Taserin’ is always necessary!
I want to be tasered just to see how it feels. Who wants to taser me?
[quote]USNS physique wrote:
The 2 most responsible cops will be sued and this video is an expose of the tactics used against those who don’t play by the new rules of shut up and listen.
kerry is a pussy loser who rambled while someone who questioned his inaction and falsehood was rushed and electroshocked. It was an easy way for kerry to evade the questions.
these tactics are used all the time at republican events to silence critics and protestors. They have a manual on how to stop anybody who disagrees from even getting into the events.
they cut this kid’s mic and got him out of there when he dared to speak truth to this asshole. The police cannot come in and lay hands on you because you’re asking questions the guest speaker is afraid of.
His speech is constitutionally protected, whether he cut in line or not. The police can’t just say hey sit down because I told you to…this isn’t china. So, these cops are in deep shit.
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He could say what he wanted. He doesn’t have a Constitutional right to the microphone. Nor does he have the Constitutional right to run around like a lunatic in a manner that any professional cop would view as potentially a threat to Kerry. Once he was ordered to leave as a result of his disorderly behavior, he resisted arrest and fought against the cops - they should have tazed him sooner…
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZjgzNTI2ZGE3NTJkNzNmYmVmNDEyMWRmZDBlNGQ3NWI=
The Adventures of Taser Boy
The cops did the right thing.
By Jack Dunphy
There is an axiom in police work that goes something like this: If you have a lawful reason for wanting someone to behave in a certain way, first you ask him, then you tell him, then you make him. In the case of Andrew “Don’t Tase Me, Bro” Meyer, the man now enjoying the waning moments of his Warholian fifteen minutes, the asking and the telling came up shy of the mark for the cops, thus bringing on the making. And the Tasing.
(It’s hard to imagine anyone reading this who hasn’t seen the videos of Meyer and his encounter with University of Florida police officers, but for those who haven�??t, and for those who have but can’t get enough of it, you can see one of the many versions here: - YouTube )
Now the questions arise: Did the police officers at the University of Florida have a lawful reason for wanting Meyer to stop his diatribe and retake his seat or leave the auditorium? If so, did they use reasonable force in trying to make him comply with their demands? The officers have been vilified in many quarters �?? Dick Morris fatuously branded them as “the face of fascism” �?? but I believe the answer to both questions is yes, for reasons I�??ll explain.
First, the officers who confronted and arrested Meyer were not acting on their own initiative. In the video linked above, a man in a suit can be seen standing near the officers. This man is presumably one of the university officials referred to in the arrest report prepared by the officers, and he appears to be in communication with someone across the room and out of frame. When Meyer, already well into his harangue, asks Senator Kerry if he was a member of Skull and Bones while a student at Yale, the man in the suit makes a “cut” sign across his throat, after which the microphone Meyer is using goes dead. The event’s organizers apparently didn’t care to see it hijacked by the likes of Andrew Meyer, and it would seem they were well within their rights to pull the plug on the microphone.
Two officers then approach Meyer and grasp him by his arms, apparently at the behest of school officials. At this point the prudent man would realize he has pushed things a bit too far and retake his seat or leave the theater. But Meyer is not a prudent man, and he takes his theatrics to the next level. He carries on loudly and breaks free from the officers, two more of whom now come into the picture. One of these new officers unholsters a Taser and points it at Meyer but does not fire it. Up until this moment I believe Meyer still may have had the option of leaving without being arrested if he had simply calmed down. But, reveling in the upstaging of a U.S. senator, Meyer continues to rant. The largest of the officers then puts Meyer in a bear hug and pushes him to the back of the room.
And here is where Meyer gives the officers no other option. He breaks free again, shouting, “Get away from me, man!” The officers were now suddenly faced with the prospect of lunatic running loose in the theater while Senator Kerry continued to blather up on the stage. Imagine if Meyer had not been the obnoxious, self-absorbed publicity seeker we now know him to be, but rather someone bent on doing physical harm to Kerry. No police officer worthy of the title would have done anything other than what those cops did, which is put Meyer on the floor in a hurry.
Once on the floor, Meyer continued to resist the officers’ efforts to restrain him. They were able to put a handcuff on one of his wrists but not the other, creating a potentially dangerous situation. If Meyer had been able to get to his feet and flail his arms has he had earlier, the dangling handcuff could have caused serious injury to the officers or any of the spectators nearby. The officers can be heard on the tape warning Meyer that they would use the Taser on him if he continued resisting, but to no avail. Meyer heard the warnings and ignored them, inviting what happened next. They zapped him once, the 50,000-volt charge draining the vinegar right out of him. Meyer was then trundled off and booked for resisting an officer with violence, and for disrupting the function of an educational institution.
