T-Nationers: Heavy Music!

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LFMatt, my comments weren’t directed towards you, as your band definitely does not fall into the common mold that plagues the metalcore scene as it’s being called. It was more for Tadpole who commented that hardcore does not stick to only 2 or 3 arrangements per song. Truth is, true hardcore, like its roots in punk, typically stuck with 2 or 3, maybe a little more. Same with the verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge/solo, verse chorus formula.

The genre walks hand in hand with modern pop/rock with the standard track running about 3 minutes and the hook no more than 30 seconds into the song. Some people obviously don’t have an attention span long enough to allow themselves to be absorbed by the music, again, totally against what Tadpole said. I’m not slagging TP’s music tastes, to each their own. Just hoping to open someone’s eyes to musical forms that offer so much than with is currently making the rounds with the in-crowd.

Yeah, Atheist, Cynic and many more, though my tastes slid into the realm of Black Metal back in like 1992. Still, many great bands evolving both genres every year.

Again, not slamming hardcore/metalcore or whatever as there are some incredible bands like Dillinger doing something original and not just following the crowd. And LFMatt, keep it up, your band’s twisted chord choices and structures are better than most of the bands out there right now.

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lostinthought: Colorado band? I haven’t heard of you guys yet. See you’re into Perfect Circle / Tool / Deftones (who isn’t really?). Have you checked out Ion? 'Nuther Denver band; good friends of ours. http://ionband.com/

xfrankx: Now THAT’S what I meant be the traditional definition of HC! Right the F on! I’d say you guys were “keeping it real” or “staying true to your roots”, but those are cliche and come across trite. Seriously, good stuff.

chrismcl: DEP! Hell yes. You into Strapping Young Lad?

Everyone else: thanks!

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Matt, I have one of SYL’s songs on a compilation album. I can’t recall right now whether I liked them or not. However, considering I can’t remember what they sound like, that generally means I wasn’t impressed by them. Could just be the song, I’ll check out some more of their stuff.

Some other bands that kick major fuckin ass:

-Prayer For Cleansing (RIP)
-Between the Buried and Me (I know I just got done ripping storey for playing music that goes hard>soft>hard again, however, these guys are somewhat of an exception to that rule)
-Every Time I Die
-Lamb of God (Haven’t heard their new stuff but New American Gospel was my lifting soundtrack for about 10 months straight - seriously, we didn’t even take it out of the CD player in the weight room that whole time)

Those are just a few.

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[quote]chrismcl wrote:

-Prayer For Cleansing (RIP)
-Between the Buried and Me (I know I just got done ripping storey for playing music that goes hard>soft>hard again, however, these guys are somewhat of an exception to that rule)
-Every Time I Die
-Lamb of God (Haven’t heard their new stuff but New American Gospel was my lifting soundtrack for about 10 months straight - seriously, we didn’t even take it out of the CD player in the weight room that whole time)

Those are just a few.[/quote]

All good / I listen to them all as well. I really like Norma Jean, altho I know that a lot of people don’t. I just dig their over all sound.

For the most part, tho, I don’t like ANY bands 100%. There are always parts I love, and then they go right into crap. Except Meshuggah. Love it all. But really, that’s why I started the project I am in. I wanted to make music that was entirely made up of those types of parts that make me / others go ape shit. Like 100% breakdowns almost, if you will.

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LowFatMatt, we’re actually on kind of a “hiatus” at the moment. I’m sure you know how that goes…we took a break when I had my son who is now 10 months…so we’re looking at getting back into it. But we keep procrastinating… We’ve played at Soiled Dove, Cricket on the Hill, 7 South…And few others. Some others I’d like to forget…

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Matt, if you want something thats pretty much breakdowns 100% of the time, listen to Martyr AD.

Also re Norma Jean, I sorta have mixed feelings about them. I’ve heard some of their newest album (can’t think of the name but its new as of the last few months) and it just seemed sorta boring to me. The album before that - Bless the Martyr and Kiss the Child - was pretty good. The only problem with that album is all the stuff on it was either really good or just flat out boring. Now going waaay back to when they were known as Luti-Kriss, they just flat out kicked crazy motherfuckin ass. No bones about it. Thats my 2 cents.

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[quote]Lohryx5 wrote:
Unlike most music it’s got more than two or three arrangements per song? Sorry, but hardcore hardly ever has more than a few. It’s very cookie-cutter for the most part. That’s partly why it’s become so popular lately, kinda like Chrismcl mentioned above. It’s formulaic and more accessible to the general public. Some of the originators of hardcore do it right, but everyone else are simply rehashing the same stuff.

