Okay, good job orion. Now to counter - some of this I agree with so I’m cheating here a little.
[quote]orion wrote:
Well, I think the answer is obvious.
Ron Paul is against public education, which gives the poorest of the poor a chance to catch up to the more privileged among us.
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That’s not right. Publically funded education provides no competition and has degenerated into public sector union-run indoctrination centres. The best hope for poor people is to have a choice of many different schools who are competing with each other to provide the best service at the cheapest price.
Ron Paul is personally against abortion but doesn’t believe the federal government should be involved that’s all. He is entitled to his opinion which he doesn’t want to force on others.
The constitution protects everyone’s unalienable rights - gay, straight or pre-op whatevers.
That’s a good thing. The EPA is a radical organisation that obstructs the mining industry via red tape, fines and vexatious litigation.
Affirmative action legislatoion is unconstitutional, so too most civil rights era legislation. If someone wants to put a sign on their shop saying ‘no coloreds allowed’ then that’s their right. It’s also someone’s right to put a sign on their shop saying ‘no whites allowed.’
Those newsletters were:
A) Not written by Ron Paul
B) Not read by Ron Paul
and
C) Ron Paul has disavowed their contents many times.
Nonsense. He merely wants the constitution respected and the government out of our business. That doesn’t make him a bigot it makes him a patriot.
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What it comes down to is that Ron Paul envisions a world where a small group of white male patriarchs run things and everyone else is sacrificed for the bottom line and while I try not to hate anyone this vision frightens me. [/quote]
There is no evidence whatsoever that Paul is a racist - merely unfounded accusations by neocon wingnuts.
What it comes down to is that Ron Paul envisions a world where a small group of white male patriarchs run things and everyone else is sacrificed for the bottom line and while I try not to hate anyone this vision frightens me. [/quote]
Rofl. It’s funny seeing that come from you. Some Paulies are going to stumble on the board today, miss the point of the thread, and attack the progressive-neocon Orion.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Okay, good job orion. Now to counter - some of this I agree with so I’m cheating here a little.
[quote]orion wrote:
Well, I think the answer is obvious.
Ron Paul is against public education, which gives the poorest of the poor a chance to catch up to the more privileged among us.
[/quote]
That’s not right. Publically funded education provides no competition and has degenerated into public sector union-run indoctrination centres. The best hope for poor people is to have a choice of many different schools who are competing with each other to provide the best service at the cheapest price.
Ron Paul is personally against abortion but doesn’t believe the federal government should be involved that’s all. He is entitled to his opinion which he doesn’t want to force on others.
The constitution protects everyone’s unalienable rights - gay, straight or pre-op whatevers.
That’s a good thing. The EPA is a radical organisation that obstructs the mining industry via red tape, fines and vexatious litigation.
Affirmative action legislatoion is unconstitutional, so too most civil rights era legislation. If someone wants to put a sign on their shop saying ‘no coloreds allowed’ then that’s their right. It’s also someone’s right to put a sign on their shop saying ‘no whites allowed.’
Those newsletters were:
A) Not written by Ron Paul
B) Not read by Ron Paul
and
C) Ron Paul has disavowed their contents many times.
Nonsense. He merely wants the constitution respected and the government out of our business. That doesn’t make him a bigot it makes him a patriot.
[quote]
What it comes down to is that Ron Paul envisions a world where a small group of white male patriarchs run things and everyone else is sacrificed for the bottom line and while I try not to hate anyone this vision frightens me. [/quote]
There is no evidence whatsoever that Paul is a racist - merely unfounded accusations by neocon wingnuts.[/quote]
Aha! so you are one of THOSE!!!
There is no way that it is a good thing that people only care for the welfare of children because they hope to make a quick buck.
Also, public schools help form the opinions of children so that they at least have a chance to a rational, science based education.
All we would get with “competition” when it comes to schools is schools catering to the parents belief system and we would be swamped in misogynist bible thumping gun nuts.
So, he is personally against the right of a woman to choose and it would of course lead to whole states denying that basic, fundamental right. Its in the constitution, Roe vs Wade says so.
So, why cant they marry? Because white men want to keep up the fundamentally patriarchal and inherently oppressive institution of marriage, thats why!
The EPA keeps our rivers and air clean and protects us from corporation that would happily poison our wells if there was some money to be made that way. Whatever their failings are, profiteering money grubbers are worse.
