Steroids + Mental Disorders

Pharma
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Hey guys, I’m new around these parts. I hate to be this guy to sound uninformed, but I want to no my resources before I take anything. I’ve had a hard time finding information on this so , I figured this would be the best place to ask.

I’ve been diagnosed with ocd since i was 5, i’m 22 now. I have anxiety as well.

I’ve been into serious lifting for the past two years, and I wanted to do a cycle of winstrol.

I’ve heard through dr’s that their’s a chance that you can bring out schizophrenia, if your pre disposed to having a mental disorder and you take roids.

Is this pure negative propaghanda, or is their truth to this. I can’t find really any resources to help guide me towards my answer.

any help would be great.

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The truth is, if you are predisposed to having a mental disorder then ANYTHING can potentially triger it.

i would say that due to the effects that AAS DO have on peoples personalities (usually positive - not always) i is a possibility you may have an issue.

it is a distinct possibility you may not too…

I do not know of any cases/documentation etc… but of what i know about AAS and what i know about certain mental illnesses or disorders this makes sense, and is what believe to be troo (true)

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I worked in the mental health profession for many years and I have never experienced one case of AAS induced psychosis.

I have actually never even heard of a link between AAS use and mental disorder, but like JJ says if you are predisposed then anything can trigger it.

It might not be the physiological effects of AAS that cause a negative psychiatric response, but who knows how one single person will react to a specific compound.

AAS has definite effect on mood, most guys will report a positive effect on mood, but even a positive stimulus could have an eventual negative effect on people with psychiatric disorders.

There is some overlap with OCD and Schizophrenia, and if you have severe OCD I would recommend a lot more research before you try using AAS, you would need to go as far as finding severe OCD sufferers that have used AAS to find your answer I think.

Also on a side note if you do decide to go ahead with this, please reconsider a winstrol only cycle as this is pretty crap to be blunt. :slight_smile:

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lol at the last comment - like, “in a more serious note… dont use winny alone…” HAHAA!

As for the AAS induced mental illness… me either, but many men get negative psychological effects from AAS… depression and aggression mostly.

OP read this… very relevant IMO.

http://www.drugtext.org/library/articles/945104.htm

Joe

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Nice find JJ

I think the most important part for me is in the conclusion:

“At present, little has been scientifically proven about the psychological changes which may be associated with anabolic steroid use”

Experienced users will tell you there is a definite change in mood and sexual libido, so even without medical studies documenting it as known fact, it does happen to most guys.

Also thinking about it, one of the main concerns for you may also be coming off a cycle, if not done properly your testosterone levels can crash and leave you with depression and low motivation/energy.

Even with the perfect taper or PCT I think all guys suffer a bit of a dip in mood when coming off which may be more of a problem to you.

I am guessing you have severe OCD either that or your doc is just trying to use scare tactics to put you off.

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There are people who think this sort of thing is true. Those who subscribe to the b.s. about “roid rage”. If you’re an asshole before AAS, you’ll be a bigger asshole after you start using them.

I know a guy who thinks (like many ill informed do) for example that Chris Benoit killed his family, and self ‘because of steroids’. In fact, the guy had severe brain damage, and most likely battled mental disorders brought on directly by repeated concussions (which cause brain damage) throughout his years of wrestling.

Dementia, and severe bouts of paranoia, and possibly depression mixed in with brain damage and you have a ticking time bomb no matter how “nice of a guy” you might be.

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It isnt about being an asshole, arsehole… It is about the fact that Testosterone DOES have psychological effects on people.
So steroids dont increase aggression??

Confidence? yeah…
Well-Being? yep…
Self-belief and worth…
and Assertiveness.

Why is a heightened aggression so hard to accept? Is it because it is seen as a negative emotion?

I AM aggressive anyway, which is why i notice heightened aggressiveness. Those that are only occasionally mildly aggressive may have a slight change and those that are never aggressive tend to just be more assertive and confident.

Steroids make me more confident, thus self-worth is higher - thus i become more assertive, except i seem to have an aggressive manner about me. (which i constantly monitor and check). SOoo… that is viewed as heightened aggression.

Those that arent really aggressive, get more confident, have higher self-worth values and become more assertive maybe but are capable of delivering that in a non-aggressive way.

