[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
You think it is perfectly legal to cut someone off and stop? Good luck with that.[/quote]
WTF?
What if he needed to stop? He drove in front because the fucking suv was on their ass.
His goal was to create room because the idiot in the suv didn’t understand that.[/quote]
I suppose then if he was afraid for his life, they should have all just slowed down and let the SUV pass.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
All I can say is I would be highly pissed and would get off my bike and approach a driver if THEY FUCKING HIT ME IN THE BACK OF MY BIKE WHILE DRIVING.
Call me crazy.
if that person then runs off and hits other bikes and people…don’t you fault that guy?[/quote]
The guy on the bike cut in front of him and stopped. How stupid is that? He should expect to get hit. If you cut someone off with a car/truck/moped/motorcycle and brake check them don’t be surprised if you get rear ended.
They are very lucky he wasn’t carrying, the guy with the helmet would be dead and the suv driver would have been within his rights.[/quote]
Look a the vid again.
Even before that the car is in the middle of the bikes riding with them.
That is fucking stupid.
That is WHY the other bike did that.[/quote]
How is it stupid to ride in the middle of a bunch of bikes? Maybe the bikes should single file it and act like they have some sense by following the rules of the road.
Bikes have the same rules as cars. No more, no less. You seem to indicate that bikes should be treated differently, especially if they are in a group. This is totally false.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
You think it is perfectly legal to cut someone off and stop? Good luck with that.[/quote]
WTF?
What if he needed to stop? He drove in front because the fucking suv was on their ass.
His goal was to create room because the idiot in the suv didn’t understand that.[/quote]
The guy he hit was lane splitting with the SUV then just kind of drifted in front of him and stopped. Lane splitting in newyork is not legal and fucking stupid. If this is the kind of shit you pull when you drive no wonder you think other drivers are dicks.
Not sure why you think someone needs to make way for a group of idiots on bikes either. If they can’t ride at freeway speeds amongst traffic they shouldn’t be on the road.
Yes I know you ride. You are not the only one that has had a bike.
Look, driving like an ass is not what I am condoning…but if people are now acting like they have never seen a pack of bikes riding together and never thought, “gee, breaking their formation could hurt one of them” then I feel sorry for you.
If we rode in a pack, we had someone in front but everyone staying together is part of the safety aspect.
yes, if you see a pack of bikes ride by, thinking it is ok to split them or ride with them is a huge freaking mistake. You coudld easily roll right over one of the bikers.
I ride a bike and I make room for cagers because one wrong move by them I am dead. It is called defensive driving and making sure your head is on a swivel. I would never put myself in a situation for a cager to run me over.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
I ride a bike and I make room for cagers because one wrong move by them I am dead. It is called defensive driving and making sure your head is on a swivel. I would never put myself in a situation for a cager to run me over.[/quote]
Hell, me either WHEN RIDING ALONE.
When riding in a group where I care what happens to that guy on bike #23 over there is way different. No pack rides all spread apart. That is even more dangerous.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
I ride a bike and I make room for cagers because one wrong move by them I am dead. It is called defensive driving and making sure your head is on a swivel. I would never put myself in a situation for a cager to run me over.[/quote]
Hell, me either WHEN RIDING ALONE.
When riding in a group where I care what happens to that guy on bike #23 over there is way different. No pack rides all spread apart. That is even more dangerous.[/quote]
And that is the issue with pack riding. I was in my car and a group of riders came flying by at 80 MPH. You will know the place. The Pierce Elevated and 288S interchange where if you want to get on 288S and not get on 59S you have to change lanes? The riders were coming from 45N and wanting to get on 59S. The pack of 100 people came flying by. I wanted to get over and so did they.
Instead of a part of the pack slowing down to let me in they boxed me in so I could not change lanes. I had my signal on and everything. Some were getting behind me and others were rounding them and yes they boxed me in and I could not change lanes. One cut me off and slammed on his breaks because traffic was slowing down. I saw it before he did so there was no death. The pack mentality does not give the right to break the law.
No, pack mentality does not mean break the law, but seriously, in this stance, if you took out the "they were driving like douchbags before this " what you see is a huge fucking SUV acting like it didn’t need to pay any attention to the 50 people now riding around him and didn’t need to alter his speed at all to make sure everyone came out alive.
This is NOT all on the bike riders.
Part of the blame here is riding on someone’s ass because you feel you don’t have to move at all.
For me, if 50 bikes ride by, I’m not going to be stupid enough on a straight street to NOT let them pass so they keep living and I don’t hit them.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
No, pack mentality does not mean break the law, but seriously, in this stance, if you took out the "they were driving like douchbags before this " what you see is a huge fucking SUV acting like it didn’t need to pay any attention to the 50 people now riding around him and didn’t need to alter his speed at all to make sure everyone came out alive.
This is NOT all on the bike riders.
Part of the blame here is riding on someone’s ass because you feel you don’t have to move at all.
