adal,how nice of you to spend your free time posting here.I was unaware that any of our mental institutions provided internet access to their more mentally
challenged patients.
According to Adal it would have been better to support Saddams opposition and end up with Iran running the show. Great solution. 1)For all the critiques Im still interested in what aspect of American military training encourages killing those that do not represent a threat.
2) Yes, American soldiers certainly made mistakes, and yes they definately made some because they were scared. Kids were bombed and families and children. But, I suppose if Saddam really cared for his people he could have stepped down and avoided the dreaded attack of the evil American war machine or hell, he could have followed the freakin UN resolution, too.
Please point out to me the facts that you have to support your rather far out opinion that US soldiers are trained in the manner you have suggested. Please make sure you are “informed” before stating them as well.
O, and ADAL, what nation are you from? It would certainly help one to understand your cultural viewpoint better.
Your are openly fighting all the building blocks of american culture and nation. The terrorists are those, that support the mistreating of prisoners in Guantanamo, the action against UN - you are thoses who make the country disrespected and hated in the world.
Heroism is not about how often you can say “fuck” or “proud” within a sentence - you have proven that you can do that - but about being strong doing the right things.
Torturing POWs in Guantanamo (and not giving them the rights, america wanted for POWs), killing civilians and fighting without UN approval is wrong.
America introduced values - good ones - and doesnt act on them.
Wow, if Adal is here who’s running hell?
He dodges the nationality question, once again.
Hmmm, let’s see here:
adal: “Your are openly fighting all the building blocks of american culture and nation. The terrorists are those, that support the mistreating of prisoners in Guantanamo, the action against UN - you are thoses who make the country disrespected and hated in the world.”
Me: How precisely is opposing the U.N., insomuch as we can be said to be opposing the U.N. when we were actually enforcing previous U.N. resolutions, going against a building block of the American culture and nation? Firstly, the U.N. is not representative of democratic or republican ideals. The U.N. is not a government representative of the will of the people of the world – the U.N. is a bureaucracy representative of the governments of the world, and many of those governments are despotic. Each of those governments gets just as much say as a democratic republic or parliamentary government that actually reflects the will of its people. How is giving Assad, Castro or Qaddafi the same vote as Poland, Latvia or Brazil consistent with advancing the principles of democracy or republic?
In addition, I once again invite you to produce some sort of world opinion poll to back up your assertions that the world hates the U.S. now moreso than previously. Further, I invite you to demonstrate how the opposition of certain of the governments who were the most vocal opponents of U.S. action was not blatant action in their own self interest, especially given all of the contracts and flouting of the regulations of the U.N. food-for-oil program that have come to light re: France, Russia and Germany.
Lastly, as to mistreating prisoners in Guantanamo, I’m sorry that certain prisoners did not receive as much okra as they would have liked (see: http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-may103102.asp ). We are an awful, awful country to allow such travesties.
adal: “Heroism is not about how often you can say “fuck” or “proud” within a sentence - you have proven that you can do that - but about being strong doing the right things.”
Me: You mean like going in an freeing millions of people from oppression under the rule of a torturing, killing despot? You mean like helping to bring stability to that same area and give the people a voice in their government for the first time? You mean like when overthrowing the dictator, running one of, if not the most, bloodless, in terms of both military and civilian deaths, major campaigns in modern military history?
adal: “Torturing POWs in Guantanamo (and not giving them the rights, america wanted for POWs), killing civilians and fighting without UN approval is wrong.”
Me: Since when, according to the Geneva Convention, which is obviously quite important to you, are non-uniformed combatants who are not part of a military unit or fighting openly as part of a military unit considered prisoners of war? Under the Geneva Convention, non-uniformed combatants who try to hide in the civilian population can be executed immediately, with no trial.
As to killing civilians, please cite to me another major campaign in the modern military era that put as much effort toward avoiding civilian casualties as was put into both the campaign in Afghanistan and the one in Iraq? And this is while Hussein, in stark violation of the Geneva Convention, (and as the Soviets used to do) was putting major military and strategic targets in hospitals, museums and other such areas.
As to fighting without U.N. approval, I do not know of any legal authority by which the U.S. has ceded its national sovereignty, or the Constitutional power of the Congress to declare war, or of the president to command the armed forces, to the U.N. If you are aware of such, please cite the authority.
adal: “America introduced values - good ones - and doesnt act on them.”
Me: Our values, as a society, are not perfect, but they are pretty damn good. And irrespective of what you seem to believe, many of us here and many friends abroad do see what was accomplished in Iraq and Afghanistan as good things that further our good American values.
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what nation are you a citizen of?
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You are driving me nuts with your generalizations?
-How are the prisoners being mistreated? Please elaborate on what exactly you feel is wrong. Now, I for one, feel that we should extend rights we give our citizens to everyone as far as the judicial process, but this is extrememly idealistic and will take time for this ideal to become the reality. (probably not in time for Getmo prisoners) -
“You are those who make the country hated and disrespected in the world” --Adal
- if you are referring to those that use “fuck” and “proud” or maybe you mean blind patriotism, sit here and tell me of one nation that doesnt have this as a part of their population.
- As far as the UN, nobody likes the US being the policemen of the world, but when something goes wrong who do they call? Well lets take the most recent example in Haiti, o thats right, they called us again. For a nation thats all fucked up and no longer follows it ideals, people still seem to think we are the ones to call.
Let the Frogs handle Haiti!
Brahahahahahahaha
Check out this fuckers post in the forums under “Chrises Article” this piece of shit calls himself an “ENEMY” of the U.S., bashes Chris Sugart and he goes on to say how he knows some friends of his who used to love America and now hate it and scream Jihad and fuck each other in the ass. Adal you are no different than those cowards who were responsible for 911. All you do is talk about terrorist shit but dont have the balls to defend your oun country against “Whit America” as you call it.PUSSY! plain and simple.You mock those who defend America yet all you do is run your mouth. Hope you run into some of the National Guard troops who you made fun of and get your ass skull drug down the streets of your terrorist neighborhood.I also hate to break it to your dumb ass but America is filled with other races who are also American and who defend our country against your terrorist bitch heros. How “proud” you must be of your country when you wont even mention it… Ass. This will be my last response to your dumb ass, you have already taken enoug of my and every other T-Men and Womens time.
OOH RAH!
Adal= A whinny bitch
http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html
Interesting, but true?
One can usually judge the “quality” of a nation by how many foreigners are trying to get there and by how many of its’ residents are trying to leave it.
Thats a good point.