Since I can’t post in the Livespill, anyone read the new article.
It’s decent from the standpoint of the concept of not being tied to an idea.
And, I’ll even admit the idea of gluten being the devil is probably overstated by many, that said, I think a lot of the US population (read fatties) would do well by eliminating it and other processed foods, and not just subbing in “gluten-free” marketed foods.
BTW- I assume with this article there is no intention to remove wheat from Metabolic Drive?
I likes me my gluten in my breads. That’s the damn protein which causes the texture of the bread. Fatties just need another excuse to jump on to for an excuse for their fat minds, their fat ass, and their fat work ethic. Give me gluten in my foods. What happened to burning more calories than you take in if you want to lose weight, which would fire-start the metabolic system? Gluten is the evil and next the evil will be water. Yeah too much water made me fat and unhealthy. Yeah thats it yeah!
[quote]gorillavanilla wrote:
I likes me my gluten in my breads. That’s the damn protein which causes the texture of the bread. Fatties just need another excuse to jump on to for an excuse for their fat minds, their fat ass, and their fat work ethic. Give me gluten in my foods. What happened to burning more calories than you take in if you want to lose weight, which would fire-start the metabolic system? Gluten is the evil and next the evil will be water. Yeah too much water made me fat and unhealthy. Yeah thats it yeah![/quote]
exactly…people want to blame their physiques on some sort of food group. These seem to be the same people who have never taken bodybuilding seriously enough to weigh out their food and track their macronutrients meticulously.
It’s simple you gain weight when you are in an energy surplus…not because a brownie magically makes you fat.
I think any population would do better, fat or not, if processed foods were cut down in consumption. If we look at the total food market and the companines that produce most of this shit, outside of taste I dont see a reason for it at all. I would like to speak with some of these people from places like Mcdonalds, kellogs etc just to see where their morals are. Do they really think they are putting out a quality product?
As far as the gluten article goes I can only comment on what I have seen and that is I have never seen a person not benefit from going gluten free. Not one. I work for/with Robb wolf and I have seen a lot of people change for the better. I think he has commented that maybe 5 people ever in his experience had no effect from going GF.
[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
I think any population would do better, fat or not, if processed foods were cut down in consumption. If we look at the total food market and the companines that produce most of this shit, outside of taste I dont see a reason for it at all. I would like to speak with some of these people from places like Mcdonalds, kellogs etc just to see where their morals are. Do they really think they are putting out a quality product?
As far as the gluten article goes I can only comment on what I have seen and that is I have never seen a person not benefit from going gluten free. Not one. I work for/with Robb wolf and I have seen a lot of people change for the better. I think he has commented that maybe 5 people ever in his experience had no effect from going GF. [/quote]
that’s cool man, can you elaborate for work for him?
The reality is avoiding gluten could very likely provide benefit and no drawbacks other than missing out on foods that contain it.
I got a saliva test and myself came back negative for gliadin issues, though not sure how accurate saliva testing is.
[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
I think any population would do better, fat or not, if processed foods were cut down in consumption. If we look at the total food market and the companines that produce most of this shit, outside of taste I dont see a reason for it at all. I would like to speak with some of these people from places like Mcdonalds, kellogs etc just to see where their morals are. Do they really think they are putting out a quality product?
As far as the gluten article goes I can only comment on what I have seen and that is I have never seen a person not benefit from going gluten free. Not one. I work for/with Robb wolf and I have seen a lot of people change for the better. I think he has commented that maybe 5 people ever in his experience had no effect from going GF. [/quote]
cool…I made all my best gains with whey protein as my main source of protein and over 550g of carbs a day…a lot of which coming by way of bread, rice, and poptarts.
Great article as usual and I agree with his overall thesis. However, have to nit pick at one thing of course. The gluten statistics… The problem with this is, and I think the point hassleback or whatever the girls’ name is, was trying to make is that this stuff is indam near every packaged food many Americans are eating. Someone mentioned too much processed food in general and I could not agree more.
That is kind of what these anti- gluten people are trying bring to light. If you’re eating cereal in the box for breakfast, bread with your sandwich at lunch, and spaghetti from a box at dinner, even though it’s multi grain, whole grain, and whole wheat, and you assume healthy, you are getting a ton of this shit you don’t even realize is in it, and in those quantities sensitivities or not it’s not good for you.
Again, gluten definitely has become the whipping boy for a population obsessed with packaged food, but statistical “estimates” can be misleading.
Now, the interesting thing- can we be objective, having read that article, and not want to slap the next person crying about whether their dinner plate you serve them contains gluten or not?
[quote]mathew260 wrote:
Great article as usual and I agree with his overall thesis. However, have to nit pick at one thing of course. The gluten statistics… The problem with this is, and I think the point hassleback or whatever the girls’ name is, was trying to make is that this stuff is indam near every packaged food many Americans are eating. Someone mentioned too much processed food in general and I could not agree more. That is kind of what these anti- gluten people are trying bring to light. If you’re eating cereal in the box for breakfast, bread with your sandwich at lunch, and spaghetti from a box at dinner, even though it’s multi grain, whole grain, and whole wheat, and you assume healthy, you are getting a ton of this shit you don’t even realize is in it, and in those quantities sensitivities or not it’s not good for you.
