Also, sorry to derail your thread @dimiwakka
Well technically i gained 17kg of muscle naturally i started at 50kg. And yes Iâd say what i am about now is my natural limit so instead of reaching my natural limit at the age of 28 ive done it at 22. When it comes to diet, i have everything set out i dont change meals everything is prepped and basic so ive had good nutrition since the age of 17 when i started going to the gym. So yeh we had preety much the same natty results i started at 50kg you started at 60kg and we both put on roughly 20kg of muscle. Started using AAS after 3 years training and graduating from a bachelor of clinical exercise physiology, so right of the bat i am way more qualified in proper training than youâre average person. You seem to have this one size fits all mentality as if everyoneâs the same. Extreme ectomorph" means my body wants to be small thatâs how it wants to be to maintain homeostasis. Havent got this tested but based of my sporting history i assume im majority slow twitch fibres which again is not ideal in a weightlifting scenario i was always more gifted at running and outlasting my opponent back in my tennis days. âBone density and height have nothing to do with itâ lmao bloody laughable not even going to acknowledge any information you say after this point. You say i havent gotten my BMD tested i have we all had dexa scans on uni campuses as it was part of a nutrition elective we partook in. I remember being the lowest in my class and reason i didnt want to bring this up is because im not 100% sure what it was but i think my tscore was +1 for bone mineral density which is on the lower scale can range from (0-+4) anything lower than that is osteopenia which is a high risk of turning into osteoporosis (t score -2.5). If you were to get down to my bf% you would have less muscle tissue then me so please stop saying we have the same results. I am also stronger than you on 2/3 of the lifts and while being 10kg less and leaner, and as we know strength is relative to bodyweight. I was also never naturally a strong individual so ye the peds work.
Bench: 150 kg/ 330 pound
Squat: 190kg/ 418 pound
Deadlift:245kg 540 pound (with straps and belt not raw). Never tried raw as i dont trust my lower back.
Training push/pull/legs atm so not even really training specifically for strength at the moment doing lots of volume at the moment as you should when on AAS.
If i optimised my training around explosiveness and periodised my training monthly these numbers would most likely go up. But based on the fact Iâm training super high volume which is far from optimal when it comes to explosive or strength training and able to maintain this level of strength i find again impressive. But aye each to their own some people must have really high standards.
a T score of +1 is fine, below -1 is considered abnormal⊠mine was like -.8 after years on 7mg anastazole weekly.
and BMD wonât particularly affect youâre weight, its the mineral content within youâre bones. Unfortunately Iâm going to have to reply to soul fighter as from responding to youâre post here Iâve uncovered that heâs once again called me a pedophileâŠ
If you believe in the pseudoscience of body somatotypes, you musta cut classes in your program.
Youâre comparing your lifts to a natty, and mine still arenât that far off from yours. Also your squat is poverty even by natty standards
Most of these degrees donât have much weight. At the bachelorâs level, you can apply for the same jobs that will take somebody with a $500 NASM or ACE cert. The only difference is you can apply for a masters or DPT/DOT program with your degree that a certified trainer canât.
Yeh wasnt saying i was abnormal just saying i was on the lower end of the normal range. And shit -8 is osteoperosis. He brought up density so was just bringing that up. And your comment about the pedophile thing is not entirley wrong i mean its true they cant help it, there was a joe rogan podcast about it where they were saying most of them live with it their whole lives and donât act on it. Donât see why soul fighter is calling you a closet pedo though its a bit far.
Then so is yourâs given pound/pound his strength is quite a bit ahead of your own⊠a 418 squat isnât poverty for an 80kg man⊠itâs intermediate, dare I even say advanced compared to most gym rats⊠Stop it with youâre natty elitist bullshit and leave the man alone⊠if/when you decide to use tren you wonât be under any moral high ground because youâve met a certain quota⊠and you probably wonât fair well on tren given your current demeanour.
I muted you as a user, uploaded youâre name under the ignore category. But thereâs that little button âshow hidden postâ thatâs just too enticing⊠so Iâll bite because I find you to be profoundly irritating.
I sound like a psycho⊠you sound like an ignorant fool. If my argument is too long or âtoo scientific/detail orientatedâ, it doesnât equate to me being a psycho. Most of the arguments you make against me are steeped in ignorance, falsified facts or cheap insults.
You dropped it because you were called out for being ignorant⊠more than that, you were shat on by about ten members on the forum for repeatedly calling me a pedophile. I donât âdefend pedopheliaâ⊠I state literature empirically demonstrates itâs a mental illness characterised neurological alteration within the temporal lobe in particular. To say âI think those who never molest children and/or watch child pornography should be able to get help, be put on medication (antiandrogens are great for killing libido)â. Such a statement isnât a front for me being a pedophile, anyone who thinks that is surely isnât the most mentally apt. Youâre rhetoric would also state âthose who have compulsively violent thoughts should be put to death just as those who actually commit murder should beâ⊠no, many people seek help for the aforementioned ailment.
According to literature, the prospect of who/what one is attracted to isnât a choice⊠ACTING upon said desired most certainly is⊠get that ideology through youâre head
keep in mind I describe the desires as âsickâ⊠you considered this to virtue signalling, I consider this to mean you have no idea what youâre talking about half the time. The fact that I defend a perspective that those who have done nothing wrong donât deserve the death penalty makes me sane, not psycho.
