote]

Dude, I knew you weren’t that bright a long time ago…but still harping on metal detectors is just making it look like you need assisted living.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Not at all. just providing personal experience. My “mid 90’s post office” line was said in jest, but those posts kinda proved one of my points. The world is dangerous, and it has nothing to do with chronological progression. But, there needs to be preventative measures taken and/or established before things escelate to that point. Like I said earlier, there’s no way what happened in that classroom was their first altercation. As soon as the kid has been in trouble more than once in that class, someone needs to keep an eye on the situation. And, if the kid has mental problems as the article suggests, he doesn’t need to be in that class in the first place.[/quote]

You are speculating that there is a history there…there may or may not be, and its really irrelevant as it is not really on the topic…the teacher can’t remove the student from the class–that would have to be done at a higher pay grade than hers…so what is she supposed to do? Endure verbal and physical abuse and intimidation because someone else didn’t do their job?

I just don’t see how anyone can think the teacher did anything except the right thing in this situation…She handled the situation extremely well IMO…in hindsight, maybe pushing the kid back instead of decking him may have been a better option, but when a much weaker person is put in an intimidating and potentially dangerous situation such as this, I think that is very forgiveable…I doubt she had time and clear thinking to weigh all her options and balance out the pros and cons–she reacted instinctively because she was placed in a situation where that is natural…[/quote]

Of course it’s speculation, but things like that generally don’t just happen unless there’s some sort of history. And, as I said earlier she was standing in a doorway. Why not open the door, go grab a security guard or officer [ I know some schools have actual police officers on campus] and have them remove the kid? Busting him in the face wasn’t the smartest move. Agreed that she felt threatened and her instinct kicked in, so she obviously wasn’t thinking, but that’s my point. She needed to be thinking. Hauling off and busting on him was a really bad idea.[/quote]

Have you ever had an adrenaline rush from fear for your physical safety?[/quote]

Brother, you have no idea the wacky shit I’ve been involved in, especially in my younger days. But, I AM NOT A 64 YEAR OLD TEACHER BEING YELLED AT BY A MENTALLY CHALLENGED 17 YEAR OLD.[/quote]

Including the fact that he’s mentally challenged/ill/unstable/whatever is absolutely absurd thinking that that’s a reason she shouldn’t have hit him.

All things being equal, a person who’s mentally unstable is far more dangerous than someone who’s level headed.[/quote]

You’re right, I shouldn’t have included that. But, I still think she should’ve handled herself better and not allowed it to get to that point. We only saw, what, 20 seconds? The student with the camera phone started recording ‘cause she saw something was potentially gonna go down. That takes time to develop. And, in that time she coulda’ walked out the door and gotten help instead of punching her student in the face.[/quote]

You ignored this fact in my earlier post: whether or not it should have escalated to that point or not, IT DID.

If you want to argue what “should have” happened… argue that the fuckwit student should not have been a fuckwit student to begin with, because that would have avoided him being punched in his deserving fucking face.[/quote]

If it’s as simple as “IT DID” then there wouldn’t be 4+ pages of discussion. And, I have already said that if the kid has problems or if there were altercations before this then he should’ve been removed from that particular class with that teacher.[/quote]

There wouldn’t be 4+ pages of discussion on this topic if you weren’t here spouting off your ridiculous arguments.

And re: your second point of him being removed from the class, yes, he should have, but that’s not up to her - that’s up to administration. If you’re so sure there were previous altercations (which, for the record, I don’t disagree with), do you honestly think the teacher didn’t try to get him out of her class? I’d be willing to bet this teacher didn’t want him in her classroom, and if it were up to her, he wouldn’t be. However, like I said earlier, that’s not the case. The case is that he was in her classroom threatened her through actions, and she took care of it.

You know those situations where you’re right but EVERYONE else around you is wrong? Chances are the ‘right’ person is, indeed, wrong.

Re-read this thread with outside eyes.[/quote]

Good Lord man. All I’m saying is she handled it wrong. That’s my opinion. But, she handled it the way she handled it, and it’s done. More power to her.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I think it’s funny that people are accusing me of not knowing what I’m talking about when they don’t even know that most large public schools have several security guards or cops employed and all have a button in their classrooms to summon said enforcement. Lamar high school in Houston Texas has no metal detectors, but had both security guards and cops on campus and they could be called in at the drop of the hat. And, Lamar is a 5A school that has had some pretty wacky shit go down in it.[/quote]

Dude, I knew you weren’t that bright a long time ago…but still harping on metal detectors is just making it look like you need assisted living.[/quote]

Are you looking for nude pics or something? Can’t do that 'cause it’s not the way I swing, but maybe I can send you an autographed pic or something. You sure seem to be pretty interested in everything I write. Oh, I made money 'cause I’m lean and handsome, not 'cause I’m super jacked.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I think it’s funny that people are accusing me of not knowing what I’m talking about when they don’t even know that most large public schools have several security guards or cops employed and all have a button in their classrooms to summon said enforcement. Lamar high school in Houston Texas has no metal detectors, but had both security guards and cops on campus and they could be called in at the drop of the hat. And, Lamar is a 5A school that has had some pretty wacky shit go down in it.[/quote]

I remember seeing in the news a murder in a New Caney high school. A student drove a screwdriver through the skull of another and extinguished there life. How did the teacher know that this wasn’t going to happen to her? And I have never seen or heard about these buttons. I’m not saying they don’t exist, but I seriously doubt they’re common. How do you know that the teacher had an opportunity to call for help?

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I think it’s funny that people are accusing me of not knowing what I’m talking about when they don’t even know that most large public schools have several security guards or cops employed and all have a button in their classrooms to summon said enforcement. Lamar high school in Houston Texas has no metal detectors, but had both security guards and cops on campus and they could be called in at the drop of the hat. And, Lamar is a 5A school that has had some pretty wacky shit go down in it.[/quote]

I remember seeing in the news a murder in a New Caney high school. A student drove a screwdriver through the skull of another and extinguished there life. How did the teacher know that this wasn’t going to happen to her? And I have never seen or heard about these buttons. I’m not saying they don’t exist, but I seriously doubt they’re common. How do you know that the teacher had an opportunity to call for help?[/quote]

The only button in my mom’s classroom is one that connects you with the front office…and that is up at the front of the classroom next to the speaker system (PA system). It is by no means easy to get to and is not used “in case of an emergency” like that. By the time you talked to the secretary and had her contact someone, you would be dead.

But hey, what do I know…I just grew up watching this over decades.