The first charge is a felony, but in my experience here in Los Angeles such charges are rarely prosecuted as felonies unless an officer is injured. And the publicity the case has received renders the decision on which charges, if any, to file against Meyer into a political one as much as a legal one. Any trial featuring Meyer in a starring role has a great potential to devolve into the kind of farce seen at his arrest, a scenario few prosecutors would eagerly accept. Look for a face-saving plea bargain to be reached in a month or two. And look for more of the same from an unrepentant Meyer soon thereafter.
�?? Jack Dunphy is an officer in the Los Angeles Police Department. “Jack Dunphy” is the author’s nom de cyber. The opinions expressed are his own and almost certainly do not reflect those of the LAPD management.
That guy didn’t even get close to what he really deserved, how embarassing for UF. I hate Kerry but he handled the situation pretty well. I cant stand liberal spoon fed fucks like this kid. If I was his Father I would really be embarassed
LoL@Boston Barrier posting links to the National Review… You would read that garbage filled TP substitute
I’m 15and I think I hate not only pure right wing politics, but I can’t even look at other leftists and aprove.
Sad.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
The Adventures of Taser Boy
The cops did the right thing.
By Jack Dunphy[/quote]
What he said…
[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
LoL@Boston Barrier posting links to the National Review… You would read that garbage filled TP substitute[/quote]
Actually, the thought of you cutting your anus on such a wonderful publication is quite amusing…
You do realize ad hominem statements don’t constitute a refutation of the points made in the article, right?
it doesn’t matter whether your questions are dumb,in an open forum,you have the right to ask them.
He wasn’t hindering anyone else’s right to ask a question,he wasn’t covering their mouths or hording the microphone.
An officer asking you to do something and telling you to do something is very different.We had a police substation at my highschool and had 4-8 officers there at all times. They asked me to do a variety of things,but I never did because I’m lazy and didn’t have to.When they told me to do something I complied because that is the law.They asked him to leave as they grabbed him and tried to force him out. Personally, I would’ve stood there and asked why they were using force to remove me.They are not supposed to cuff you unless they charge you formally,habeas corpus,which they did not. If I was there I would’ve told the officers they did not have the authority to do what they were. They could pull the terrorist card(the most blatant law to undermine the bill of rights and play dictator),but I highly doubt that would hold up.
He was not tasered(lets spell it right folks,we’re all grown) by one officer,he was tasered by 3. That warrants a girlish scream,and the taser was not needed at all. My dad was in the airforce and has always grabbed the pressure point in my neck or ear and it instantly subdues me,and I’ve used it on others to the same effect. A thumb hold is used by seals all the time,only causes pain when they apply pressure to get their prisoner to cooperate.
I’m dumbfounded how you people think that a taser can’t kill someone when a regular outlet can. Especially when sustained over a few seconds. An outlet shock(which has killed people) lasts maybe one second,if it’s an automated taser,it’s normally 5-30 seconds depending on the make and setting. I wouldn’t call something that could give someone a heart attack/stroke or make their heart explode(it has happened),or cause cns/brain related problems is a more viable option than a cop using a hold.
Now,if the black officer that had him in a bear hug carried him within 5-8 feet of the exit,why put him down there and try to cuff him?He could’ve carried him outside the door and locked it.
To all the people who don’t have a problem with this, I suppose you don’t have a problem with greenspan(the recently retired federal reserve overseer) being incarcerated(said so himself on the interview) just for saying that the united states is heading for a recession by the end of the year. He stated that last november/december. I suppose that was justified?incarceration for expressing an opinion?
http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/9/7/9791e-lolcatsdotcom6n33puk2oz8l1veu.jpg
The bottom line is he called the cop a ‘bro’…
I wish he had a pacemaker.
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[quote]jmwintenn wrote:
it doesn’t matter whether your questions are dumb,in an open forum,you have the right to ask them.
He wasn’t hindering anyone else’s right to ask a question,he wasn’t covering their mouths or hording the microphone.
