[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
With point 6, Texas teachers are not allowed to unionize so they don’t even have that.[/quote]
I know…I currently work with a bunch of Texans. Increasingly, I am getting Texas envy. No state income tax, no teachers unions, I could go on…
[quote]TSpoon wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote] TSpoon wrote:
The thing is bud,I used to look like you(well,not poerlifter fat, but still fat) i cut my body fat from 30 to 13 in 8 months and now weigh in at around 200 lbs.And if you come watch me train for rugby you’d realize you don’t have to be fat to be strong.BTW nice knowlegde of teen txt grammer-can you say pedophile anyone ?[/quote]
This coming from the guy who in his limited time on this site has posted the following gems:
[quote]TSpoon wrote:
I’m looking into getting my hands on some of Biotest’s Carbolin 19 sometime soon.I’ve got a few questions for anyone who uses it/is firmiliar with the supplement.
1:is it a steroid?(obvi. not by pro standards but is it considered one?)
…
Gotta stay natural and all[/quote]
Going crazy on synergy for suggesting he not be so lazy (bipolar much)
and this from his training log:
[quote]TSpoon wrote:
5’9
170 lbs
15-16% BF
(i know that may be small to most people on here but in august i was 210 with 30% BF so since i’ve cut quite a bit i’ll probably try and bulk up during the summer)
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You say you have been training for a year now in one of your other posts, but you are still doing deadlifts with 185 and DB Bench with the 40’s? You are a joke dude…and you’ve gone from being a weak fat ass to a weak skinny-fatass…and you’ve managed to gain 30 pounds in the 2 months since you started your training log, while dropping bodyfat from 15-16% down to 12???congratulations…no wonder you are so obsessed with another dude’s bodyfat levels and diet–i see this phenomenon a lot in people that used to be fat as shit and aren’t anymore (but are still weak as fuck)…
Get out of this thread…
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Bravo,you clearly have the mental capacities of a super-genius to gain acess to my previous posts.
In regards to Carbolin 19,the article on it compared its affects to anvanar and other steroids and I just wanted to clarify whether or not it was in fact a steroid.Nice job editing my post BTW
I see you’re another idiot with his nose so far up synergy’s ass he can only see him as being completely right in every situation.
how many times can you DL that weight in your pic before you have to sit down and take a break-once maybe twice before your fat-ass friends catch you and pass you a BigMac to chew on before your next lift? Theres a lot more to fitness than lifting something once(which is what you’re good at) at being able to maintain intense physical efforts over 80 minutes(the length of the rugy games i play in) how fast can you run 100 metres(have you ever in your life) and how many pull-ups can you do before your fat-ass falls on the floor gasping for air like,well like a power-lifter.GTFO bud[/quote]
Troll/Idiot
Ignored
[quote]TD54 wrote:
I wouldn’t have got in the face of a teacher either. So let me rephrase. Think ok the kids you knew growing up that were as confrontational as this kid. Would it be better for a teach to push her way out the door to get help or hit the kid in the face. Of the kids i knew, hitting them in the face would have been a HORRIBLE idea for a 64 year old woman.[/quote]
I would have responded the same way this kid’s classmate did: pulled him away out of respect for the teacher.
I’d say that 90% of the kids I really knew growing up wouldn’t have gotten in the teacher’s face to begin with. They may have been assholes in class, but I can’t picture anyone I really knew doing that. The other ten would have ran out of the room to the Principal’s office, saying “Ms. So and So hit me for licking a window!” (To which my elementary school principal would say to them “What were you doing licking a window?”, and my high school VP, whose nickname was Satan, would have said the same thing…then again, I was lucky with my school administrators.)
[quote]TD54 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]TD54 wrote:
If you were a kid in middle school and you got in your teachers face in a threatening way, would there be a greater chance of you beating his/her ass before or after she hit you?
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Stupid question, fucking moronic…
I was raised correctly, and would have never “got in the face” of a teacher.
What the fuck is wrong with some of you?