Want some heavy, and more technically arranged, music? Check out some death metal like old Atheist, Cynic, Morbid Angel, and a number of other bands.

Or better yet, try taking on some incredible black metal like Emperor, Leviathan, Blut Aus Nord, and more.[/quote]

Yeah, I love death metal too, I just prefer hardcore. I can’t really explain the reason but hardcore just hits the right spot. It’s probably the sick breakdowns hardcore songs have. Sometimes it’s hard to distinguish between the two types, anyway. For instance, I can’t seem to decide if Lamb of God would fit into the hardcore category.

But if you guys want REALLY heavy stuff, then it’s all about JoJo. “Baby it’s you” is one hard song :slight_smile:

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HOLY SHIT!!!

I didn’t know we’ve got quite a number of “heavy music” fans in here.

Any of you into goregrind music?

If you dig old Carcass, Repulsion, Imeptigo, etc (old school death/grind) you should check out my band WTN (Razorback Records)Rotting In Pestilence album.

The legendary Mark sawickis from Impetigo also recorded a guitar part in one of the covers song.

And I’ve even added Testosterone.net and Biotest in my thank you/ inspirations list of the CD sleeve. :wink:

Here’s the link
www.razorbackrecords.com/wtn.htm

Lot’s of fast drum blastbeats and heavy riffs to fuel your workout!

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[quote]chrismcl wrote:
Lohryx5 wrote:
Unlike most music it’s got more than two or three arrangements per song? Sorry, but hardcore hardly ever has more than a few. It’s very cookie-cutter for the most part. That’s partly why it’s become so popular lately, kinda like Chrismcl mentioned above. It’s formulaic and more accessible to the general public. Some of the originators of hardcore do it right, but everyone else are simply rehashing the same stuff.

Want some heavy, and more technically arranged, music? Check out some death metal like old Atheist, Cynic, Morbid Angel, and a number of other bands.

Or better yet, try taking on some incredible black metal like Emperor, Leviathan, Blut Aus Nord, and more.

Three words:

Dillinger Escape Plan[/quote]

Dillinger escape Plan, hell yeah!

Throw in Cephalic Carnage too if you like originality. Their new album kicks ass…

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[quote]LowfatMatt wrote:
Lohryx5 wrote:
Unlike most music it’s got more than two or three arrangements per song? Sorry, but hardcore hardly ever has more than a few. It’s very cookie-cutter for the most part. That’s partly why it’s become so popular lately, kinda like Chrismcl mentioned above. It’s formulaic and more accessible to the general public. Some of the originators of hardcore do it right, but everyone else are simply rehashing the same stuff.

Want some heavy, and more technically arranged, music? Check out some death metal like old Atheist, Cynic, Morbid Angel, and a number of other bands.

Or better yet, try taking on some incredible black metal like Emperor, Leviathan, Blut Aus Nord, and more.

There are bands that use the templated / cookie cutter approach regardless of style. I don’t think style dictates how bands structure their stuff.

We consider ourselves hardcore but only as a general style. Hardcore music, not necessarily hardcore like NYHC or anything.

And we go back and forth on how we structure stuff. Sometimes a basic structure is needed, but other times we feel like writing something off the wall.

It’s never really about “hey, let’s do A, B, A, B, C, D, A, B…”, it’s about what comes out when you are writing.

I come from a death metal background. I haven’t heard anyone mention Cynic or Atheist in years! I love those bands. I grew up listening to them and Death, Cannibal Corpse, Carcass, Deicide, etc. I like newer stuff well as like Dimmu Borgir, Meshuggah, and even In Flames. I’m also strangely drawn to Behemoth. (Not that any of those bands are necessarily “new”, but they have been gaining popularity lately.)

I think the thing is, and it’s an argument we get into frequently, is your definition of Hardcore. Hardcore as in the traditional, specific sense (Madball, Earth Crisis, etc) or hardcore as a general umbrella of heavy music. [/quote]

Hey Matt, you use a 7-string guitar too?

I was thinking of tuning to A now, for some heavy shit tuning… What guitar/pick ups are you using?

By the way, all the bands you listed above are part of my staple diet too… I’ve included it in my T-dawg 2.