An officer asking you to do something and telling you to do something is very different.We had a police substation at my highschool and had 4-8 officers there at all times. They asked me to do a variety of things,but I never did because I’m lazy and didn’t have to.When they told me to do something I complied because that is the law.They asked him to leave as they grabbed him and tried to force him out. Personally, I would’ve stood there and asked why they were using force to remove me.They are not supposed to cuff you unless they charge you formally,habeas corpus,which they did not. If I was there I would’ve told the officers they did not have the authority to do what they were. They could pull the terrorist card(the most blatant law to undermine the bill of rights and play dictator),but I highly doubt that would hold up.
He was not tasered(lets spell it right folks,we’re all grown) by one officer,he was tasered by 3. That warrants a girlish scream,and the taser was not needed at all. My dad was in the airforce and has always grabbed the pressure point in my neck or ear and it instantly subdues me,and I’ve used it on others to the same effect. A thumb hold is used by seals all the time,only causes pain when they apply pressure to get their prisoner to cooperate.
I’m dumbfounded how you people think that a taser can’t kill someone when a regular outlet can. Especially when sustained over a few seconds. An outlet shock(which has killed people) lasts maybe one second,if it’s an automated taser,it’s normally 5-30 seconds depending on the make and setting. I wouldn’t call something that could give someone a heart attack/stroke or make their heart explode(it has happened),or cause cns/brain related problems is a more viable option than a cop using a hold.
Now,if the black officer that had him in a bear hug carried him within 5-8 feet of the exit,why put him down there and try to cuff him?He could’ve carried him outside the door and locked it.
To all the people who don’t have a problem with this, I suppose you don’t have a problem with greenspan(the recently retired federal reserve overseer) being incarcerated(said so himself on the interview) just for saying that the united states is heading for a recession by the end of the year. He stated that last november/december. I suppose that was justified?incarceration for expressing an opinion? [/quote]
So you act like a nitwit and everyone else should emulate your behavior. Son you need to grow up.
Greenspan (names are capitalized by the way) was not a Federal Reserve overseer, he was the Chairman of the Federal Reserve. He was also never put in jail for any reason whatsoever, in his life. He expressed his views recently that were negative towards the administration and he was not jailed.
Seriously stop smoking dope and get a job or go to school.
[quote]jmwintenn wrote:
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He wasn’t hindering anyone else’s right to ask a question,he wasn’t covering their mouths or hording the microphone.
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Yes he was. Did you watch the video and read the eyewitness accounts?
[quote]USNS physique wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I wish I could see the video. Some people need to be tasered. I have no idea if this guy was one of them but based on CrewPierces description he may have deserved it.
He did, like CP said, for general jackassery.
I <3 how people twist things and try to make it sound like he quietly asked a question and was assaulted for it.
Go google the U.S. Constitution and cite me the section where it says you must show no emotion, nor ask in frustration and with haste because of the distinct possibility that you will be cut off before you get your questions out. Please, find that section where it also details tonal and volume requirements for questions posed to public officials.
I’ll be waiting for those citatons, and while you are at it, read the 1st amendment a few times and tell me how much that right is worth if when you exercise it you are stopped and removed…thereby your right is circumvented indirectly.
The cops will say that he resisted arrest,and you cannot legally resist an arrest even if its unlawful- so be it. But, you can sue their fat asses off in civil court, and for false arrest, and for violating his 8th amendment rights. They will have to fire these idiot cops just to save face.
It was a shameful response by a bunch of stupid cops.[/quote]
Ok, let’s talk about those rights. A core principal of U.S. government and law is that my rights end where yours begin. Whether something is my right or not, if I use my rights in such a way that they keep you from exercising your rights equally, I’m in the wrong.
That is what this kid did. By not following the civilized procedures of this event, he was infringing on everyone else’s rights of free speech (by supressing anything said to him or against him or in response to him, just as Kerry would start to answer one question, the kid would badger at another, he didn’t really want answers) and right to assembly.
Two, he was first asked to leave, and when he refused to, he was now trespassing. The college did have the right to ask him to leave, they own the property and were sponsoring the event. So, this kid is now infringing upon other’s rights, he is disturbing the peace, and he is trespassing. Security officers are SUPPOSED to escort someone out who is doing these things, particularly tress passing.
When escorting him out, the officers were not forceful in the least at first. If you pay attention to the video, you notice that they are taking it easy enough on him at first that his backwards walking can still keep up with them. They did not become forceful until just before reaching the auditorium exit he tried to break free and run away.
At the point of breaking free from an officer and running away like that, he is now resisting an officer. So let’s see, infringing upon other’s rights, disturbing the peace, trespassing on private property, and now resisting an officer. Those are undebatable grounds for an arrest.