For me, if 50 bikes ride by, I’m not going to be stupid enough on a straight street to NOT let them pass so they keep living and I don’t hit them.[/quote]
I agree, but there is still a lot to this story that still needs to come out to make a judgement. As of right now we are all speculating.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Look, driving like an ass is not what I am condoning…but if people are now acting like they have never seen a pack of bikes riding together and never thought, “gee, breaking their formation could hurt one of them” then I feel sorry for you.
If we rode in a pack, we had someone in front but everyone staying together is part of the safety aspect.
yes, if you see a pack of bikes ride by, thinking it is ok to split them or ride with them is a huge freaking mistake. You coudld easily roll right over one of the bikers.[/quote]
We have large packs of bikes in my area all the time and this doesn’t happen, because they ride in a formation not like a cloud of insects. No, you don’t break into their formation, but there needs to be an actual formation, not a swarm.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Look, driving like an ass is not what I am condoning…but if people are now acting like they have never seen a pack of bikes riding together and never thought, “gee, breaking their formation could hurt one of them” then I feel sorry for you.
If we rode in a pack, we had someone in front but everyone staying together is part of the safety aspect.
yes, if you see a pack of bikes ride by, thinking it is ok to split them or ride with them is a huge freaking mistake. You coudld easily roll right over one of the bikers.[/quote]
We have large packs of bikes in my area all the time and this doesn’t happen, because they ride in a formation not like a cloud of insects. No, you don’t break into their formation, but there needs to be an actual formation, not a swarm.
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My honest take is that many car drivers see motorcycles as “the enemy”. They get pissed that the bikes can ride in between traffic and get around things cars can’t.
because of that, this suv driver didn’t move at all. He was driving with them and was aware of them for too long to act like he was caught off guard. He just didn’t want to accommodate them.
His choice or any like it could lead to someone on a bike dying.
It doesn’t matter if he feels like he doesn’t have to move.
He isn’t on the street alone…and if he really cared about his safety and that of his kid, his primary goal should have been to get away from the bikes as fast as possible…not ride the fuck with them.
He caused this and I don’t know too many “punk ass bike riders” who won’t react if you hit them.
Their actions as far as beating him up are way off…but get real about what set it off to start with.
I would be pissed as hell if an suv was riding my ass the way he was at the start.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Look, driving like an ass is not what I am condoning…but if people are now acting like they have never seen a pack of bikes riding together and never thought, “gee, breaking their formation could hurt one of them” then I feel sorry for you.
If we rode in a pack, we had someone in front but everyone staying together is part of the safety aspect.
yes, if you see a pack of bikes ride by, thinking it is ok to split them or ride with them is a huge freaking mistake. You coudld easily roll right over one of the bikers.[/quote]
We have large packs of bikes in my area all the time and this doesn’t happen, because they ride in a formation not like a cloud of insects. No, you don’t break into their formation, but there needs to be an actual formation, not a swarm.
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Who said he broke the formation? From the looks of it their was very little formation and they just kind of swarmed around him when they caught him so any breaking of formation is still on the bikers. Can he really help that they caught up to him and passed him on all sides? Still looks like the bikers were in the wrong as they were the ones riding illegally in the lanes. Even when riding in a pack you cant just spread out all over the road like they were.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Look, driving like an ass is not what I am condoning…but if people are now acting like they have never seen a pack of bikes riding together and never thought, “gee, breaking their formation could hurt one of them” then I feel sorry for you.
If we rode in a pack, we had someone in front but everyone staying together is part of the safety aspect.
yes, if you see a pack of bikes ride by, thinking it is ok to split them or ride with them is a huge freaking mistake. You coudld easily roll right over one of the bikers.[/quote]
We have large packs of bikes in my area all the time and this doesn’t happen, because they ride in a formation not like a cloud of insects. No, you don’t break into their formation, but there needs to be an actual formation, not a swarm.
[/quote]
My honest take is that many car drivers see motorcycles as “the enemy”. They get pissed that the bikes can ride in between traffic and get around things cars can’t.
because of that, this suv driver didn’t move at all. He was driving with them and was aware of them for too long to act like he was caught off guard. He just didn’t want to accommodate them.
His choice or any like it could lead to someone on a bike dying.
It doesn’t matter if he feels like he doesn’t have to move.
He isn’t on the street alone…and if he really cared about his safety and that of his kid, his primary goal should have been to get away from the bikes as fast as possible…not ride the fuck with them.
He caused this and I don’t know too many “punk ass bike riders” who won’t react if you hit them.
Their actions as far as beating him up are way off…but get real about what set it off to start with.
I would be pissed as hell if an suv was riding my ass the way he was at the start.[/quote]
That is some wild conjecture and blatantly misleading to boot.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Look, driving like an ass is not what I am condoning…but if people are now acting like they have never seen a pack of bikes riding together and never thought, “gee, breaking their formation could hurt one of them” then I feel sorry for you.
If we rode in a pack, we had someone in front but everyone staying together is part of the safety aspect.
yes, if you see a pack of bikes ride by, thinking it is ok to split them or ride with them is a huge freaking mistake. You coudld easily roll right over one of the bikers.[/quote]
We have large packs of bikes in my area all the time and this doesn’t happen, because they ride in a formation not like a cloud of insects. No, you don’t break into their formation, but there needs to be an actual formation, not a swarm.