Also, lol guys, stop arguing with an 18 year old troll that thinks he knows everything.[/quote]
I wouldn’t have got in the face of a teacher either. So let me rephrase. Think ok the kids you knew growing up that were as confrontational as this kid. Would it be better for a teach to push her way out the door to get help or hit the kid in the face. Of the kids i knew, hitting them in the face would have been a HORRIBLE idea for a 64 year old woman.[/quote]
Depends on the kid. Some of them would have backed down the second their facade was broken, just like in this case. But again, this ignores the reality of this situation. Without speculating about the minutes leading up to this incident, all we can assume is what we see: a rapid escalation of conflict where a frightened woman at a massive physical disadvantage is backed into a corner. I still don’t see how you can argue that this person in this situation should be expected to remain calm.
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
[quote]TD54 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]TD54 wrote:
If you were a kid in middle school and you got in your teachers face in a threatening way, would there be a greater chance of you beating his/her ass before or after she hit you?
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Stupid question, fucking moronic…
I was raised correctly, and would have never “got in the face” of a teacher.
What the fuck is wrong with some of you?
Also, lol guys, stop arguing with an 18 year old troll that thinks he knows everything.[/quote]
I wouldn’t have got in the face of a teacher either. So let me rephrase. Think ok the kids you knew growing up that were as confrontational as this kid. Would it be better for a teach to push her way out the door to get help or hit the kid in the face. Of the kids i knew, hitting them in the face would have been a HORRIBLE idea for a 64 year old woman.[/quote]
Depends on the kid. Some of them would have backed down the second their facade was broken, just like in this case. But again, this ignores the reality of this situation. Without speculating about the minutes leading up to this incident, all we can assume is what we see: a rapid escalation of conflict where a frightened woman at a massive physical disadvantage is backed into a corner. I still don’t see how you can argue that this person in this situation should be expected to remain calm.[/quote]
I agree, definitely depends on the kid, but in my opinion, a kid who is approaching a teacher in a threatening way like that, is only going to be angered further after she hits him.
And i’m not arguing that she should be expected to remain calm, however i do believe remaining calm giver her better chances of making it out of there without getting her ass beat.
Initially, i thought the argument was whether or not hitting the kid was the best decision. WhiteFlash said it probably wasn’t and I agree based on the points i made above. To me, being at such a physical disadvantage, as you said, means that you probably want to do everything in your power to not let the situation get physical.
Example… If Ron Artest (lol) was in my face threatening me, the best move for me BY FAR would be to get the hell out of there and get help if at all possible. If i was backed into a corner with the door right next to me, you can bet your ass i’d be getting out of that door to grab help. That would give me the best chance of getting out of that situation safely. Hitting him with one jab is definitely not my best option haha
[quote]defenderofTruth wrote:
[quote]TSpoon wrote:
As a citizen of a Country where the right to carry a gun wasn’t the second most important thing on our founder’s minds when they wrote up our constitution,I can’t say that I have experience with this mindset of a constant need to defend myself.I can however,put myself in the shoes of the kid in the video from an unbiased point of veiw.About a week ago a teacher at my high school repeatedly shoved one of my buddies for blowing a goal horn during a ball-hockey game.A year or so past a teacher swung at a kid (in a law class none the less) for throwing bits of eraser a him.While the teacher in the video is obviously not that kind of ass-hole(it says she was voted teacher of the year last year)there were definately other options for her to pursue. Many of you have stated that she “was backed into a corner,up against a door”.she could’ve OPENED the DOOR and left the class room to get help from more capable teachers.she also could’ve pushed him back instead punching him twice in the face.
It says in the article that the kid licked a window.WTF? if you silly americans weren’t so concerned with beating your kids you might realize that there is something wrong with this kid.he needs to see a doctor.going back to those examples of teacher induced violence i mentioned earlier,the kid has probably developped a very anti-authority figure attitude from past experiences with douche-bag teachers who didn’t do much to help him with his problems.sorry to go on for so long but it seems like most of you can’t see the real problem here.kids all over the world have new mental health sicknesses(not helped by getting your face kicked in by your parents-hhmmmm aren’t you brave eh ?)and problems that old fashioned teachers can’t deal with appropriately.she’s 64,its time she retires.[/quote]
You sound like some of the kids I have taught: self-centered, sanctimonious, and well, annoyingly so. However, out of good faith, assuming that a constructive conversation can be had (alas, that is not always the case on these forums), and respecting that internet impressions aren’t always correct (perhaps you are not the self-centered, sanctimonious high schooler you have presented in your post), I will rebut your “analysis” of the comments and the situation:
Point 1: the Second Amendment was put in place due to the experience with the British confiscating weapons that colonists needed 1) to defend themselves from American Indians, and 2) hunt for their food. The British were essentially depriving the colonists of their ability to defend themselves and provide sustenance. The framers of the Constitution were acting under the premise that “All men were endowed by the Creator with certain unalienable rights, namely: LIFE, liberty, and happiness.” If you were educated, as you say, in American history, this would have been painfully obvious to you. You are only showing your lack of knowledge in this regard.