Again, gluten definitely has become the whipping boy for a population obsessed with packaged food, but statistical “estimates” can be misleading.
Now, the interesting thing- can we be objective, having read that article, and not want to slap the next person crying about whether their dinner plate you serve them contains gluten or not? [/quote]
Hey I do my best to avoid gluten, but if someone makes some bread from scratch I’m all in. Im a huge anti gluten person, but I really only suggest it to people bitching about not losing weight, if you’re happy with your weight and goals I could care less what “YOU” do.
I agree with TC, it generally forces people to look at what they are shoving down their gullet by the fist full.
Facko, I have a brother (half really) who rocks an 8-pack year round and you would swear he lives in a gym. Constantly buff and ripped. True freak of nature. He has forever lived off of fast food, poptarts, ice cream, beer, tacos you name it. I want to say, 2xs a month, maybe, he eats a salad. dude is born with it. I believe you are too because I have seen your progression. Some people can handle it like a bad ass.
But, as he approaches 36, things are changing. He has constant joint issues, on par for being type 2, probably can sign him up for ED (even though he banged 5 Saints cheerleaders in 3 months, dude has skillz with the ladies) he knows now that his eating habits are cathing up to him. \
A lot of these dudes who preach gluten is ok, we are all over reacting, the mayans are wrong, are all out of shape themselves as far as I can tell. They are either on, TRT, steroids, or not the idea of fit that we want (shredded and buff) but they claim its not doing them any harm. No one had a problem with TC siting 3 sources, one being himself???, but if you read Taubes, Wolf, Cordain Sission, its pages of research. TC, an editor for an online publication about strong men/supplement company (lets not get it twisted folks)… Or Wolf, 8 biochemist, helped 10s of 1000s of clients, review editor for Journal of Nutrition and Metabolism, etc. I dont even want to list Poliquin’s background, who has his own 4 person research team, who say otherwise of the article we are speaking of…Just saying.
Jehov: I have written some articles for him, been on his podcast and done some research. He was at my Level 1 crossfit cert and I have known him ever since (about 5 years). He has helped me help so many people its crazy.
I’d like to add to the age thing. I will say this first though, I hear it all the time from overweight seniors (wait till you’re our age)… it won’t happen because I do the stuff to prevent the issues they deal with.
That said, I have noticed since turning 21 while I can stay “slim” eating whatever I want, I lose muscle and gain body fat (skinny fat). However, making a few minor dietary changes that are sustainable for me, I can stay relatively lean (not huge by any means).
So, yes age does play a role in metabolism and hormones, where I lived off junk and fast food in HS/early college and stayed rather lean, I can no longer do such (I don’t get overweight though).
[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Facko, I have a brother (half really) who rocks an 8-pack year round and you would swear he lives in a gym. Constantly buff and ripped. True freak of nature. He has forever lived off of fast food, poptarts, ice cream, beer, tacos you name it. I want to say, 2xs a month, maybe, he eats a salad. dude is born with it. I believe you are too because I have seen your progression.[/quote]Did you see Facko’s before pics ?
He and I have chatted through several threads so just what he has posted. Im not going to go look for pictures of another man on a bodybuilding site 
Ive tried the non-gluten thing for about 6 months now.
It definately helps with reducing the intake of processed foods, and hence makes your meals more “healthy”. I think it has made me feel better and eat better. Saying that, I dont mind the occasional pizza and garlic bread once a week after my game.
Im 30 now, have been lucky with decent genetics, but I think as a previous poster said, as you get a little older these little dietary things became a little more important. When I was 20 I was rocking around with a 6 pack, lean as a mofo, eating fast food most days, and getting drunk every weekend to the point where I would pass out. I dont think I could get away with doing that anymore.
Just my 2 cents.
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[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
He and I have chatted through several threads so just what he has posted. Im not going to go look for pictures of another man on a bodybuilding site ;)[/quote]
Lets just say he hasnt always been lean
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I’d like to add to the age thing. I will say this first though, I hear it all the time from overweight seniors (wait till you’re our age)… it won’t happen because I do the stuff to prevent the issues they deal with.
That said, I have noticed since turning 21 while I can stay “slim” eating whatever I want, I lose muscle and gain body fat (skinny fat). However, making a few minor dietary changes that are sustainable for me, I can stay relatively lean (not huge by any means).
So, yes age does play a role in metabolism and hormones, where I lived off junk and fast food in HS/early college and stayed rather lean, I can no longer do such (I don’t get overweight though).[/quote]
That’s me. I was 20 when that started happening. Whoever knew that you could be 5’10", 145lb and have a beer gut lol. That was before I started lifting and knew or cared about diet.
i dont claim to have celiac disease, or even an intolerance. I just feel better when I avoid Gluten products. But for all i know its other ingredients included in products that have Gluten that cause me to feel like crap. Or maybe its all placebo. any way you cut it though the result is i feel better, so i am still going to avoid it.
I think TC’s thing here was that avoiding something and demonizing it are two different animals. There are extremists out there who want to say that gluten is pure evil, that it’s the sole reason we’re breaking down as a species. and that isn’t true. Yes, pretty much everyone can benefit from cutting gluten… but treating yourself to a dinner roll every so often isn’t going to sacrifice your health or your six-pack any.