First off, from where the bar was when he started hitching and ramping, there was probably little risk of injury. The bar was well past his knees and his lower back was NOT in a compromised position.
I know since it is outside the norm to most of you, it suddenly becomes dangerous. It didn’t look dangerous to me.
Next, who says it’s improper form? Improper how? We all know it’s not going to a passing deadlift in a powerlifting meet. But nowhere in the title of description of the video does it say “deadlift”.
And, I know this is hard for some of you out there to believe, but that lift would be counted as a good rep in any strongman competition. So it’s NOT improper form in that context.
Finally, please don’t twist my words. I’m not in any way saying this is how everyone should deadlift.
I watched his squat video and I found nothing wrong. I understand this may be an acceptable technique in strongman competitions, in which case risking injury to progress in your sport comes with the territory, but this looks more like a football weight room and it just seems unneccesary.
… but as pointed out, my numbers aren’t as impressive, so who am I to judge.
When I watched the deadlift I cringed. Everyone is focusing on the hitching, but that looked like a legit strongman lift. What got to me is that on his initial lift it looked TO ME like his hips came up way before his back and the weight got out in front of him. I little rounding of the shoulders is going to happen with 6 plates but it looked like the bar was way out in front and his back was in a compromised position. If I were training with a beginner or intermediate lifter and they did that I would tell them to stop.
That said, all it takes is a little common sense. What’s the whole point of weightlifting? To get bigger and stronger, right? So if a guy a really big and really strong, then clearly whatever he is doing is working. At this guy’s size and strength he is going to have a level of lower back development that will protect his soft tissue more effectively than yours would as a beginner.
The squat was fine. He unracked, did a quarter squat, his friends told him to go deeper, he did a second one at close-to parallel. What’s the problem there?
[quote]malonetd wrote:
First off, from where the bar was when he started hitching and ramping, there was probably little risk of injury. The bar was well past his knees and his lower back was NOT in a compromised position.
I know since it is outside the norm to most of you, it suddenly becomes dangerous. It didn’t look dangerous to me.
Next, who says it’s improper form? Improper how? We all know it’s not going to a passing deadlift in a powerlifting meet. But nowhere in the title of description of the video does it say “deadlift”.
And, I know this is hard for some of you out there to believe, but that lift would be counted as a good rep in any strongman competition. So it’s NOT improper form in that context.
Finally, please don’t twist my words. I’m not in any way saying this is how everyone should deadlift.[/quote]
Without twisting your words I would say that from where the bar was, his lower back WAS in a compromised position.
It is usually not compressional forces on the spine that cause lumbar damage, but shearing forces. And although the shearing forces would be less at that point in the lift vs. the start of the lift, the repeated jerks compounds the problem.
The position that he was in with the repeated jerks would cause repeated gapping of the posterior disc and squeezing of the anterior disc. That along side with the angle of the pull is going to repeatedly push the nucleus of the disc in and out of the posterior disc region (annulus fibrosis). I believe that is where the real danger is.
All that aside it was a big lift and I could not do it.
[quote]shizen wrote:
JoeG254 wrote:
meanest wrote:
“That’s how you do it.”
Uh, no.
Here is the same guys ~495 squat.
No comment.
What’s wrong with that?
Obviously anything that is not a close stance olympic squat does not count. [/quote]
Heh yeah, obviously unless his ass hits his calves he’s wasting his time and will never make progress =/
The deadlift wouldn’t fly in a PL competition, but that’s probably not his goal, although if he lifts like that all the time I’d be worried about his back.
if you read the title, it is obviously a test of maxes, I assume that’s what “liften test” means.
Also, if you watch his other videos, he is a strongman competitor. I think his form looks bad, but if he could control the weight perfectly and get it up without any trouble, it wouldn’t be his MAX would it? Whenever I lift my max I always struggle with the form a little, no matter what the lift.
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
if you read the title, it is obviously a test of maxes, I assume that’s what “liften test” means.
Also, if you watch his other videos, he is a strongman competitor. I think his form looks bad, but if he could control the weight perfectly and get it up without any trouble, it wouldn’t be his MAX would it? Whenever I lift my max I always struggle with the form a little, no matter what the lift.[/quote]
I belive hitching is legal in strongman competitions. Also a max isn’t always going to go smooth, a lot of time you’ll have to grind it out, and sometimes cheating will happen.
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
if you read the title, it is obviously a test of maxes, I assume that’s what “liften test” means.
Also, if you watch his other videos, he is a strongman competitor. I think his form looks bad, but if he could control the weight perfectly and get it up without any trouble, it wouldn’t be his MAX would it? Whenever I lift my max I always struggle with the form a little, no matter what the lift.[/quote]
The only problem with MAX is you might get disillusioned by what your max actually is; for example in the squat if your cutting your depth by a lot. His squat was completely fine, his deadlift would not pass in competetion yet he is strongman so it works.
I think you can have max attempts with good form also, look at most olympic lifters their form is nearly identical when going for maxes as it is with just the bar.
I just hate when I see high school kids-who seem to max way too much- doing 1/8th squats and few inch bench press-with assistance from spotter- and calling it there max.
I just wish to God my gym had that kind of positive energy on squat day…fuck I wish my gym had a “squat day”. lol Did you notice he went parallel on the first rep and then some guy in the back yells LOWER…I would have wanted to kill him.
So what we have here are a bunch of guys lifting heavier weight on one move than I do if you added up all my exercises together. Strangely enough they are bigger and look like they workout even with regular clothes on.
[quote]SSC wrote:
Qaash wrote:
JoeG254 wrote:
This is what I would call horrid form.
I hurt just watching that
Yep, pretty bad. Got to give him something for his perserverence during the lift though, I suppose.[/quote]
NO. Give him nothing. You simply can’t have a discussion on bad form without the Wheeze…he pops up from time to time. Argues and defends his horrid use of form till the bitter end with such gems as:
“Well what do you lift?”
Even when the person critiquing lifts more than him with better form.
Won’t listen to any advice, even professional strongman and PLer’s advice who chimed in to help him…shit he’s even mentioned on elitetfs.com, such is his notoriety for crappy form and more importantly, the stubbornness to defend it. I think he was finally shamed out of BBing.com by posting pics of himself in a full-on teal wrestling tunic or something.
Anyway the last vid I saw of him he was wearing a TESTOSTERONE tshirt and squatting with surprisingly good form. Hopefully some of what people were trying to tell him sunk in.
[quote]JoeG254 wrote:
eeu743 wrote:
if you read the title, it is obviously a test of maxes, I assume that’s what “liften test” means.
Also, if you watch his other videos, he is a strongman competitor. I think his form looks bad, but if he could control the weight perfectly and get it up without any trouble, it wouldn’t be his MAX would it? Whenever I lift my max I always struggle with the form a little, no matter what the lift.
I belive hitching is legal in strongman competitions. Also a max isn’t always going to go smooth, a lot of time you’ll have to grind it out, and sometimes cheating will happen.
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Sometimes when lifting your max you’ll end up cheating some, and find that it’s a bit rough. But it’s still good just to get the weight up safely. Also I read somewhere that hitching is legal in strongman competitions.