Point 2: the Second Amendment and the right for citizens of the Unites States to defend themselves and provide for their families is irrelevant to the discussion of a teacher who, when threatened, responded via a natural instinct to fight back. No commenter mentioned the Second Amendment, even in passing. Your use of it to sound superior is illogical, and does not help with the image you have painted yourself (i.e. self-centered, sanctimonious teen-age twit). Unless, of course, you are wishing to demonstrate that Americans, who “cling to the god and guns” as our president is so keen on saying derisively of 65% of his electorate, are inherently violent, and it is only because of our obsession with guns that we are so violent. If that is your reasoning, I rebut with a fact that you either don’t know or choose to ignore: a staggering majority (approaching 90%)of gun crimes in the US are committed with illegally obtained guns (which is easily verifiable by a quick internet search). In addition, the most violent cities in the US tend to be the ones with more strict gun laws.
Point 3: As a parent and a teacher I will state that our “obsession” with beating our kids is not why this child is the way he is. The cause of his behavior is strongly rooted in his homelife. Increasingly, parents in the US are abandoning their kids to impersonal institutions like daycares (but, when 47,000 of the 57,000 our government “created” in April are McDonald’s jobs, and fuel prices continue to rise, its understandable for some). In many cases, in order to relieve the guilt of not spending time with their kid, the parents give them free rein to do what they will…and defend them the whole way (“There is no way, sir, that my Johnny [name was changed to protect the innocent] could ever have written that, its just not like him.” To which I responded, “Ma’am, I admire your concern for your son, BUT I SAW HIM WRITE THE WORDS!!”). So, it is not the obsession with beating our kids that causes twits like this, it is the self-centeredness and obsession with self-gratification that causes this.
Point 4: The point about the window is that the teacher requested the student to clean it, which the student immediately refused and continued a menacing tirade of derogatory comments with no provocation. It is obvious that the student is acting out for attention, possibly from his classmates, or from the teacher. Students, in my experience, who lash out for attention do not get it at home, from their parents or siblings. In this case, it is likely that school has tried to intervene, but any intervention must be approved by the parents…if they don’t see any problem, then the student remains the way he is…until he assaults someone (or like this situation, almost assaults someone), then he gets forced intervention.
Point 5: It is highly unlikely that the teachers you described would cause such an overt disrespect for authority. In my experience (which includes dealing with numerous teachers and students on a yearly basis), it is more likely that the young man has a disrespect for women teachers (possibly out of his history with an absentee mother…I’ve seen it happen numerous times).
Point 6: The teachers you described, in my experience, would have been terminated almost immediately. In fact, when I heard that this teacher was supported by her district (suspended with pay is a sign of support…suspended without pay means you’re screwed), I was shocked. Districts in the US are more and more willing to throw a teacher under the bus for less than what you described. The only groups defending teachers like the ones you described are the state and national teachers’ unions (and the NJEA, of which I was a member for a year).
Point 7: Age has nothing to do with a teacher’s ability to cope with adversity in the classroom. At 64, she is demonstrating a love for her job and her students. Being named “teacher of the year” means that she is not an “old fashioned” teacher, it reflects her ability to adapt with the times and with her students. Often, teachers who are older (not the crotchety fogeys that count down till retirement, but those that are excited for each day and only retire because they have to) are better at dealing with adversity in the classroom. Something about “with age comes wisdom”.
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This was a pleasure to read.
WF seems to not understand that getting in someone’s face in a threatening manner warrents the use of violence in self defense. There are many reasonable, well written posts in this thread aimed at explaining this to him, but to no avail. In his (what I believe to be warped) opinion, the teacher should have magically prevented this confrontation from occurring.
