Switching from Test E to Test Prop

Pharma / TRT
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Hi - Due to availability, I’m going to have to switch from Test E to Test Prop for my first cycle. Will run 12 weeks. I’m 5’8", just hit 170lb, and have been training pretty hardcore for 5+ years. Goals include 15-20lb gain of keepable fairly lean mass.

Been reading alot about the differences between the two (test e being the longer esther hence more build-up, test prop possibly having some pain but maybe less bloat and out of the body quicker) but am wondering: I realize I should up my pinning frequency, but should I also change my dosing?

Was planning on E3D 250mg with Test E and am now planning EOD 250mg with the Test Prop. Thoughts/help? Possibly 200mg EOD instead for the Test Prop? Thanks guys…LittleRunt

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Personally I think that 150mg EOD would be fine for a first cycle. At 200mg EOD you would be injecting 700mg/week of prop.

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Due to differences in ester weights, each ester contains a different amount of actual testosterone. I can’t remember for sure, but I think each 100mg of Test Enanthate has about 72mg active test, while each 100 mg of Propionate has about 80mg active test. …might want to do a little research just to be sure.

With your proposed dosing schedule, in 6 days, enanthate will give you about 360mg actual test, while prop will provide about 480mg actual test.

Currently sticking 100mg ed test prop and think the idea of prop being more painful is nothing but a myth…I have had Test E that has hurt a LOT worse…prolly depends more on the source than anything else (ie. Chinese - ouch!)

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I’ve gotten alot of people who have said prop is painful, but just as many say the pain rumor is just an urban legend. Right now i don’t have much of a choice, so prop it is. Posed this question on three boards, and while a few people said “go for it” at 200mg EOD, the vast majority have said - since this is cycle number one for me - to take it down to 150mg EOD, and kickstart with Dbol 30mg/day for the first four weeks.

Will also use adex after week two. Some guys have said wait and find some test enanth, but that’s much easier said than done! (but thanks.) I don’t have a problem with needles/sticking, although admittedly it’s going to be a downer to do it every other day. I plan on using left/right ventrogluteal site, delts, biceps, and quads and see how far that takes me.

Also, PCT will be something like four weeks stasis period at 100mg/week, then 80/60/40/20 for the last four weeks - it’s an eight week taper. Nolva on hand. Sound crazy? Thanks for the advice, it really helps…LittleRunt

[quote]testolius wrote:
Due to differences in ester weights, each ester contains a different amount of actual testosterone. I can’t remember for sure, but I think each 100mg of Test Enanthate has about 72mg active test, while each 100 mg of Propionate has about 80mg active test. …might want to do a little research just to be sure.

With your proposed dosing schedule, in 6 days, enanthate will give you about 360mg actual test, while prop will provide about 480mg actual test.

Currently sticking 100mg ed test prop and think the idea of prop being more painful is nothing but a myth…I have had Test E that has hurt a LOT worse…prolly depends more on the source than anything else (ie. Chinese - ouch!)[/quote]

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Would you even need the Dbol? I think most add it in as a kickstart but that’s so the Test has time to kick in. With Prop, it should be kicking in pretty quick…just wondering

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for a 1st cycle…you probably won’t need any d-bol…test P will make a good 1st for ya…and at 150 eod…as long as diet and shit are in check…you should be pretty happy.

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littlerunt I hope you are over the age of 21. Couple thoughts: I concur that 150mg EOD ought to be a decent starting point for you. You don’t need to pre-plan a-dex usage. I’d bet you won’t need it at all, though it is good you have it on hand. The rest of your stuff looks ok.

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[quote]MrZsasz wrote:
Would you even need the Dbol? I think most add it in as a kickstart but that’s so the Test has time to kick in. With Prop, it should be kicking in pretty quick…just wondering[/quote]

Very good point. Since you will be feeling the test from day one and considering this is your first cycle I would leave the dbol out. You can add it to future cycles for sure but won’t need it while using prop. Enjoy the ride.

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100mg test prop eod will be fine for first cycle. Keep diet in order, drink lots of water and you’ll make nice gains.

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Yep, I’m way over 21yo and not looking back…34 years old, actually! I am going to keep the adex on hand and will use it at about .50mg/EOD if symptoms start to occur. Sound okay?

[quote]sapasion wrote:
littlerunt I hope you are over the age of 21. Couple thoughts: I concur that 150mg EOD ought to be a decent starting point for you. You don’t need to pre-plan a-dex usage. I’d bet you won’t need it at all, though it is good you have it on hand. The rest of your stuff looks ok.[/quote]

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With your dosage of prop that you plan to use .25mg EOD may be enough adex to take care of any gyno symptoms should they arise.

Take as little as you need to get the desired effect.

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[quote]littlerunt wrote:
I’m 5’8", just hit 170lb, and have been training pretty hardcore for 5+ years. Goals include 15-20lb gain of keepable fairly lean mass.

