I am very new at this and would very much appreciate your input, my question is should i go with a long cycle for lets say 20mg for 7 weeks or should i do a short cycle say 40mg for 3.5 weeks,the goal being i would like to gain about 10lbs LBM and keep it with minimal to no side effects, also i shouldn’t need any anti-estrogens with this right?
thanks in advance
Hate to break it to you but dosage will not make the difference in what you gain. Your diet is the key and if you want to gain over 10lbs then you better consume over 5000 calories a day.
I have done a Tbol only cycle before and I would have to say that I did get some impressive results and gained 15lbs but I consumed over 5000 calories a day and have a balls to the wall workout.
If I would do it again I would say yes but only with test as my base and that goes for any other aas. Tbol can shut you down even though it doesn’t aromatize so be aware of that.
I would post your stats first including your age, diet, training routine, and previous aas cycles. From there we can determine whats best for you.
Okay Mr. Know-it-all. But I think the liver thing is highly overrated. I did 3 weeks of RC’s Anadrol and Winstrol, had my liver values checked and nothing was abnormal; my liver was fine.
I can’t get a hold of any test, but it would be my first option if I could find a supplier of stealth products besides ivitamins or alin.
I can only do the gear that I can get a hold of, and that happens to be paper. You don’t know how hard it is to get gear around here in my location. I had to hunt and ask around for months before I could even find a source, and that was extremely costly and unreliable. Where I am, either you pay $100 per ampoule (if there is any locally available), or you get some dodgy shit. At least with the papers I know what I am getting is quality UG shit at a good price.
According to my research, orals can stack together fine. I mean, I’d love to do some test, but I think that some guys just have a needle fixation and love sticking male hormones in their ass.
it sounds like you have 100 10mg tabs. how to use them, the question that will get 100 different answers, so here is my 2 cents.
assumptions made for recommendations (no particular order):
- no other steroids will be used
- you are only looking to gain 10lbs lean, and not i want to get bigger, so 10 lbs seems like a good number (kind of like women who ‘need’ to lose 15)
- you want to minimize dealing with shutdown, pct, liver values etc.
- you will eat at least 500 kcal above maintenance, most of these calories from animal protein, healthy fats, fruits and veggies
- supps: ZMA, fish oil, flax seeds (ground), metabolic drive, Surge, creatine, BCAAs, Alpha Male for after cycle
i would recommend you try 2 tabs a day for a shorter cycle first, say 2 weeks to see how you respond. this should take care of shutdown issues and pct with Alpha Male usually suffices. it will also give you an opportunity to see how well you hold onto your gains.
after that you have the option to take at least two weeks off and go again, perhaps at 30mg a day if you want to up it.
You might believe oral stacking is overrated because you have done it before without problems but the point is that you only have one liver. Why put your liver through the test with aas that are liver toxic to begin with and test and see how you do. If one wants to play that risk then they can but you will see better results with injectables and thats a given.
As for ordering stealth or paper products or I dont see why you couldn’t order from Alin as you mentioned unless he just doesn’t ship there. ivitamins to me is just a ripoff so I wouldn’t order anything from them. There are many others but Alin is one of the top and trusted suppliers.
[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:
I dont know what kind of experience you guys have with aas, but anyone with knowledge about it will tell you that you do not mix two orals together without any test no matter what. Either you will kill your liver or shut yourself down.
Okay Mr. Know-it-all. But I think the liver thing is highly overrated. I did 3 weeks of RC’s Anadrol and Winstrol, had my liver values checked and nothing was abnormal; my liver was fine.
I can’t get a hold of any test, but it would be my first option if I could find a supplier of stealth products besides ivitamins or alin.
I can only do the gear that I can get a hold of, and that happens to be paper. You don’t know how hard it is to get gear around here in my location. I had to hunt and ask around for months before I could even find a source, and that was extremely costly and unreliable. Where I am, either you pay $100 per ampoule (if there is any locally available), or you get some dodgy shit. At least with the papers I know what I am getting is quality UG shit at a good price.
According to my research, orals can stack together fine. I mean, I’d love to do some test, but I think that some guys just have a needle fixation and love sticking male hormones in their ass. [/quote]
[quote]ubl0 wrote:
it sounds like you have 100 10mg tabs. how to use them, the question that will get 100 different answers, so here is my 2 cents.
assumptions made for recommendations (no particular order):
- no other steroids will be used
- you are only looking to gain 10lbs lean, and not i want to get bigger, so 10 lbs seems like a good number (kind of like women who ‘need’ to lose 15)
- you want to minimize dealing with shutdown, pct, liver values etc.
- you will eat at least 500 kcal above maintenance, most of these calories from animal protein, healthy fats, fruits and veggies
- supps: ZMA, fish oil, flax seeds (ground), metabolic drive, Surge, creatine, BCAAs, Alpha Male for after cycle
i would recommend you try 2 tabs a day for a shorter cycle first, say 2 weeks to see how you respond. this should take care of shutdown issues and pct with Alpha Male usually suffices. it will also give you an opportunity to see how well you hold onto your gains.
after that you have the option to take at least two weeks off and go again, perhaps at 30mg a day if you want to up it.[/quote]
I dont think 2 weeks of 20mg is gonna do jack shit,im into my second week ist week at 20,this week at 30(3 spread out during the day)and am using redi cat which by all accounts is good shit.i think yr dietary advice is pretty sound tho.ive heard that it takes about 3weeks to notice gains from turin and around 7 till strenghth kicks in but we will see
i have had first timers use doses of 20 and 30 mg of anavar or tbol and the results are usually in line with what was desired. i fully agree that for an advanced user these dosages are not of much use, but for a first timer looking for only a 10 lbs increase, it may do the trick.
truth be told, i think i could get this guy twice the results without any sauce, but i am well aware of how good a job most people do feeding themselves.
as for the difference between 20mg and 30mg a day, it is definately worth it, both for tbol and anavar.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
ubl0 wrote:
i have had first timers use doses of 20 and 30 mg of anavar or tbol and the results are usually in line with what was desired. i fully agree that for an advanced user these dosages are not of much use, but for a first timer looking for only a 10 lbs increase, it may do the trick.
No offence, but 10lbs of quality muscle is not to be sneezed at, and certainly won’t be attainable in a 2 week cycle of anything…[/quote]
agreed. i did not mean that those results came in two weeks. they came at those dosages over multiple 2 week cycles with beginners. in this case the gentleman points out indirectly that he intends to use 100 tabs
(7weeks7days/week2/day=98) and that he does not want to deal with any issues (though with the low doses of tbol, there is not much worry).
realistically he has a month supply at 3 tabs a day. i imagine that half his ten pound gain would still have to come from nutrition/lifestyle factor tweaking.
the reason for the 20 mg for the first one is so it can be compared to the results at 30 mg.