Also, where the hell were the other guys in class? I don’t pretend to be fucking Galahad like Brother Chris, but at my old school, I know that THE OTHER STUDENTS would have never allowed this to happen. As soon as he got up to confront her, the other guys would have insured that things didn’t get out of hand.
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
[quote]TD54 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]TD54 wrote:
If you were a kid in middle school and you got in your teachers face in a threatening way, would there be a greater chance of you beating his/her ass before or after she hit you?
[/quote]
Stupid question, fucking moronic…
I was raised correctly, and would have never “got in the face” of a teacher.
What the fuck is wrong with some of you?
Also, lol guys, stop arguing with an 18 year old troll that thinks he knows everything.[/quote]
I wouldn’t have got in the face of a teacher either. So let me rephrase. Think ok the kids you knew growing up that were as confrontational as this kid. Would it be better for a teach to push her way out the door to get help or hit the kid in the face. Of the kids i knew, hitting them in the face would have been a HORRIBLE idea for a 64 year old woman.[/quote]
Depends on the kid. Some of them would have backed down the second their facade was broken, just like in this case. But again, this ignores the reality of this situation. Without speculating about the minutes leading up to this incident, all we can assume is what we see: a rapid escalation of conflict where a frightened woman at a massive physical disadvantage is backed into a corner. I still don’t see how you can argue that this person in this situation should be expected to remain calm.[/quote]
One kid that went to my middle school was very confrontational, as this kid is. Always arguing with teachers. During lunch one day, he took a little bit of pizza from this girl, she got pissed through a bit of milk on him, the next tihng you know, he is beating her ass into the ground. If he were the one in that situation with that teacher, hitting him would NOT be advised, lol.
Bellmar, you’re an idiot. I have a scar on my hand from where I was stabbed in a fight. I’ve had a gun[s] pulled on me several times, and been shot at twice that I remember. I’ve been in more fights than anyone you know chances are. There’s a lot more scars and wacky shit I have and have gone through due to gnarley situations. I’m not saying this to sound tough, just explaining that I know more than just about anyone about violent confrontations. What made this confrontation “violent” was the teacher taking swings at this kid. She was standing by a door. Walk out of it before it even gets to that point and get help. She didn’t and we’re still arguing about it. Good for her, she punched him in the face to stand up for her personal space. I still believe she could’ve managed the situation better and it wouldn’t have gotten to that point.
[quote]TSpoon wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]TSpoon wrote:
As a citizen of a Country where the right to carry a gun wasn’t the second most important thing on our founder’s minds when they wrote up our constitution,I can’t say that I have experience with this mindset of a constant need to defend myself.I can however,put myself in the shoes of the kid in the video from an unbiased point of veiw.About a week ago a teacher at my high school repeatedly shoved one of my buddies for blowing a goal horn during a ball-hockey game.A year or so past a teacher swung at a kid (in a law class none the less) for throwing bits of eraser a him.While the teacher in the video is obviously not that kind of ass-hole(it says she was voted teacher of the year last year)there were definately other options for her to pursue. Many of you have stated that she “was backed into a corner,up against a door”.she could’ve OPENED the DOOR and left the class room to get help from more capable teachers.she also could’ve pushed him back instead punching him twice in the face.
It says in the article that the kid licked a window.WTF? if you silly americans weren’t so concerned with beating your kids you might realize that there is something wrong with this kid.he needs to see a doctor.going back to those examples of teacher induced violence i mentioned earlier,the kid has probably developped a very anti-authority figure attitude from past experiences with douche-bag teachers who didn’t do much to help him with his problems.sorry to go on for so long but it seems like most of you can’t see the real problem here.kids all over the world have new mental health sicknesses(not helped by getting your face kicked in by your parents-hhmmmm aren’t you brave eh ?)and problems that old fashioned teachers can’t deal with appropriately.she’s 64,its time she retires.[/quote]
I’ve seen a lot of Canadians on TV and even know a couple of them in real life, and you sir, are not a very good Canadian.
See that? I can make broad assumptions about an entire country through minimal exposure too!