…and am now planning EOD 250mg with the Test Prop. Thoughts/help? Possibly 200mg EOD instead for the Test Prop? Thanks guys…LittleRunt[/quote]

Hey littlerunt. I’d like to hear what weight you started at, since you’ve been at it hard for five years and got up to 170 pounds.

Second, I’d like to hear your diet for your cycle.

Third, what kind of routine are you going to use? - ie west side, periodization, TBT or whatever.

Fourth, is this a bulk or cut scheme?

After yours is over, I’d like to compare notes.

Oh, and after much research, I echo others’ opinion that 150mg/EOD will be most beneficial.

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I started training fairly heavy about five years ago, and my beginning weight was 141 pounds and about 15% BF. For my first three training years I wanted that “lean” look and did lots of cardio (5-6x’s a week for 45min), combined with a general 5x’s a week workout of non-compound exercises doing medium-high to high reps (18,15,12,10). That took my bodyfat down to about 12% and my weight stayed at about 145-147ish.

Then, two years ago, I began to train differently. Cut cardio to medium/low intensity, 30-40 min, 3x’s a week. Completely revamped my diet to about 3200/day and moved to compound weight training 5x’s a week, low reps (8,6,6,4), yoga one day, one day rest. Usually ingested about 150-175 grams of protein each day, very low sugar, medium carbs, low fat. BF hit 10% (where it is currently).

After two years, that put me at 170. Working with a trainer now 5x’s a week, mostly compound lifting, but with certain isolations targeted through machines each week. Cardio still 3x’s/week, long, low intensity. When I start to feel burnout I take two days off and adjust my schedule to a 3x’s/week for a month.

Diet for cycle will increase everything slightly, to about 3800-4000/day. 250+g/protein, 200g/carbs, low-fat. At 170 (wet), I’m still fairly small, so total calories in excess of about 4000 would most likely add fat around my middle.

I’m still researching, but my training during cycle will probably stay the same. Mostly compound, high weight, low reps. Haven’t yet subscribed to a particular theory beyond that. Goes something like this:

Mon - Chest/calves
Tues - Back/bicep/cardio
Wed - Shoulder/Tris
Thurs - Cardio/yoga
Friday Legs/forearms
Sat - Cardio
Sunday - rest

Although I’m still uncomfortable with gaining too much fat during a bulking cycle, I also realize that this first cycle I should concentrate on bulking, even if mild in comparison to the pros. I’d like to put on about 15-20lb, or which probably 10-15% would be fat I’m guessing. So after all is said and done 15 keepable pounds (sans fat) would make me happy. Starting my cycle on Sunday…LittleRunt

[quote]kroby wrote:
littlerunt wrote:
I’m 5’8", just hit 170lb, and have been training pretty hardcore for 5+ years. Goals include 15-20lb gain of keepable fairly lean mass.

…and am now planning EOD 250mg with the Test Prop. Thoughts/help? Possibly 200mg EOD instead for the Test Prop? Thanks guys…LittleRunt

Hey littlerunt. I’d like to hear what weight you started at, since you’ve been at it hard for five years and got up to 170 pounds.

Second, I’d like to hear your diet for your cycle.

Third, what kind of routine are you going to use? - ie west side, periodization, TBT or whatever.

Fourth, is this a bulk or cut scheme?

After yours is over, I’d like to compare notes.

Oh, and after much research, I echo others’ opinion that 150mg/EOD will be most beneficial.[/quote]

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Thanks. You’re the fourth person who told me that, so I’ll definitely incorporate that into my plan. If needed, I’ll start with only .25 adex EOD and see what happens. Thanks again…LR

[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
With your dosage of prop that you plan to use .25mg EOD may be enough adex to take care of any gyno symptoms should they arise.

Take as little as you need to get the desired effect.[/quote]

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[quote]littlerunt wrote:

Although I’m still uncomfortable with gaining too much fat during a bulking cycle, I also realize that this first cycle I should concentrate on bulking, even if mild in comparison to the pros. I’d like to put on about 15-20lb, or which probably 10-15% would be fat I’m guessing. So after all is said and done 15 keepable pounds (sans fat) would make me happy. Starting my cycle on Sunday…LittleRunt

[/quote]

You won’t gain much fat on prop and your proposed diet and exercise regime. Its common to get leaner on prop.

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Really? That’s good to know - first I’ve heard of it. Yes, my diet and exercise are spot-on right now, and I’m starting my cycle Monday. I usually err on the side of too much cardio and too little food, so I’m going to focus on keeping that under control and eating ALOT of clean food. Very excited…Littlerunt

[quote]sapasion wrote:
littlerunt wrote:

Although I’m still uncomfortable with gaining too much fat during a bulking cycle, I also realize that this first cycle I should concentrate on bulking, even if mild in comparison to the pros. I’d like to put on about 15-20lb, or which probably 10-15% would be fat I’m guessing. So after all is said and done 15 keepable pounds (sans fat) would make me happy. Starting my cycle on Sunday…LittleRunt

You won’t gain much fat on prop and your proposed diet and exercise regime. Its common to get leaner on prop.[/quote]