LOL

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Odium,

Wow, that’s awesome that you got Mark to help out. Haven’t heard anyone mention Impetigo in a long time. How’s the scene there in Singaport? Stay sick and keep grinding.

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chrismcl: I have all the NJ / Luti-kriss stuff and I have to agree 100%. That’s exactly whay I was talking about. Either really good, or horribly boring. “Bless the Martyr…” is my favorite still. And Martyr AD is in regular rotation in my CD changer…

odium: Wow! I gotta see if I can check some of this stuff out. Looks pretty Cannibal Corpse-ish by the cover. And Cephalic… yes! We’re proud to call them a Colorado band, altho they might not share that sentiment. For guitar… 7 string, yes. We tune down to A and use different tuning throughout the high notes as well. I used an Ibanez AX7221 for a long time (w/ whatever pickups come stock in that thing) but recently bought a new Schecter Damien 7 w/ EMG-Hz’s. I flat out LOVE this axe!

Over all I am glad to see this thread living on. Typically threads about heavy music get ignored and buried by now. Keep it heavy! \m/

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Hey storey, picture you used on your first link. I like the way you used a fisheye lens. Adds great effect. Pretty good music too.

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[quote]Lohryx5 wrote:
Odium,

Wow, that’s awesome that you got Mark to help out. Haven’t heard anyone mention Impetigo in a long time. How’s the scene there in Singaport? Stay sick and keep grinding.[/quote]

Yep, he’s one cool guy! He just re-married last year I believe and now staying in the Phillipines.

Singapore’s scene kinda obscure and backwards. Many are into old 80’s trash.

But there are a few upcoming brutal/grind bands. And the mighty Impiety (former Osmose Recs) is still around… with Oscar Garcia on drums. Woo hoo!

Haven’t heard anyone mention this phrase in a long time. LOL

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[quote]LowfatMatt wrote:
odium: Wow! I gotta see if I can check some of this stuff out. Looks pretty Cannibal Corpse-ish by the cover. And Cephalic… yes! We’re proud to call them a Colorado band, altho they might not share that sentiment. For guitar… 7 string, yes. We tune down to A and use different tuning throughout the high notes as well. I used an Ibanez AX7221 for a long time (w/ whatever pickups come stock in that thing) but recently bought a new Schecter Damien 7 w/ EMG-Hz’s. I flat out LOVE this axe!

Over all I am glad to see this thread living on. Typically threads about heavy music get ignored and buried by now. Keep it heavy! \m/[/quote]

Great! I was thinking of changing to EMG pick ups as I read a lot of great reviews on them.

Cephalic writes one of the coolest music ever. Anyway, If you like weird stuff… Check out my other band…haha
Hybrid of extreme metal and anything else that fits.

Unfortunately, it’s disbanded!

Anyway, if you want a copy of WTN’s Rotting In Pestilence album, I can mail it to you for free. Just provide me your mailing address. Anyone else wants? (Got a few copies lying around coz many have already downloaded it illegally. Oh well…)

Yeah, keep this thread alive. Better still sticky note it! j/k

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Wow it is good to see some heavy music fans in the T-Nation. Thanks to everyone that took the time to take a listen to the tracks and share your opinions good and bad! Yeah LFMatt’s band is sick too, Hopefully we can link up a show w’them in Texas. I agree with everyone on here as far as their tastes in music from grindcore to hardcore to death and black metal–good shit all around.

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Thank you very much. Yeah that fisheye lens thing is pretty cool

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Yeah there is a nice scene building in Austin finally!

[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
cool.
funny though. I didn’t now there was heavy metal in Austin.
Goes to show me!
You guys ever meet Slaid Cleeves or Gary Primich while you’re out and about?[/quote]

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This is probably the coolest thing ever. The man that has changed my way of lifting for the better is digging the tunes. Thats awesome!

[quote]Chad Waterbury wrote:
Those are some good tunes to crank up during tonight’s workout.

It takes alot to get me to pull Slayer’s “Reign in Blood” out of the CD player, but I like the energy in those tracks. [/quote]

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I’m the bass player. I play a 5 string tuned to A like you guys. I’m the guy w/dreads.

[quote]LowfatMatt wrote:
Chad Waterbury wrote:

It takes alot to get me to pull Slayer’s “Reign in Blood” out of the CD player, but I like the energy in those tracks.

Man, do I ever hear you there!! Slayer owns!

Oh, and storey420, I was serious. I like your stuff a lot! What is your role in CHP?[/quote]