Teacher Punches Student

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[quote]TD54 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
What made this confrontation “violent” was the teacher taking swings at this kid. [/quote]

Assuming you are not full of shit, which I have no reason to believe you are, you HAVE to be aware it is very unlikely this woman has been in even .01% of the violent situations you have.

The fact that you see the situation the way you do is based on your personal experience.

Now if you honestly think a “teacher of the year” didn’t do what she thought was the correct thing leading up to the point where the video kicks in, then you are assuming inconsistently. You have made a ton of assumptions throughout your argument, but never once have you taken the time to assume she HAD already exhausted every other option.

I got my wife’s droid on “video” mode in less than 3 seconds, btw. High Def video in 3 seconds.

That kid threatened that woman. If you can’t see that, it is because of your fucked up experiences in life. He threatened someone half his size. The fucking legal system agrees she was okay to react the way she did.

You, a reject from canada that thinks 4 fucking family vacations makes him a world expert, and this Td person are the only people that see this situation differently.

You have alluded to the fact that you behaved similarly to this guy in the video, is that why you have to cling to this ridiculous notion that the woman was wrong in her action?[/quote]

I believe what this situation really comes down to is whether or not hitting this kid will have taught him a better lesson than going to get help. I don’t know the answer to that, but certainly there is nothing wrong with her behaving like an adult and going to get help, is there?[/quote]

No it’s not.

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[quote]TD54 wrote:
I believe what this situation really comes down to is whether or not hitting this kid will have taught him a better lesson than going to get help. I don’t know the answer to that, but certainly there is nothing wrong with her behaving like an adult and going to get help, is there?[/quote]

That’s not it at all.

It comes down to what the best thing she should have done to guarantee her safety. It has absolutely nothing to do with teaching him a lesson.

And we are saying that it is unrealistic to expect her to open the door and leave after he got into her face. It does not allow her to defend herself if he had intent to harm.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
How many different times do I have to say that I recognize she was threatened?[/quote]

Oh, you can say it all you want, but you don’t mean it. If you truly believed it, you wouldn’t be so adamant that her fight response was out of line.

How you can expect someone, not conditioned to this type of behavior, to only behave in one particular manor? Honest question. If she has little experience with this type of violence, and I’m speculating here, which you love to do so you shouldn’t have an issue, how can you expect her not to react on instinct?

Are you only willing to assume and speculate to support your argument and ignore the other side?

Fair enough

You again assume the situation was anymore than:

*Jonny ginger licks window
Teacher: Jonny go to the office, get windex, clean the window.
Jonny: “Fuck you cunt”
*Jonny ginger get up and threatens teacher.

What would that take? 12 seconds?

No, she reacted based on instinct. Put in a situation where she had a second to react, she had a fight reflex rather than flight.

I only remember BG and Deb speaking like this… If I said that I would be surprised.

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[quote]TD54 wrote:
I believe what this situation really comes down to is whether or not hitting this kid will have taught him a better lesson than going to get help. I don’t know the answer to that, but certainly there is nothing wrong with her behaving like an adult and going to get help, is there?[/quote]

A) that kid is a lost cause. He will be lucky to have 3 teeth and pump gas for a living.

B) She did act like an adult. A scared adult that felt she had no other option.

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Also, the courts agree that she didn’t “act like a fucking child”.

Lawyers & judges are typically more educated and sophisticated than a bunch of meat-heads arguing on the internet. Their opinion on the matter shouldn’t be ignored.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Also, the courts agree that she didn’t “act like a fucking child”.

Lawyers & judges are typically more educated and sophisticated than a bunch of meat-heads arguing on the internet. Their opinion on the matter shouldn’t be ignored.[/quote]

Lawyer’s fees… another hassle that twirp inflicted on his teacher.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Also, the courts agree that she didn’t “act like a fucking child”.

Lawyers & judges are typically more educated and sophisticated than a bunch of meat-heads arguing on the internet. Their opinion on the matter shouldn’t be ignored.[/quote]

Lawyer’s fees… another hassle that twirp inflicted on his teacher.[/quote]

Offtopic:

One client’s brother-in-law: 200,000 retainer, 400,000 in add’l fees, 600,000 in penalties from treasury department, awaiting Tax fraud case and jail time.

That is about 100k more than the amount he was failing to report in a foreign account.