Also, if you read more reports about the incident, you will find that when he was pinned on the ground, one of the officers warned him that they would have to taser him if he kept struggling. He kept struggling and then they used they taser, after giving him fair warning.
After he was out of the auditorium, pay close attention to the video. The officers are still speaking only to him, and for that reason, you have a hard time hearing what they are saying, yet the college student in question keeps looking back towards the camera at points and is purposely talking louder and screaming so that everyone and the camera’s voice recorder would hear him. I mention this to reinforce that he did this for attention, not to make some kind of productive point.
This kid was in violation, and when notified of every violation, he committed a higher violation. At some point, it was going to have to be met with force. What the officers did was completely in the right, and I would be disgusted if these cops lost their jobs over this kid’s shameless display.
Food for thought though, if the cops hadn’t tasered him and had just dragged him out of the auditorium instead (and he would have had to have been dragged violently, he had no intentions of keeping walking pace with them anymore), with the way he would have struggled even more and shouted even louder possibly in this auditorium, this story would still be making headlines, it would just instead say “student violently dragged out”. With that in mind, I find the whole “taser was a bit much” argument pointless.
In summary, he committed acts that were at first, just a bit in the wrong, but acts that progressed to being illegal all the way to being grounds for arrest, and he chose to do so. Finally, he wanted a struggle as evidenced by his resistance, and he got it.
I just think that using a “less then lethal” weapon on someone for being disruptive is retarded. The cops could have just tossed his ass out of the room just like bouncers to to assholes at bars.
The only difference; politics.
And the title isn’t biased bullshit
he was speaking, was asked to leave, didn’t, got tased. speaking lead to the tasing. its really simple.
[quote]Avocado wrote:
Ha ha. Come on toshi, don’t fall into the trap, I’m just fucking with you. Did you read the blog posts under the video? It’s a play-up dude. If I wanted to be taken seriously would I not have capitalized shit? Stress wil make your poops runny.
-chris
dollarbill44 wrote:
Avocado wrote:
wow, I wish i were surprised that so many people support the suppression of human rights. No matter how stupid the question you should support his right to speak it. It’s not about what he says it’s about what happened to him for saying it. If you support that then you are just like the people in germany that thought hitler’s regime was cool.
It’s tragically ironic that people always ask “How could those germans have let such a monster do what he did?” when a comparable situation is happening right now. Those germans bought into the media they were being shown just as many people buy into the same type of media right now. Hitler’s scapegoat was the jews. Who is Bush’s scapegoat? terrorist’s of course. Concentration camp = Guantanamo.
The styme of critical thinking was as prevalent in 1939 as it is now in 2007 north America.
-chris
Yeah, we Americans are all being fitted for brown shirts right now. You Canadians better watch out, because I think Gordon Brown is signing a treaty with Bush right now that gives the U.S. clearance to invade Canada.
Are you really so thick as to believe in those comparisons you made? Holy fucking brain-deadness Batman!
DB
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I have re-read your post 3 times and I have yet to see any indicators of satire. A lack of capitalization does not qualify since half of all internet posts have this characteristic. Since I was one of several that responded to your post with incredulity, I can only conclude that you need to work on being sardonic. Body language, facial expressions and intonation do not translate well across the internet.
Btw, what is toshi?
DB
[quote]B rocK wrote:
I just think that using a “less then lethal” weapon on someone for being disruptive is retarded. The cops could have just tossed his ass out of the room just like bouncers to to assholes at bars.
The only difference; politics.
And the title isn’t biased bullshit
he was speaking, was asked to leave, didn’t, got tased. speaking lead to the tasing. its really simple.[/quote]
No, not quite so simple. He was speaking. His mike was cut off. He proceeded to run around like an idiot, with a VIP in the front whom the cops needed to protect. Then he was grabbed by cops to be removed, he resisted, and then he was tazered.
Speech caused his tazering like being born caused Rick James’ death…
[quote]detazathoth wrote:
= Bro Rape
In a thread full of Laughing the Fuck Out Loud…that shit was the best.
Well played sir.
[quote]B rocK wrote:
I just think that using a “less then lethal” weapon on someone for being disruptive is retarded. The cops could have just tossed his ass out of the room just like bouncers to to assholes at bars.
The only difference; politics.
And the title isn’t biased bullshit
he was speaking, was asked to leave, didn’t, got tased. speaking lead to the tasing. its really simple.[/quote]
Yada yada yada