Hi all, I’m 35 years old with 5 years training experience and here’s the story:
I started my first cycle with Tbol, 40mg/day planned for 6 weeks. And will end it with a Clomid PCT. Chose this as my first cycle because I was a pussy and was afraid of injectables.
4 weeks into my Tbol cycle, I got convinced(through research and chatting with experience users) to move to injectables. Planned for a 12 weeks cycle of 300mg Test + 200mg Deca per week, with Arimidex at 0.5mg a week. PCT would be HCG + Clomid.
Question now is would switching gear be a bad idea?
I know there are cycles with (Orals week 1-4 + Deca week 1-10 + Test Cyp week 1-12). This is when orals like Dbol help to kick start the cycle before Test Cyp and Deca comes in around the 3rd week for most.
My scenario is different because I started Tbol without Test & Deca, and will only start them on the 4th week of my oral Tbol. My Tbol cycle will still end on the 6th week as planned.
With the half-life of Tbol, and assuming how slow Cypionate and Decanoate takes effect( possibly on week 8) there might be “gap” between 6th to 8th week.
First, oral only cycles are generally ill advised. Adding an injectable test would be ideal in conjunction with the oral. I’ve only ran Tbol once but really like it. You will get about half a dozen other parties following up on this telling you to run Test only your first cycle. I’m on the fence about that but regardless you’ve stared the Tbol already.
Deca is not a good first cycle drug. It has a host of side effects I won’t get into but you can research them, the immediate worst include ED and neurological side effects. Long term… cardiac issues. Test and tbol sounds about right though. If you don’t have problems on that you could add Deca in on a second cycle after weighing the risks.
HCG can be started anytime and up to the PCT if you want to run it. Clomid is fine to start 3 weeks after your last injection of test. Nolva is the other option. Don’t run insane doses of Clomid has it also has side effects including vision impairment. Lastly, you will not likely need .5mg of Arimadex on only 300mg of test per week. Keep it on hand if you have problems and add in slowly if you do… such as .25mg to start.
My recommendation is: start the Test immediately and you might as well go to 500 mg/week and go for 10 to 12 weeks. Wait until a later cycle to add in deca. Don’t worry about the HCG, you probably won’t need it. Get the Adex but don’t plan on using, just keep it on hand for if you get major estrogen related sides. Use Nolvadex for your PCT starting 2 to 3 weeks after your last pin of test. Get extra Nolvadex for if you start getting estrogen related sides while on cycle; you should try this before trying Adex.
Ok so that’s one major concern with high E2, but not the only one. High E2 can impair sexual function, cause anxiety, increase water retention, increase BP etc etc. If you start feeling a host of these symptoms a low dose AI may be of use. The general consensus is to NOT use an AI until necessary.
Surprisingly low E2 manifests many similar symptoms and has its own set of issues which is why you start low on the AI if used. If gyno is your primary concern you can run a low dose Nolva regimen throughout the cycle. Nolva blocks E2 receptors in breast tissue.
I only have clomid on hand, probably will get some Nolvadex because you are right, my main concern with a high E2 is Gyno. But I Guess it’s also ok to take a low dose of adex to bring down the bloat as well? I guess it’s all up to each individual for this.
And I am just wondering, my adex pill comes in 1mg pill, when you guys say 0.25, it probably means cut it up into 4? Or are there pills in 0.25mg form? When I cut it in half, it already pretty messed up.