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See that’s just it.Americans are content staying in their own country thinking they rule the world.I’m at least half your age and i’ve been to 3 continents and 9 countries.I have a much broader veiw of the world because my country’s education system isn’t so self centred as to only teach cirriculum concerning my own country’s interests.I’ve studied american history and been to your country 4 times.It’s depressing to see the poverty that exists in plain sight while you confidently vote for politicians that spend trillions fighting in wars that don’t even concern them.You’d be surprised at how much a young person like myself a can know and experience.well,not in america anyways.[/quote]
You are at Most half my age. That would put you at 19, which you are not.
Curriculum, not “cirriculum”.
Your country is in that war too.
At your age my IQ was measured far, far beyond where yours ever will be, even if you cheated on the test.
Maybe they keep sending you away hoping that you will become distracted (as you seem to be apt to do) and maybe not come back.
Look man, I’m not trying to be harsh, but next time that little head of yours gets some big shiny idea about the whole wide world, the people in it, and how Everything works, do us all a favor and start your own thread about it so that your jackassery can be enjoyed for what it is instead of as an aside to something else that is equally ridiculous.(on an international scale too. people from all over the world will be reading it and laughing.)
@whiteflash: You might benefit from taking your own advice there mister.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Bellmar, you’re an idiot. I have a scar on my hand from where I was stabbed in a fight. I’ve had a gun[s] pulled on me several times, and been shot at twice that I remember. I’ve been in more fights than anyone you know chances are. There’s a lot more scars and wacky shit I have and have gone through due to gnarley situations. I’m not saying this to sound tough, just explaining that I know more than just about anyone about violent confrontations. What made this confrontation “violent” was the teacher taking swings at this kid. She was standing by a door. Walk out of it before it even gets to that point and get help. She didn’t and we’re still arguing about it. Good for her, she punched him in the face to stand up for her personal space. I still believe she could’ve managed the situation better and it wouldn’t have gotten to that point.[/quote]
It’s crazy that people can’t even see where you are coming from. I mean they can disagree with you and still understand the points you make. Instead everyone freaks out on you acting like you are a completely irrational idiot, when in reality they’re the ones lacking rational thought. Typical human behavior, and i’m sure i’m guilty of it as well.
Both sides of this argument have made valid points, so c’mon guys, let’s stop acting like WhiteFlash is a 4 year old incable of stringing together a cohesive thought
[quote]TD54 wrote:
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
[quote]TD54 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]TD54 wrote:
If you were a kid in middle school and you got in your teachers face in a threatening way, would there be a greater chance of you beating his/her ass before or after she hit you?
[/quote]
Stupid question, fucking moronic…
I was raised correctly, and would have never “got in the face” of a teacher.
What the fuck is wrong with some of you?
Also, lol guys, stop arguing with an 18 year old troll that thinks he knows everything.[/quote]
I wouldn’t have got in the face of a teacher either. So let me rephrase. Think ok the kids you knew growing up that were as confrontational as this kid. Would it be better for a teach to push her way out the door to get help or hit the kid in the face. Of the kids i knew, hitting them in the face would have been a HORRIBLE idea for a 64 year old woman.[/quote]
Depends on the kid. Some of them would have backed down the second their facade was broken, just like in this case. But again, this ignores the reality of this situation. Without speculating about the minutes leading up to this incident, all we can assume is what we see: a rapid escalation of conflict where a frightened woman at a massive physical disadvantage is backed into a corner. I still don’t see how you can argue that this person in this situation should be expected to remain calm.[/quote]
I agree, definitely depends on the kid, but in my opinion, a kid who is approaching a teacher in a threatening way like that, is only going to be angered further after she hits him.
And i’m not arguing that she should be expected to remain calm, however i do believe remaining calm giver her better chances of making it out of there without getting her ass beat.
Initially, i thought the argument was whether or not hitting the kid was the best decision. WhiteFlash said it probably wasn’t and I agree based on the points i made above. To me, being at such a physical disadvantage, as you said, means that you probably want to do everything in your power to not let the situation get physical.
Example… If Ron Artest (lol) was in my face threatening me, the best move for me BY FAR would be to get the hell out of there and get help if at all possible. If i was backed into a corner with the door right next to me, you can bet your ass i’d be getting out of that door to grab help. That would give me the best chance of getting out of that situation safely. Hitting him with one jab is definitely not my best option haha[/quote]
I’m trying to figure out where you all think “help” is that it would get to her before this kid did.
