Is This Cycle a Good Idea?

Hi guys, this is my first post. Im a long time lurker, been doing alot of reading on this great site.
Im 5.8 28 years old and weigh 158lbs. 11% BF.
I have been thinking really hard about doing a mild cycle of Test Enanthate 500mg/week for 12 weeks. My PCT will be Nolvadex - 40/20/20/20/20 (week 13-17).

My workout and diet is dead on, i lift very heavy and eat the right stuff every single day. I can tell you what i ate 3 months ago to the day, i can even break it down to how many cal/prot/carb and fat i had. I just log everything and keep it in case i need to review it every 90 days or so.
Here are my questions,

  1. What side effects should i expect during this cycle?
  2. What gains should i expect on this cycle?
  3. How much of my gains can i keep if i continue to lift and eat as good as i am?
  4. Is the Nolvadex enough of a PCT?
  5. What size needle do i need to get?
  6. Is it better to take one shot of 500mg/ week or should i break it up to two shots twice a week?
  7. The PCT at 40/20/20/20/20, i means 40 mg the first week and 20 the rest per day correct?

If anyone could help me out i would greatly appreciate it.
Thank you for your help.

I highly recommend a dbol kickstart if you can get it.

3-4 weeks of dbol is very cheap, and alot of fun, certainly worth some thought, but not necessary. Test e will work fine by itself just takes a bit to kick.

12 weeks is a tad on the long side, I would probably recommend 10 for a first cycle, but theres nothing wrong with it specifically.

I HIGHLY recommend you run an AI on cycle. This will bring your side effects to almost zero.

Adex is the standard newbie AI of choice, its easier to dose, hard to mess up with, and quite effect.

Basically what you are looking for is the “beginner cycle” that is outlined in the newbie steroid cycle sticky topic at the top of the steroids forum.

Its the exact cycle you want.

It outlines the dosaging, the PCT and the AI use.

  1. The potential for all the usual suspects, gyno, water retention, aggression, acne and oily skin, increades/decreased libido, strength, increased muscle mass, confidence…
  2. Exactly 12.2254lbs of dry muscle mass will be kept from a cycle such as this given your stats. Or… who the fuck knows.
  3. You will definitely keep more the harder you work in and out of the gym before, during and after the cycle - this has to be obvious.
  4. I personally think it is.
  5. For oil in large muscles 23-25G are popular. For oil in smaller muscles 27-29G are generally used.
  6. 2x250mg
  7. Correct.

Guys thank you for your help.
What will an AI do? Is it in pill form or do i have to inject it?
I looked thru the newbee cycle sticky but didnt see what brand of AI is good, how much to take per day etc…
Again thanks for the help to both of you.

[quote]jkemkerk wrote:
Guys thank you for your help.
What will an AI do? Is it in pill form or do i have to inject it?
I looked thru the newbee cycle sticky but didnt see what brand of AI is good, how much to take per day etc…
Again thanks for the help to both of you.

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http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_training_performance_bodybuilding_gear/serm_and_ai_sticky

Thank you very much for the help and links so far.

Im just a little confused and have a couple questions left.

Please look this over and tell me if im on the right track. My cycle will be 10 weeks and the Nolva PCT will be 5 weeks.

Week 1 250mg tuesday 250 mg friday
Week 2 250mg tuesday 250 mg friday
Week 3 250mg tuesday 250 mg friday
Week 4 250mg tuesday 250 mg friday
Week 5 250mg tuesday 250 mg friday
Week 6 250mg tuesday 250 mg friday
Week 7 250mg tuesday 250 mg friday
Week 8 250mg tuesday 250 mg friday
Week 9 250mg tuesday 250 mg friday
Week 10 250mg tuesday 250 mg friday
Week 11 40mg nolva/day
Week 12 40mg nolva/day
Week 13 20mg nolva/day
Week 14 20mg nolva/day
Week 15 20mg nolva/day

And here are the questions:

  1. I read somewhere that i need to take week 11 and 12 off THEN start the PCT and run it for 5 weeks, is this true?
  2. Do i need anything else? Are the PCT doses right?
  3. Will the pct that i have help me keep most of my gains and help my natural test level come back?
    I appoligize for all these questions, i just want to make sure all my ducks are in a row before i start anything. I want to do it the right way so i can have a successfull first cycle and not just jump in to things without doing it the right way.

I also read a little about Clomid vs Nolvadex and was confused about their roles. I dont want to have gyno issues so what would be better to go with, Nolva or Clomid?
Again thank you very much in advance for the help. My next few posts will only be about the gains :slight_smile:

[quote]jkemkerk wrote:
Thank you very much for the help and links so far.

Im just a little confused and have a couple questions left.