Moral of the story, file your fucking FBAR and claim your foreign income.

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I guess this comes down to what you think is a reasonable assumption in the minutes (or seconds) leading up to this. I get the position of the other side, which is that there was an extended verbal altercation prior; that would give the teacher a chance to contemplate her options. And that’s certainly possible, but it’s not what I believe happened. My assumption is that this escalated too quickly for the teacher to think to leave the room, and it looked to me that the kid was up and in her face within seconds of being reprimanded, thus my position. It just seems to much of a utopian what if otherwise, IMO.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
How many different times do I have to say that I recognize she was threatened?[/quote]

Oh, you can say it all you want, but you don’t mean it. If you truly believed it, you wouldn’t be so adamant that her fight response was out of line.

How you can expect someone, not conditioned to this type of behavior, to only behave in one particular manor? Honest question. If she has little experience with this type of violence, and I’m speculating here, which you love to do so you shouldn’t have an issue, how can you expect her not to react on instinct?

Are you only willing to assume and speculate to support your argument and ignore the other side?

Fair enough

You again assume the situation was anymore than:

*Jonny ginger licks window
Teacher: Jonny go to the office, get windex, clean the window.
Jonny: “Fuck you cunt”
*Jonny ginger get up and threatens teacher.

What would that take? 12 seconds?

No, she reacted based on instinct. Put in a situation where she had a second to react, she had a fight reflex rather than flight.

I only remember BG and Deb speaking like this… If I said that I would be surprised. [/quote]

Are you really going to tell me what I do or don’t believe? This is astounding. There’s honestly no point in my arguing further. A bunch of people here think it’s perfectly acceptable for a grown woman to punch a kid in the face 'cause he got close enough to smell what she ate for breakfast, when there were probably [I said probably, y’all] better options. Have fun with that.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Also, the courts agree that she didn’t “act like a fucking child”.

Lawyers & judges are typically more educated and sophisticated than a bunch of meat-heads arguing on the internet. Their opinion on the matter shouldn’t be ignored.[/quote]

I don’t know. Those “meat-heads” probably look better with their shirt off and/or lift more than the judge hence they are more qualified to comment on points of law. C’mon Beans, try to keep up man.

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[quote]Bellmar wrote:

[quote]TD54 wrote:
I believe what this situation really comes down to is whether or not hitting this kid will have taught him a better lesson than going to get help. I don’t know the answer to that, but certainly there is nothing wrong with her behaving like an adult and going to get help, is there?[/quote]

That’s not it at all.

It comes down to what the best thing she should have done to guarantee her safety. It has absolutely nothing to do with teaching him a lesson.

And we are saying that it is unrealistic to expect her to open the door and leave after he got into her face. It does not allow her to defend herself if he had intent to harm.[/quote]

WhiteFlash is arguing that it is not appropriate for an adult role model like her to hit the kid in the face. He is NOT arguing that walking away would have guaranteed her more safety, because nothing happened to her after she punched the kid, so OBVIOUSLY she guaranteed her safety, because the situaition has already happened and we already know the outcome.

So if YOU are talking about what would have been the best decision for her to guarantee her safety, then i agree with you, because the situation already happened, lol. I tihnk you’re the only one arguing that point. This thread defnitely isn’t about that.

Now if you want to talk about a situation similar to this that could happen in the future, then, IMO, hitting her in the face is not the best decision to ensure her safety.

I don’t see how walking out of the door to the next classroom is putting her in more danger than hitting him in the face? By walking out you are saying that he could attack her when she’s not looking or something? He could, but i’d argue that that is MUCH less likely to happen than when she hits him in the face, lol.

Two kids are about to get in a fight. One is SIGNIFICANTLY bigger and stronger than the other, as in this case. The bigger kid walks up to the little one, face to face in a threatening manner similar to this situation. You are the little kid…

Choice A: remain as calm as possible to not provoke a fight, turn around and walk away from the situation.

Choice B: Hit the kid in the face once, and then hope that will neutralize the situation…

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

Are you really going to tell me what I do or don’t believe? This is astounding. [/quote]

No, actually I’m trying to say I think you’re full of shit. You can say you believe something, but I think you are lying your ass off. I think you are siding with this kid because of reasons I’m not going to speculate on here.