[/quote]
My honest take is that many car drivers see motorcycles as “the enemy”. They get pissed that the bikes can ride in between traffic and get around things cars can’t.
because of that, this suv driver didn’t move at all. He was driving with them and was aware of them for too long to act like he was caught off guard. He just didn’t want to accommodate them.
His choice or any like it could lead to someone on a bike dying.
It doesn’t matter if he feels like he doesn’t have to move.
He isn’t on the street alone…and if he really cared about his safety and that of his kid, his primary goal should have been to get away from the bikes as fast as possible…not ride the fuck with them.
He caused this and I don’t know too many “punk ass bike riders” who won’t react if you hit them.
Their actions as far as beating him up are way off…but get real about what set it off to start with.
I would be pissed as hell if an suv was riding my ass the way he was at the start.[/quote]
Again, he wasn’t riding anyones ass at the start. That bike swerved in front of him inches from the front of the car. Not his fault.
If the bikers were really concerned about their safety they should have been riding more carefully not like assholes. Why does he have to accommodate them? They were the ones trying to pass so they are the ones that have to figure out how to do so safely. They didn’t do this.
And you are right about him not being on the street alone. He didn’t act like it, he just held the same spot that he had before they caught him. The bikers swarmed him with a “how dare he be in our way” mentality. They were the ones acting like entitled little pricks.
Are you suggesting that people in cars should fear people that ride motorcycles?? That’s what it sounds like when you say
Because I don’t think that’s the case.
His choice to ride with them is not what could lead to a rider dying. A rider acting like an idiot and riding between lanes and trying to squeeze through tight spaces they really have no business trying to squeeze through (driving like idiots) is what would lead to them dying. Someone driving like an idiot and getting hit is not the fault of the person that hit them. Its their own. There is no fault on the driver of the SUV. This all started because some punks wanted to feel like badasses with all his buddies around. The only unfortunate thing is that someone innocent actually got hurt by them.
The only thing I would have done differently than him, was when they first started coming at my car, I would have taken off and if they pursued I would have taken as many of them out as possible. Finally if they ever got me to stop the fucker that broke out my window would have had his skull turned into a gravy boat with a .45 between the eyes.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
The only thing I would have done differently than him, was when they first started coming at my car, I would have taken off and if they pursued I would have taken as many of them out as possible. Finally if they ever got me to stop the fucker that broke out my window would have had his skull turned into a gravy boat with a .45 between the eyes.[/quote]
…and that is the problem.
I would have slowed the fuck down and let them pass…thus ending any and all threat and not putting my daughter’s life at risk.
Your way still ends with people dying and/or getting hurt.
Tip: if you see 50 bikes in a group headed your way, DON’T FUCKING RIDE IN THE MIDDLE OF THEM or slow down and let them pass.
End of fucking story.
You can argue about who had the right of way all day at home.
I always laugh my ass off when people on bikes ride aggressively towards people in steel cages with a 3k+ weight advantage. Clearly Darwin is calling…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
The only thing I would have done differently than him, was when they first started coming at my car, I would have taken off and if they pursued I would have taken as many of them out as possible. Finally if they ever got me to stop the fucker that broke out my window would have had his skull turned into a gravy boat with a .45 between the eyes.[/quote]
…and that is the problem.
I would have slowed the fuck down and let them pass…thus ending any and all threat and not putting my daughter’s life at risk.
Your way still ends with people dying and/or getting hurt.
Tip: if you see 50 bikes in a group headed your way, DON’T FUCKING RIDE IN THE MIDDLE OF THEM or slow down and let them pass.
End of fucking story.
You can argue about who had the right of way all day at home.[/quote]
Why should I slow down if 50 bikes are approaching. If they pass me on both sides I didn’t choose to ride in the middle of them, they put me there. And why should they be any different than any other motorist. If they want to get butt hurt and start road raging about it, which is what happened here, then they are the cause of whatever comes, it is 100% there fault. Just because someone forces me to kill them when I was minding my own business, does not mean any fault is mine. It just means they should have made better choices. As I said, he should have hurt/killed as many of them as it took for them to figure out they were in a fight they couldn’t win. Instead he tried to dodge them after the initial assault. They are looking they got someone as passive as they did or the toll on the bikers part could have been a lot higher as it rightfully should have been.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
The only thing I would have done differently than him, was when they first started coming at my car, I would have taken off and if they pursued I would have taken as many of them out as possible. Finally if they ever got me to stop the fucker that broke out my window would have had his skull turned into a gravy boat with a .45 between the eyes.[/quote]
…and that is the problem.
I would have slowed the fuck down and let them pass…thus ending any and all threat and not putting my daughter’s life at risk.
Your way still ends with people dying and/or getting hurt.
Tip: if you see 50 bikes in a group headed your way, DON’T FUCKING RIDE IN THE MIDDLE OF THEM or slow down and let them pass.
End of fucking story.
You can argue about who had the right of way all day at home.[/quote]
And you are right about one thing, my way does end with lots of people getting hurt. My family and I are not those people so I have achieved my goal.