Please look this over and tell me if im on the right track. My cycle will be 10 weeks and the Nolva PCT will be 5 weeks.

Week 1 250mg tuesday 250 mg friday
Week 2 250mg tuesday 250 mg friday
Week 3 250mg tuesday 250 mg friday
Week 4 250mg tuesday 250 mg friday
Week 5 250mg tuesday 250 mg friday
Week 6 250mg tuesday 250 mg friday
Week 7 250mg tuesday 250 mg friday
Week 8 250mg tuesday 250 mg friday
Week 9 250mg tuesday 250 mg friday
Week 10 250mg tuesday 250 mg friday
Week 11 40mg nolva/day
Week 12 40mg nolva/day
Week 13 20mg nolva/day
Week 14 20mg nolva/day
Week 15 20mg nolva/day

And here are the questions:

  1. I read somewhere that i need to take week 11 and 12 off THEN start the PCT and run it for 5 weeks, is this true?
  2. Do i need anything else? Are the PCT doses right?
  3. Will the pct that i have help me keep most of my gains and help my natural test level come back?

I appoligize for all these questions, i just want to make sure all my ducks are in a row before i start anything. I want to do it the right way so i can have a successfull first cycle and not just jump in to things without doing it the right way.

I also read a little about Clomid vs Nolvadex and was confused about their roles. I dont want to have gyno issues so what would be better to go with, Nolva or Clomid?

Again thank you very much in advance for the help. My next few posts will only be about the gains :slight_smile:
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I would heavily consider running an AI like adex on cycle.

It should prevent any potential problems that could occur.

take a look at the newbie cycle planning thread for dosing on the AI.

I do not recommend taking time off, I would start taking the SERM a few days after your cycle ends.

You didnt mention what ester your using, but many people will agree that there is no point in trying to guess how long the ester will still be in effect.

Its easier, and usually a better plan to start taking the SERM before the test has “completely” cleared your system.

waiting for any and all supression to cease has no advantages over trying to restart production while you still have a bit of androgen in your system.

This approach does waste some SERM, but it will ensure you have SERM built up and kicking the second your body realizes it needs to start making test agian.

If your supply of SERM is somewhat limited this approach may not be for you, but since most of us by SERM’s in liquid form from research companies, it isnt generally an issue.

I also recommend nolva or torefemine over clomid, clomid is old school, it works by the same mechanism, but requires signifigantly higher doses.

This can lead to vision and emotion issues more so than Nolva.

I know one guy that has permanent vision damage from years of clomid usage.

Its not terrible, but his peripherals have weird spots in them.

Thanks for all that advice, its very much appreciated!

I will run Nolvadex instead of clomid.
Basically it looks like i need the Test, Nolvadex (SERM) for PCT and a good AI and i will be set correct?

I wont take any time off, once i have taken the last shot (10th week) i will start the PCT after a few days and stay on it for 5 weeks.

You asked what ester im going with, im not sure what you mean by that but i am getting Test Enanthate. I read somewhere that it has a long ester(if that makes any sense) and this will stay in the system longer, takes a few weeks longer to “kick” in and you dont need to take as many shots during the week.

Hope that answers some of your questions, and thanks again for the help!

I think it’s kind of overkill to run nolva for 5 weeks. 40/40/20/20 should be plenty.

And yes definitely get your hands on some armidex(anastrozole) for your AI.

Good luck, stay safe. You’ll love it!

Ok 4 weeks it is.
How important is it to run an AI on a mild cycle like this?

I would always run an AI whenever you use test, risking gyno, and massive water bloat just doesn’t appeal to me.

I agree, i dont want any of that.
So i wil do 500mg of test E for 10 weeks, start nolvadex for 4 weeks on the 11th week.
How should i incorporate the AI in to this?
Thanks waylanderxx and everyone else that has helped so far.

no prob, take .25 mg’s every other day. In pill form adex almost always comes in .25 mg’s per pill so its really easy to dose. Just pop 1 pill EOD for the 10 week duration of your cycle and you’re good to go.

EOD as in end of day correct?
Thanks i will do that. Im looking forward to this. The only thing that i am worried about is the side effects, but the more i read about this mild cycle, the more i learn that there wont be any major sides if you do everything correct. Thanks again waylanderxx.

EOD means Every Other Day.

Adex also comes as a liquid suspension from research chemical companies ( a legal loophole). It is much cheaper than Arimidex tablets and the solution of choice for most at this forum.

Tabs or liquid, both would work if you got them. Either way, if .25 mg every other day isn’t enough, jump up to .5 mg every other day. That should do it. You probably shouldn’t need too increase it, but just in case.

Start with .25 mg EOD and assess the effects first before increasing the dose. No need to go any higher than .5 mg EOD for any reason on this particular test only cycle.