Even if there is a guard on campus, it is usually ONE and he is usually not standing right outside the door of that specific teacher’s room just in case she calls out. Most are outside or near exit ways if they are there at all.
You are talking about some ideal situation where you even have time to weigh all possible outcomes. Since when do you have all of this time to think in a life or death situation?
You are acting like a referee here when the only question is, did this woman think her life was at risk. If so, then stop worrying about what she COULD have done…because what she did was found to be RIGHT.
[quote]TD54 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Bellmar, you’re an idiot. I have a scar on my hand from where I was stabbed in a fight. I’ve had a gun[s] pulled on me several times, and been shot at twice that I remember. I’ve been in more fights than anyone you know chances are. There’s a lot more scars and wacky shit I have and have gone through due to gnarley situations. I’m not saying this to sound tough, just explaining that I know more than just about anyone about violent confrontations. What made this confrontation “violent” was the teacher taking swings at this kid. She was standing by a door. Walk out of it before it even gets to that point and get help. She didn’t and we’re still arguing about it. Good for her, she punched him in the face to stand up for her personal space. I still believe she could’ve managed the situation better and it wouldn’t have gotten to that point.[/quote]
It’s crazy that people can’t even see where you are coming from. I mean they can disagree with you and still understand the points you make. Instead everyone freaks out on you acting like you are a completely irrational idiot, when in reality they’re the ones lacking rational thought. Typical human behavior, and i’m sure i’m guilty of it as well.
Both sides of this argument have made valid points, so c’mon guys, let’s stop acting like WhiteFlash is a 4 year old incable of stringing together a cohesive thought[/quote]
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LOL
[quote]TD54 wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Bellmar, you’re an idiot. I have a scar on my hand from where I was stabbed in a fight. I’ve had a gun[s] pulled on me several times, and been shot at twice that I remember. I’ve been in more fights than anyone you know chances are. There’s a lot more scars and wacky shit I have and have gone through due to gnarley situations. I’m not saying this to sound tough, just explaining that I know more than just about anyone about violent confrontations. What made this confrontation “violent” was the teacher taking swings at this kid. She was standing by a door. Walk out of it before it even gets to that point and get help. She didn’t and we’re still arguing about it. Good for her, she punched him in the face to stand up for her personal space. I still believe she could’ve managed the situation better and it wouldn’t have gotten to that point.[/quote]
It’s crazy that people can’t even see where you are coming from. I mean they can disagree with you and still understand the points you make. Instead everyone freaks out on you acting like you are a completely irrational idiot, when in reality they’re the ones lacking rational thought. Typical human behavior, and i’m sure i’m guilty of it as well.
Both sides of this argument have made valid points, so c’mon guys, let’s stop acting like WhiteFlash is a 4 year old incable of stringing together a cohesive thought[/quote]
Yeah, I honestly feel like [most] people here are acting like what I’m saying makes no sense and I’m just talking out of my ass. She’s an adult, a teacher at that, and instead of acting rationally she allowed the situation to escalate and punched a kid in the face. Once again, the kid acted like an ass and deserves a beating, but she was not the one to try and give it. It generally takes two for a situation to get out of control, and a 64 year old teacher should know better and handle herself as such.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]TD54 wrote:
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
[quote]TD54 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]TD54 wrote:
If you were a kid in middle school and you got in your teachers face in a threatening way, would there be a greater chance of you beating his/her ass before or after she hit you?
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Stupid question, fucking moronic…
I was raised correctly, and would have never “got in the face” of a teacher.
What the fuck is wrong with some of you?
Also, lol guys, stop arguing with an 18 year old troll that thinks he knows everything.[/quote]
I wouldn’t have got in the face of a teacher either. So let me rephrase. Think ok the kids you knew growing up that were as confrontational as this kid. Would it be better for a teach to push her way out the door to get help or hit the kid in the face. Of the kids i knew, hitting them in the face would have been a HORRIBLE idea for a 64 year old woman.[/quote]
Depends on the kid. Some of them would have backed down the second their facade was broken, just like in this case. But again, this ignores the reality of this situation. Without speculating about the minutes leading up to this incident, all we can assume is what we see: a rapid escalation of conflict where a frightened woman at a massive physical disadvantage is backed into a corner. I still don’t see how you can argue that this person in this situation should be expected to remain calm.[/quote]
I agree, definitely depends on the kid, but in my opinion, a kid who is approaching a teacher in a threatening way like that, is only going to be angered further after she hits him.