Maybe Steroids are capable of making certain personality types more aggressive. We are in a steroid forum… there are going to be a whole range of “types” here…

I dont mind admitting i am aggressive and more so due to anabolics… and i take offence to being called an asshole obviously, as you have read a book-done a degree and assume to understand the inner workings of an aggression increase from AAS on certain personality types. Just from being one of those people and intelligent enough to see many sids to a story makes me more qualified than you.

What is mentioned above is a good argument i think other than this…

Certain steroids make people more aggressive than others. Plus i know - that myself on test, i can get so angry, so severe, i have to be very careful about my circumstances. I will not allow myself to be involved in confrontation if possible, as i can cause confrontation with perfect strangers in minutes as it is! It is constantly there… that isnt more confidence etc… it is something else.

I can categorically say in SOME people, steroids increase aggression. Alot. And it isnt about being an asshole, cause i am a decent guy.

Ever used Halo? Tren? Even in the most mild people, tren causes an incerase in anger emotions…

JJ

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Jeeze bud, I didn’t say YOU were an asshole. LOL, take it easy. No need to feel I was attacking you or anyone directly. I’m sure I’m more “agressive” while on as well. I’m a very mild mannered, and level headed type anyway (I swear I’m not saying YOU’RE not!), so yea when I’m on, I’m a more “go getter” focused person.

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Its ok… it wasnt JUST a post retaliating… but there is an argument in there too…!

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[quote]fmrmarineinbiz wrote:
There are people who think this sort of thing is true. Those who subscribe to the b.s. about “roid rage”. If you’re an asshole before AAS, you’ll be a bigger asshole after you start using them.

I know a guy who thinks (like many ill informed do) for example that Chris Benoit killed his family, and self ‘because of steroids’. In fact, the guy had severe brain damage, and most likely battled mental disorders brought on directly by repeated concussions (which cause brain damage) throughout his years of wrestling.

Dementia, and severe bouts of paranoia, and possibly depression mixed in with brain damage and you have a ticking time bomb no matter how “nice of a guy” you might be.

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Did you read the thread first, the OP has been advised by his doctor not to use AAS as he is concerned about him having a psychotic reaction.

This is a very specific question relating to the OP’s OCD.

This is not a bullshit “roid rage” thread, the Op has genuine valid concerns due to a medical professionals advice.

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Are you taking medication for your OCD?

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OCD typically represents an increased amount of dopamine and decreased amount of serotonin in certain regions of the brain. That is why SSRI’s and dopamine antagonists(antipsychotics) are routinely prescribed for OCD.

Schizophrenia and the positive symptoms that result are the result of increased dopamine in DIFFERANT brain regions than OCD.

When someone is high on cocaine or amphetamines dopamine is temporarily increased in ALL brain regions causing OCD symptoms, psychosis, and other dopamine related behaviour in many users.

Testosterone, Dianabol and some DHT derived androgens (Masteron, Halotestin, Winstrol, etc…) increase overall dopamine function in the brain. They may aggravate OCD symptoms but they will NOT turn an OCD’er in to a schizophrenic. Again the “disorders” occur in DIFFERANT brain regions.

Androgens that are more mood neutral may be better suited to someone with OCD, like oral-Turinabol, Nandrolones, and Equipoise, with testosterone replacement dosages added if possible to support normal brain function.

If you are looking for an oral, Turinabol would probably be your best bet.

Hopefully that wasn’t too confusing. :slight_smile:

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Well i am bi-polar schitzoeffective.

The only thing i had a problem with was d-bol it hit so hard and so fast i felt like i couldn’t be in public.

The i’m to stoned and every one is looking at me syndrome!

After a week or so and i adjusted to the drug the fight or flight feeling left.

So i would start with a low milligram and work your way up giving your mind and body time to adjust to the changes.

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im on anti depressents

cymbalta and lexapro

not sure if they would mix.

I only wanted to take winstrol to get cut up a little more.

I’ve taken ephedrine in the past to drop weight, and i was thinking of taking clen, but im not sure how that would interact with the medications im on.

I guess im just paranoid of bringing out a symptom i didnt know i had due to taking some gear.

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I think its media fed malarky, roid-rage and what not but I did experience mood swings while on my designer and my PCT. I didn’t punch my girl or kick the dog but I was on a short fuse most of the time. The worst came with the PCT. In short, I was more in touch with my girly emotions. Like crying listening to Jack Johnson driving my big ass Super Duty.

