T3hPwnisher is a cuck

[zecarlo]

@NickViar

women like to satisfy everyone, especially their children.

And spend money.

[Brant_Drake]

@jshaving

A few months of short sleep

I admire your optimism.

[Njord]

@Andrewgen_Receptors

Why do you guys think young men don’t want to get married these days?

Shifting values. Marriage is a religious institution. Even people who claim to be religious put religion in to practice less and less, and there are fewer and fewer people claiming religion.

This leaves marriage as an archaic promise before a God that fewer and fewer people believe in, either openly or inwardly.

I’d be curious to see long term, coexisting relationships overlayed with marriage.

[NickViar]

@zecarlo

You could add to this by asking, if someone grew up under these conditions, like many young adults have, why would they want to give up that spotlight to focus it on someone else, even their own child?

Exactly. The problem has been generations in the making.

@zecarlo

And spend money.

Yes. Which can be camouflaged with, “It’s for Little Bobby,” instead of it being for a purse…which would be selfish, donchaknow.

[anna_5588]

@jshaving

trivial matters like time spent pursuing hobbies

Why are hobbies trivial?
Not all people get meaning from taking care of family.

@jshaving

A few months of short sleep is a small price to pay.

really?

[TriednTrue]

@Andrewgen_Receptors

that dishwasher got some upgraded parts

My sister showed me this woman’s YouTube channel. In another video, she talks about how she regrets getting implants and having other work done.

[Andrewgen_Receptors]

@jshaving

@anna_5588

Men lose sleep too if they are good fathers

This is true but shouldn’t be an issue. A few months of short sleep is a small price to pay.

I’m going on 7 years on short sleep and my daughter is 7. It’s not a coincidence.

[OTay]

It is interesting that the 2 people that took issue with the “hobbies” comment are probably the youngest on the site.

One is a socially awkward female with a training/eating disorder and the other is a college aged male who spends his time trolling a training website, making references to cartoons and is a virgin.

Reproductive suppression

[tlgains]

@OTay

college aged male who spends his time trolling a training website, making references to cartoons and is a virgin.

Not much trolling from me lately, but yes that is me.

[anna_5588]

@OTay

female

correct

@OTay

training/eating disorder

arguable

@OTay

socially awkward

you’d be surprised how well my social module is programmed to deal with in person interactions

[zecarlo]

@anna_5588

you’d be surprised how well my social module is programmed to deal with in person interactions

WTF is a social module?

[anna_5588]

it’s a reference to my online friends me to a computer programme

[zecarlo]

No wonder you all aren’t having sex.

[Brant_Drake]

@zecarlo

aren’t having sex.

I got a pretty awesome handjob this morning.

I’m getting so good at giving those things.

[jshaving]

@Brant_Drake, @anna_5588, @Andrewgen_Receptors

Maybe this belongs in the Hot Takes thread, but I’m pretty willing to die on the hill of child-sleep issues. EDIT: That sounds too dramatic. This isn’t really a big deal, haha.

My son is now 3, and I grew up sharing bedrooms (and playing a fairly involved role as an older brother) with 4 younger siblings and various younger cousins at times. I’m not at all unfamiliar with young kids and getting them to sleep.

I firmly believe that probably at least 90% of kids can and should be sleeping through the night by 4-6 months old. Except for the 10% who may have some type of issue, if a kid isn’t sleeping 8-12 fairly uninterrupted hours a night definitely by age 1 (although it can be much sooner than that) that’s on the parents.

It’s hard to say that without sounding like I’m attacking people’s parenting choices, which is never received well by anybody (myself included), but yes, I fully stand by my statement that short sleep (because of a child, and not because of a job or some other factor) shouldn’t last longer than a few (I’ll extend this to 4-6) months.

[jshaving]

Are you referring to having a family or pursuing hobbies and hangout time with friends?

[tlgains]

Pursuing hobbies and hangout with friends. Everyone needs that bro, even families.

[jshaving]

If you’re referring to my comment, I think Anna and I are about the same age and I’m just a bit older than TL.

[OTay]

I was referring to about her and TL.

[jshaving]

I think those things are good. I also don’t think they’re anywhere near as important as other things.