If those laws are unconstitutional, why are they upheld by the Supreme Court? Also, I am disgusted that you would support such a blatant display of racism.
Shame on you.
Maybe they were written by him, maybe they were not. Fact of the matter is that he is for repealing the laws that protect black people from bigots and he at the very least associates with people that stir racial resentment to make a buck.
Finally, yes, he wants to go back to the interpretation of a constitution that was designed to keep slave and land owning white patriarchs in power.
[quote]Legionary wrote:
Obama is so anti-God he probably doesn’t even believe God lives on the planet Kolob or that the Garden of Eden is in Missouri! [/quote]
Don’t be silly radical Islamic socialists that weren’t born in America believe plenty in God.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Good lol’s and thought provoking posts here. Someone give me one and I’ll do my best to get a response in by late tomorrow night. [/quote]
Darwinism as a political movement to undermine traditional morality and to strengthen the state at the expense of organized religion. [/quote]
Oh good lord. That one’s a doozy. But I’ll give it my best shot.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Good lol’s and thought provoking posts here. Someone give me one and I’ll do my best to get a response in by late tomorrow night. [/quote]
Darwinism as a political movement to undermine traditional morality and to strengthen the state at the expense of organized religion. [/quote]
Oh good lord. That one’s a doozy. But I’ll give it my best shot.[/quote]
Wait a second… I believe Darwinism as the premise to the theory of evolution. I don’t hold to it as a political theory like Ayn Rand and other extreme capitalist. So that’s one I actually agree with.
There is no way that it is a good thing that people only care for the welfare of children because they hope to make a quick buck.
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That’s entirely inaccurate. Universities and colleges aren’t all in it for a ‘quick buck’ - some don’t get any public funding at all and provide an excellent education.
And private schools don’t?
Well at least you have confidence in the American people.
You’re really just cherry picking. Ron Paul doesn’t believe the federal government needs to recognise any marriage - gay or otherwise - and that the states should make those decisions themselves. Paul has stated that he supports gays in the military.
Because Carter, Clinton and Obama stacked the Supreme Court with radical activists who believe the constitution is a ‘living and breathing’ document that you can interpret however you like - so long as it conforms to the left’s ideological agenda that is.
Black people, white people and everyone else are already protected by the constitution.
[quote]squating_bear wrote:
If you want to give him a challenge I would think religion is the hardest for him
There are logical reasons which he can easily recognize for any war or any politics
If I’ve understood him correctly - religion is just plain irrational[/quote]
Try me.
Religion is actually easy because you are assuming that I am assuming that non religious are more rational than religious ones.
I do not.
If the scientific method is to common sense as the veteran is to a raw recruit than religion is the same for irrational or at least unprovable assumptions.
If we all necessarily must hold beliefs that are beyond verification I prefer the trained professionals to the wishy washy Marxism light amateur approach. [/quote]
I didn’t quite assume that.
I thought that this would be a much more foreign style of thought than you are used to using.
I didn’t say you couldn’t do it, only that this would be more challenging than the others. Except maybe not if I can’t do well enough
You’re good with logical arguments from multiple angles - you ever done any legal type work?
(if you don’t mind me asking)
God doesn’t exist because if he does then why does he want us to suffer? Wouldn’t that make him evil?
Why doesn’t he show himself? All I ever see is priests asking for money. That’s not justice
Where has he been lately? All I ever hear is stories from the distant past, when people were easier to scare for money, power, and control. Why just up and disappear all of a sudden?
Even if by some strange ultra low probability God actually is real - how are we supposed to tell which one is the real one?
edit:
the operating assumption being that if you don’t believe you obviously go to hell. That’s what the justice and suffering parts are about
And I do have to say, damn, orion, you are good at this.
I’ve actually found myself wondering a couple of times if you or SexMachine, too, have stopped taking positions you don’t actually hold and I missed the transition.
[quote]orion wrote:
Fuck it, anyone give me any topic and I will do the best I can…
[/quote]
The Rise and Fall of the Navajo Nation.[/quote]
ROTFLMFAO!
Sorry orion, that was funny![/quote]
The sad fact of the matter is there may be no more than 3 - 4 people left here on PWI that even get it.[/quote]
I STILL have yet to read the original thread. I direly would like to do so. I’ve searched for it four or five times, even after the new search engine was installed, to no avail.