The jock that pureed his liver in my area had text book roid rage: He would throw the benches in the gym across the room when he was ready to bench the 65lbers, stupid shit like that. Picking fights with anybody. Told his girl to take a hike. My exp on the subject.

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[quote]Electric_E wrote:
fmrmarineinbiz wrote:
There are people who think this sort of thing is true. Those who subscribe to the b.s. about “roid rage”. If you’re an asshole before AAS, you’ll be a bigger asshole after you start using them.

I know a guy who thinks (like many ill informed do) for example that Chris Benoit killed his family, and self ‘because of steroids’. In fact, the guy had severe brain damage, and most likely battled mental disorders brought on directly by repeated concussions (which cause brain damage) throughout his years of wrestling.

Dementia, and severe bouts of paranoia, and possibly depression mixed in with brain damage and you have a ticking time bomb no matter how “nice of a guy” you might be.

Did you read the thread first, the OP has been advised by his doctor not to use AAS as he is concerned about him having a psychotic reaction.

This is a very specific question relating to the OP’s OCD.

This is not a bullshit “roid rage” thread, the Op has genuine valid concerns due to a medical professionals advice.

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I agree and I would have to say for the OP stay away from AAS.
yes docs tend to err on the side of caution,but if there is any chance of AAS or any drug for that mater,aggravating your ocd then please do not risk it.

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AFAIK, AAS will aggravate pre-existing psychological conditions in a select few individuals. See, if AAS was made legal and they studied it then any GP could tell you whether or not AAS was actually safe for you.

Much like Marijuana, but that’s a whole other story.

If you are on medication for a psychological condition, then I personally would not recommend AAS use.

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[quote]fmrmarineinbiz wrote:
There are people who think this sort of thing is true. Those who subscribe to the b.s. about “roid rage”. If you’re an asshole before AAS, you’ll be a bigger asshole after you start using them.

I know a guy who thinks (like many ill informed do) for example that Chris Benoit killed his family, and self ‘because of steroids’. In fact, the guy had severe brain damage, and most likely battled mental disorders brought on directly by repeated concussions (which cause brain damage) throughout his years of wrestling.

Dementia, and severe bouts of paranoia, and possibly depression mixed in with brain damage and you have a ticking time bomb no matter how “nice of a guy” you might be.

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I saw an online interview with ex wrestler the honky tonk man where he was asked about the benoit thing.
he said
that wasnt steroids he was not in some damned roid rage.
a roid rage is where maybe youll want to go and hit a mother fucker with a pipe across the face but roinds wont make you kill 2 people then yourself. its just not like that.

and a little off topic
but GB what is it with you and crying in a super duty? memories? or you just stalking me watching what I do on weds.
oh crap its weds wheres my keys?

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[quote]judgeroybean wrote:
Well i am bi-polar schitzoeffective.

The only thing i had a problem with was d-bol it hit so hard and so fast i felt like i couldn’t be in public.

The i’m to stoned and every one is looking at me syndrome!

After a week or so and i adjusted to the drug the fight or flight feeling left.

So i would start with a low milligram and work your way up giving your mind and body time to adjust to the changes.

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good advice mr B

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[quote]nichaaron wrote:
fmrmarineinbiz wrote:
There are people who think this sort of thing is true. Those who subscribe to the b.s. about “roid rage”. If you’re an asshole before AAS, you’ll be a bigger asshole after you start using them.

I know a guy who thinks (like many ill informed do) for example that Chris Benoit killed his family, and self ‘because of steroids’. In fact, the guy had severe brain damage, and most likely battled mental disorders brought on directly by repeated concussions (which cause brain damage) throughout his years of wrestling.

Dementia, and severe bouts of paranoia, and possibly depression mixed in with brain damage and you have a ticking time bomb no matter how “nice of a guy” you might be.

I saw an online interview with ex wrestler the honky tonk man where he was asked about the benoit thing.
he said
that wasnt steroids he was not in some damned roid rage.
a roid rage is where maybe youll want to go and hit a mother fucker with a pipe across the face but roinds wont make you kill 2 people then yourself. its just not like that.

and a little off topic
but GB what is it with you and crying in a super duty? memories? or you just stalking me watching what I do on weds.
oh crap its weds wheres my keys?
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what it is here… steroids make HIM want to go smash up a guy… but maybe they make someone else wanna kill… i can relate to that i am afraid.

JJ