Look, do I wish she didn’t punch the kid? Yeah. Do I give someone who won “teacher of the year” benefit of the doubt over some fucking window licking ginger? Yeah.

You, for some reason, insist that this woman react in a manor that YOU approve of, even though many many many reasonable people agree she was well within her rights to react to the situation.

Do you honestly think the courts would have dropped the case if the entire class testified that the teacher had 10 mins of back and forth to handle the situation?

including the court system.

Look, don’t get butthurt. You wanted an intelligent conversation, and now your pissed because I don’t agree with you? I get where you are coming from, I’m just curious how you got to that position and am trying to figure out wtf you’re thinging…

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Also, the courts agree that she didn’t “act like a fucking child”.

Lawyers & judges are typically more educated and sophisticated than a bunch of meat-heads arguing on the internet. Their opinion on the matter shouldn’t be ignored.[/quote]

I am agreeing with the lawyers decision. What would make you think i am not in agreement with them? She acted in self defense. All WH was saying (i think?), is that leaving to go get help and diffuse the situation would have been a better choice than hitting the kid. “Better” in the sense that it is the more adult/mature thing to do. Not better in the sense that it would have kept her more safe, because she hit him and didn’t get touched. That’s about as safe as it gets. Nobody can argue that leaving would have guaranteed her more safety, and i don’t think anyone is…

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Look, do I wish she didn’t punch the kid? Yeah. Do I give someone who won “teacher of the year” benefit of the doubt over some fucking window licking ginger? Yeah.

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Bro, i think we all agree here… Is it possible that we have been arguing over something we all agree about? I think we call that a misunderstanding

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[quote]TD54 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Look, do I wish she didn’t punch the kid? Yeah. Do I give someone who won “teacher of the year” benefit of the doubt over some fucking window licking ginger? Yeah.

[/quote]

Bro, i think we all agree here… Is it possible that we have been arguing over something we all agree about? I think we call that a misunderstanding[/quote]

Dude, if we all want a kumbiya moment, and want to hug this shit out, lets all make fun of the people who stopped using soap in the V-Diet get a life section.

Fucking hippies…

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I can’t tell if you are serious or not.

Edit:
Unfortunately you are.

It’s like a whole 'nother world over there.

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[quote]TD54 wrote:
I believe what this situation really comes down to is whether or not hitting this kid will have taught him a better lesson than going to get help. I don’t know the answer to that, but certainly there is nothing wrong with her behaving like an adult and going to get help, is there?[/quote]

Not only is that NOT what it really comes down to, but even if it was, you’re still wrong.

Lets assume it WAS about teaching him a lesson.

You think the teacher going to grab a security guard to bring him to the principals office is going to teach him MORE of a lesson than getting punched in the fucking face?

You’ve got to be kidding me.

I’m all for diffusing the situation by being the bigger man and walking away and all that jazz, but think about this logically for a second:

If WhiteFlash’s assumption of “there were previous altercations” between the two, do you honestly think they went unreported? Of course not, they had to have been reported. Do you think the kid was not reprimanded by being spoken to or whatever the fuck administration does?

A whole lot of good that did if he still doesn’t mind calling a teacher a cunt and getting in her face despite all of those “mature” punishments he received.

Now that he’s been called out on his facade of being a big bad “window licking ginger” (fucking LOL, beans) with a punch to the jaw, you think he’s going to pull this shit again?

Probably not. Even if he hasn’t learned and DOES pull this shit again, he’ll know that’ he better walk the walk if he’s going to talk the talk.

“What it really comes down to” is that if this kid is going to learn his lesson, a punch to the face is going to do a better job of teaching it to him than a trip to the principals office - which, as stated before, isn’t going to do shit for legal reasons.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]TD54 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Look, do I wish she didn’t punch the kid? Yeah. Do I give someone who won “teacher of the year” benefit of the doubt over some fucking window licking ginger? Yeah.

[/quote]

Bro, i think we all agree here… Is it possible that we have been arguing over something we all agree about? I think we call that a misunderstanding[/quote]

Dude, if we all want a kumbiya moment, and want to hug this shit out, lets all make fun of the people who stopped using soap in the V-Diet get a life section.

Fucking hippies…[/quote]

Yeah we can all touch each other if you want. ALL HOMO.