And i’m not arguing that she should be expected to remain calm, however i do believe remaining calm giver her better chances of making it out of there without getting her ass beat.
Initially, i thought the argument was whether or not hitting the kid was the best decision. WhiteFlash said it probably wasn’t and I agree based on the points i made above. To me, being at such a physical disadvantage, as you said, means that you probably want to do everything in your power to not let the situation get physical.
Example… If Ron Artest (lol) was in my face threatening me, the best move for me BY FAR would be to get the hell out of there and get help if at all possible. If i was backed into a corner with the door right next to me, you can bet your ass i’d be getting out of that door to grab help. That would give me the best chance of getting out of that situation safely. Hitting him with one jab is definitely not my best option haha[/quote]
I’m trying to figure out where you all think “help” is that it would get to her before this kid did.
Even if there is a guard on campus, it is usually ONE and he is usually not standing right outside the door of that specific teacher’s room just in case she calls out. Most are outside or near exit ways if they are there at all.
You are talking about some ideal situation where you even have time to weigh all possible outcomes. Since when do you have all of this time to think in a life or death situation?
You are acting like a referee here when the only question is, did this woman think her life was at risk. If so, then stop worrying about what she COULD have done…because what she did was found to be RIGHT.[/quote]
It turned out hitting the kid didn’t provoke a response, though it most definitely could have. If a similar situation were to happen again, in my opinion, the best option for this teacher would be to go get help. And we are talking about a scrawny boy here. All the teacher has to do is go next door to one of the male teachers classrooms to get help. And you are correct in saying you don’t have enough time to weigh out all of the possible options and choose the best one. I’m not saying her decision was wrong, however, i am saying that if a situation like this were to happen again, going to get help would be a better choice. In this specific situation, going to go get help, in my opinion, would have been just as good of a solution as hitting the kid, if not better. Hitting the kid seemed to stop his threatening advances. Obviously going next door to a male teachers classroom would have as well
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
What made this confrontation “violent” was the teacher taking swings at this kid. [/quote]
Assuming you are not full of shit, which I have no reason to believe you are, you HAVE to be aware it is very unlikely this woman has been in even .01% of the violent situations you have.
The fact that you see the situation the way you do is based on your personal experience.
Now if you honestly think a “teacher of the year” didn’t do what she thought was the correct thing leading up to the point where the video kicks in, then you are assuming inconsistently. You have made a ton of assumptions throughout your argument, but never once have you taken the time to assume she HAD already exhausted every other option.
I got my wife’s droid on “video” mode in less than 3 seconds, btw. High Def video in 3 seconds.
That kid threatened that woman. If you can’t see that, it is because of your fucked up experiences in life. He threatened someone half his size. The fucking legal system agrees she was okay to react the way she did.
You, a reject from canada that thinks 4 fucking family vacations makes him a world expert, and this Td person are the only people that see this situation differently.
You have alluded to the fact that you behaved similarly to this guy in the video, is that why you have to cling to this ridiculous notion that the woman was wrong in her action?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
What made this confrontation “violent” was the teacher taking swings at this kid. [/quote]
Assuming you are not full of shit, which I have no reason to believe you are, you HAVE to be aware it is very unlikely this woman has been in even .01% of the violent situations you have.
The fact that you see the situation the way you do is based on your personal experience.
Now if you honestly think a “teacher of the year” didn’t do what she thought was the correct thing leading up to the point where the video kicks in, then you are assuming inconsistently. You have made a ton of assumptions throughout your argument, but never once have you taken the time to assume she HAD already exhausted every other option.
I got my wife’s droid on “video” mode in less than 3 seconds, btw. High Def video in 3 seconds.
That kid threatened that woman. If you can’t see that, it is because of your fucked up experiences in life. He threatened someone half his size. The fucking legal system agrees she was okay to react the way she did.
You, a reject from canada that thinks 4 fucking family vacations makes him a world expert, and this Td person are the only people that see this situation differently.
