T Poisoning: This Could Be Trouble!

I just saw this article- it makes the jokes about “testosterone poisoning” affecting men’s brains more real!!

Elevated Testosterone Kills Nerve Cells
ScienceDaily (Sep. 27, 2006) �?? A Yale School of Medicine study shows for the first time that a high level of testosterone, such as that caused by the use of steroids to increase muscle mass or for replacement therapy, can lead to a catastrophic loss of brain cells.


Taking large doses of androgens, or steroids, is known to cause hyperexcitability, a highly aggressive nature, and suicidal tendencies. These behavioral changes could be evidence of alterations in neuronal function caused by the steroids, said the senior author, Barbara Ehrlich, professor of pharmacology and physiology.

“Next time a muscle-bound guy in a sports car cuts you off on the highway, don’t get mad, just take a deep breath and realize that it might not be his fault,” said Ehrlich.

Testosterone is the main male hormone and it plays fundamental roles in development, differentiation, and cellular growth. In neurons, testosterone acts as a neurosteroid and can induce changes at the cellular level, which in turn lead to changes in behavior, mood and memory. Both neuroprotective and neurodegenerative effects of androgens have been reported.

The researchers showed that high levels of testosterone triggered programmed cell death in nerve cells in culture. Cell death, or apoptosis, is critical in many life processes, including development and disease. It is characterized by membrane instability, activation of caspases, which are the executioner proteins in apoptosis, change in membrane potential, and DNA fragmentation.

“In the present study we have demonstrated for the first time that the treatment of neuroblastoma cells with elevated concentrations of testosterone for relatively short periods, six to 12 hours, induces a decrease in cell viability by activation of a cell death program,” Ehrlich said. “Low concentrations of testosterone had no effects on cell viability, whereas at high concentrations the cell viability decreased with incremental increases in hormone concentration.”

The testosterone-induced apoptosis described in this study occurs through overactivation of intracellular Ca2+ signaling pathways. Overstimulation of the apoptotic program in neurons has been associated with several neurological illnesses, such as Alzheimer disease and Huntington disease.

Co-authors include Manuel Estrada, now continuing his work at the University of Chile in Santiago, and Anurag Varshney, now working at Ranbaxy, a drug discovery company in New Delhi, India.

[quote]middlleagedguy wrote:
“Next time a muscle-bound guy in a sports car cuts you off on the highway, don’t get mad, just take a deep breath and realize that it might not be his fault,” said Ehrlich.[/quote]

I wonder who paid for that study, the DEA?

[quote]kayveeay wrote:
middlleagedguy wrote:
“Next time a muscle-bound guy in a sports car cuts you off on the highway, don’t get mad, just take a deep breath and realize that it might not be his fault,” said Ehrlich.

[/quote]

It might not be his fault. What if the steering mechanism is faulty?

[quote]Makavali wrote:
kayveeay wrote:
middlleagedguy wrote:
“Next time a muscle-bound guy in a sports car cuts you off on the highway, don’t get mad, just take a deep breath and realize that it might not be his fault,” said Ehrlich.

It might not be his fault. What if the steering mechanism is faulty?[/quote]

Or they could just drive like an asshole like me.

On a more serious note, there is evidence that shows that people with autism have a chemical receptor in the brain that is mutated, and interacts incorrectly with testosterone. This interaction causes damage. I don’t know if test really damages the brains of normal people or not I wont fully dismiss the possibility theres a link.

[quote]HunterKiller wrote:
Makavali wrote:
kayveeay wrote:
middlleagedguy wrote:
“Next time a muscle-bound guy in a sports car cuts you off on the highway, don’t get mad, just take a deep breath and realize that it might not be his fault,” said Ehrlich.

It might not be his fault. What if the steering mechanism is faulty?

Or they could just drive like an asshole like me.

On a more serious note, there is evidence that shows that people with autism have a chemical receptor in the brain that is mutated, and interacts incorrectly with testosterone. This interaction causes damage. I don’t know if test really damages the brains of normal people or not I wont fully dismiss the possibility theres a link. [/quote]

A friend of mine has Asperger’s Syndrome, which has been called the “cousin” of Autism. Would this evidence have the same effect on this person as it would on a person with Autism? He is completely normal it seems to me. He’s really trained himself to act more normal, but he still slips once in a while.

“I’d rather be dumb than weak” came to my mind first. :slight_smile:

I’d like to get hold of the study they were reporting on. I really would like to take a look at their methodology. This seems…way too simplistic a conclusion. Especially for Yale boys.

[quote]AlteredState wrote:
If I have the right study, they simply put neurons into a culture dish and bathes them with testosterone solution.

Then the used the fact that the calls died to show that test is toxic.

What they failed to mention is the fact that almost anything will be toxic to a fragile cell if the concentrations are high or low enough.

So for example, distilled water would cause the cell to swell and burst, due to the osmotic pressure.

Salt water would work the other way. Alcohol, bleach, etc, etc, etc would all kill a cell in culture.

Bad science.[/quote]

Exactly, thank you Alt for the common sense that flew out the window here.

I highly doubt there’s any accurate validity to this claim, there are plenty of guys on the stuff that would be making their neurotic alterations public knowledge by now surely, no?

Wait,…something wrong,…highly exciteable,…

AAARRRRGGGHHHHHH MY BRAIN,…IT’S MORPHING!!!

I need the grapefruit juice, NOW, MUST INJECT…

AAaahhhh, there. E levels restored and combatting the maniacal test levels once again. Shit, must not forget my daily estro injecs to maintain equilibrium.

'Boned.

New warning label for Testosterone:

WARNING:
May cause unsightly muscle growth, manliness and extreme arousal. Stay away from farm animals (especially if you are British).

coming from the sheep herder himself! ;p

[quote] Brook wrote:
coming from the sheep herder himself! ;p[/quote]

We raise 'em then send them to you guys. I don’t judge you guys for what you do with the final product.

lol!

We buy em from you cause they are ‘broken in’…

[quote] Brook wrote:
lol!

We buy em from you cause they are ‘broken in’…[/quote]

We send over to Australia for that. Don’t hate on the suppliers.

[quote]AlteredState wrote:
If I have the right study, they simply put neurons into a culture dish and bathes them with testosterone solution.

Then the used the fact that the calls died to show that test is toxic.

What they failed to mention is the fact that almost anything will be toxic to a fragile cell if the concentrations are high or low enough.

So for example, distilled water would cause the cell to swell and burst, due to the osmotic pressure.

Salt water would work the other way. Alcohol, bleach, etc, etc, etc would all kill a cell in culture.

Bad science.[/quote]

Yep.

http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2006/09/dont-blame-guy-he-was-just-hormonal.html