Oh, and fuck hippies

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]TD54 wrote:
I believe what this situation really comes down to is whether or not hitting this kid will have taught him a better lesson than going to get help. I don’t know the answer to that, but certainly there is nothing wrong with her behaving like an adult and going to get help, is there?[/quote]

Not only is that NOT what it really comes down to, but even if it was, you’re still wrong.

Lets assume it WAS about teaching him a lesson.

You think the teacher going to grab a security guard to bring him to the principals office is going to teach him MORE of a lesson than getting punched in the fucking face?

You’ve got to be kidding me.

I’m all for diffusing the situation by being the bigger man and walking away and all that jazz, but think about this logically for a second:

If WhiteFlash’s assumption of “there were previous altercations” between the two, do you honestly think they went unreported? Of course not, they had to have been reported. Do you think the kid was not reprimanded by being spoken to or whatever the fuck administration does?

A whole lot of good that did if he still doesn’t mind calling a teacher a cunt and getting in her face despite all of those “mature” punishments he received.

Now that he’s been called out on his facade of being a big bad “window licking ginger” (fucking LOL, beans) with a punch to the jaw, you think he’s going to pull this shit again?

Probably not. Even if he hasn’t learned and DOES pull this shit again, he’ll know that’ he better walk the walk if he’s going to talk the talk.

“What it really comes down to” is that if this kid is going to learn his lesson, a punch to the face is going to do a better job of teaching it to him than a trip to the principals office - which, as stated before, isn’t going to do shit for legal reasons.[/quote]

I doubt him getting punched in the face really taught him a lesson. If he got his ass beat, yes, but he didn’t. He got hit in the face, and now probably hates teachers more than ever. I’m doubting he is thinking “wow, i was being a real jerk, getting hit in the face definitely taught me a lesson.” This is speculation though, because obviously i don’t know what decision would have taught the kid a better lesson, and neither do you. Getting that altercation on video though, no doubt has gotten the kid expelled, with or without being hit in the face. That in itself doesn’t do much of anything, but it will bring attention to what he is doing. Hopefully his parents/guardians throw the kid in a correctional school where his behavior won’t be tolerated.

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[quote]angus_beef wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
If I was in that room, and seen such disrespect of a woman. Even without physical contact from him I would have bull rushed him and put him up against the wall for merely disrespect of a woman and disrespect for his elders.

There is no room for such disrespect, I don’t care that she’s a teacher or in a position of authority, the fact that she is a woman is reason enough.[/quote]

HAHA… laughable … In domestic violence cases police officers tend to arrest both individuals in same sex partnerships (female) 50 percent of the time. However, if the couple is a man and a woman, the woman gets arrested less the 1 percent of the time… It’s because the majority of people think the way you do.

What if the teacher was male? … Would the same principal apply?

How about if a male teacher punched another student in the face? Perhaps a female student.

What if this guy was your son? …Do you expect that when you send your kids to school that they’re being punched in the face by teachers?

We all deserve respect but no one is obligated to respect anyone, so why would anyone use force to implement something which isn’t unlawful?

If i’m walking down the street and someone walks up to me and calls me a bitch, do i then have the right to punch them in the face? The law allows us to use equal force to protect ourselves. Therefor if someone punches me in the face i am not protected under the law if i shot that individual. I cannot physically abuse someone who verbally abuses me.

Anyways i think because it’s a younger guy and an older woman most people have bias opinions on the incident. Not saying what the guy did was right but the severity of the action should not be gender dependent. Several students act like idiots… are we now giving teachers the ok to implement vigilante justice ? … Just food for thought.

By the way, in a civil lawsuit there is absolutely no question that the teacher and the school is fucked.
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You have a perverted misunderstanding of the law. Simply put, your legal premises are wrong, and therefore your conclusions cannot be correct. If someone is physically menacing you, and speaking aggressively or threateningly, the law does not require you to suffer an assault before you can defend yourself. If you REASONABLY believe your safety is at issue, you can take a reasonable response to defend yourself.

I am not moved by the fact that she is a woman, but the fact that she IS a woman, much smaller, much older, does bear directly on the legal analysis here. In this instance, her physical standing is (and therefore reasonable fear for her safety) IS different than a male teacher. These things are not evaluated in a vacuum.

Furthermore, if my kid did that to a teacher, I’d kick his ass too. And I’d have no complaints to the school either.