You have alluded to the fact that you behaved similarly to this guy in the video, is that why you have to cling to this ridiculous notion that the woman was wrong in her action?[/quote]
How many different times do I have to say that I recognize she was threatened? Are people here only reading what they want to read? This is getting ridiculous. No, I said I was a punkass kid. I would never have gotten into a 64 year old womans face and called her a “cunt”. Now, the reason I can assume that she didn’t exhaust every available option was because she was still in the roo, with the door closed, jawing with him. If she had she woulda either been gone or there would’ve been some type of security official in there with them handling the situation accordingly. And, she was wrong in her actions because she’s an adult and acted like a fucking child. It also ammuses me how many people here say “I’da punched him away if he did that to me…” when my personal experience shows that most people wouldn’t have done shit but get yelled at. This site is a riot.
[quote]defenderofTruth wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
With point 6, Texas teachers are not allowed to unionize so they don’t even have that.[/quote]
I know…I currently work with a bunch of Texans. Increasingly, I am getting Texas envy. No state income tax, no teachers unions, I could go on…[/quote]
With Rick Perry and republican super majority, education is taking a hard hit so Perry can say that Texas is fiscally responsible which will help him pander to the far right wingers to have a run as the republican presidential candidate. Education is not the place to cut funding. That’s the future right there. Although, I guess when you can afford to put your kids into private school that doesn’t matter.
Soon enough, Texas’s education system will be as piss poor as Louisiana’s without some sort of intervention. Teachers are having to work more hours, the legislature is trying to make it to where teacher’s pays will be reduced, and there’s also major lay offs of some good teachers due to budget concerns. Insurance premiums are also on the rise. I’m surprised they haven’t tried to tap into teacher’s retirement. At least not yet anyway. What I really love is how ignorant parents will buy into the republican vitriol about the teachers not working hard enough when in reality the teachers and the parent’s kids are the victims in all this.
Since teachers are not allowed to unionize, teachers can’t do anything about it. I understand too much power for unions can be bad, but the opposite can cause harm too. There’s a happy medium.
Other than teaching, do you know of any Texas government jobs suffering like this?
Although, the no state income tax thing is pretty cool. I love the gun and self-defense laws too (stand-your-ground castle doctrine).
Normally I would agree with you in that regard WF. Getting involved in other peoples shit is usually loose/loose.
And, granted, you most likely have far far more experience than I in violent confrontation.
But this is a very specific or controlled situation. An elderly woman is threatened by a larger/stronger male. If I had been sitting in the class I would have known the person I was going up against (at least by reputation) and thus a general understanding of my opposition. I would also know who else in the class would have my back.
That is very different then just jumping into some fight in an alley.
Back to the incident. Yes it is possible that she could have left the room and got help before he got into her face. But we do not have enough information on the circumstances to know if even THAT was reasonable and as such cannot make a judgement.
Once he was in her face though, I think it is silly of you to say that she should have just turned around and left the room. She did not know his intent or if she had enough time to even reach and open the door. You are asking for someone who is in imminent danger of being injured or killed by a larger and stronger person to not react violently. That seems a stretch to me.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
What made this confrontation “violent” was the teacher taking swings at this kid. [/quote]
Assuming you are not full of shit, which I have no reason to believe you are, you HAVE to be aware it is very unlikely this woman has been in even .01% of the violent situations you have.
The fact that you see the situation the way you do is based on your personal experience.
Now if you honestly think a “teacher of the year” didn’t do what she thought was the correct thing leading up to the point where the video kicks in, then you are assuming inconsistently. You have made a ton of assumptions throughout your argument, but never once have you taken the time to assume she HAD already exhausted every other option.
I got my wife’s droid on “video” mode in less than 3 seconds, btw. High Def video in 3 seconds.
That kid threatened that woman. If you can’t see that, it is because of your fucked up experiences in life. He threatened someone half his size. The fucking legal system agrees she was okay to react the way she did.
You, a reject from canada that thinks 4 fucking family vacations makes him a world expert, and this Td person are the only people that see this situation differently.
You have alluded to the fact that you behaved similarly to this guy in the video, is that why you have to cling to this ridiculous notion that the woman was wrong in her action?[/quote]
I believe what this situation really comes down to is whether or not hitting this kid will have taught him a better lesson than going to get help. I don’t know the answer to that, but certainly there is nothing wrong with her behaving like an adult and going to get help, is there?