The truth is, the only reason you EVER enter within the Pharma forum is to attack others or myself. I have nothing to prove to you, but the fact that you think Iâm a psychotic individual and a pedophile is highly irritating.
You donât appear to understand the concept of autism, I process and extrapolate upon information differently. You view this as me being a âtry hardâ or whatever you wish to call it⊠but insulting the way I speak/type, it makes you come across as an asshole⊠though Iâm sure incline315 will like all youâre posts as heâs previously come out openly stating he doesnât like me due to my age. Iâve noticed you stumble in on threads in the TRT section just to tag me with a photo of the precious guy from LOTR⊠youâre a truly nasty person when it comes to those you for whatever harbour an agenda against.
I may âbarely be an adultâ, but you most certainly donât know how to behave like one.
Iâm going to adress youâre rebuttals
âyou donât know how to behave because youâre a psychoâ
- unfounded counterargument
âyou defend the abuse of childrenâ
- unfounded, Iâm actually an advocate for very, very harsh penalties
Because he doesnât like the fact that Iâm young, has decided to start fights with me continually throughout the year. Iâve tried to make peace, but it hasnât worked.
Also, Bullshit, youâve got 10kg on him⊠drop 10kg (and youâd be reasonably lean at this point, like 14%, youâd reach youâre tinder goal⊠actually youâd probably want to drop 12 as youâll lose a good amount of muscle mass too), youâre lifts will drop⊠for someone 10kg lighter, leaner etc⊠his lifts (pound for pound) are miles ahead of yours
Wow comparing 3 years university degree to a certificate didnt realise someone with a 500 dollar ACE cert could work in clinical settings. Pseudoscience i was just using the word ectomorph so youâre feeble mind would understand what i was trying to say. âThat my genetic physiology wants to be smallâ. Its insulting that you say the only difference between my degree and a certified trainer is i can apply for a masters. Im going into medical ultrasounds you pleb why on earth would i want my 3 year science degree be used to do the same job as someone with a certificate. Just because im qualified to do a trainers job you dismiss all the other jobs im qualified to perform. When your suffering from osteoperosis when your 70 or trying to recover post stent, I want all the physiologists around you to know the only thing you think there qualified to do is be a trainer. (CRAZY) this guy.
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I agree with you in that the person weâre arguing with isnât a nice person⊠however heâs right about one thing⊠WHY use tren?
out of everything, why trenbolone⊠Why use the one thing that makes most feel like absolute shit. With 19-nors youâre playing with fire, youâre seriously looking at the prospect of requiring TRT. Androgen + progestin comboâs are extremely suppressive
Damn bro you went on a straight up monologue to defend pedophiles⊠who does that?
Even this guy wouldnât go that far:
I def agree with you on the anti-androgens. Law in developed countries like where you and I live is only reactive if an individual acts on their urges. This isnât 1984 where people can go to jail for thoughtcrime. But regardless, I wouldnât want you around any kids because youâre straight up creepy based off your syntax and ideology. That being said, I donât think you should be in jail because being weird isnât a crime.
As far as sounding like a psycho, I didnât ask for a scientific process about how ammonia works. You put that out there to sound like youâre some mad scientist.
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Your genetic physiology doesnât want you to be small. Thatâs your diet and training.
You literally hopped on 3 cycles, now 4, to be slightly stronger than your average gym-goer
I love the adaptations i get with these drugs call it a borderline addiction, and as i said if tren makes me feel like shit im not the type to keep doing it i only take stuff which makes me feel better. Im 4 days in early days no sides, but if i get even a whiff of personality change or negative side effects that will effect myself and others around me as i said ill stop immediately. Im also very stubborn and rather than listening to what everyone else has experienced i like to see how i will react. So my reason is literally my curiosity exceeds my common sense.
See this is a bad argument. I went on a monologue to show why youâre argument was incoherent⊠ignorant even⊠you donât answer the flaws within youâre arguments, you double down with rhetoric that makes no sense. The monologue was to disprove youâre ideology and extrapolate upon why youâre so irritating. Had I kept it short and sweet you wouldâve still found a way to be a dick about it.
You come across as a snarling troll leeching under a bridge looking to grab at those most vulnerable. Spent time on the Pharma forum doing something else other than attacking people
Thatâs how you perceive it to be. I tend to type down the way I think⊠especially in response to when you said there was no risk to fine motor skills
Ideology? and syntax, youâre discriminating based upon me having autismâŠ
If youâre referring to me having autism⊠being autistic should never be a crime⊠if youâre still doubling down and still telling me Iâm a pedo⊠seriously?
âno youâ
Defending pedophilia and going on egotistical monologues arenât autistic traits as far as I know.
This I agree with
If you scroll up, I called you âa closet pedoâ. I have no evidence that you harm children or want to. But itâs incredibly strange to passionately defend them as if they were âyour preciousâ
OMG i literally just said my diet and training are very good. Slightly stronger than your average gym goer i dont know what gym you go to but no one in my gym is benching 150 at 80kg. You downplay genetics very hard as well up play your lifting stats at your weight and body fat percentage very high. My body dosent want to carry body fat thats not a myth, thats not me making shit up in order for me to gain a pound of bf i would have to eat a person. And as ive said ive done it got to maybe 14% bf at 85 kg and i was eating close to 7000 calories. Ive pushed my body preety far from 50kg. In my mind you have no idea what your talking about probably have no scientific qualification at all. Youâve proably watched a 20 minute youtube video of how being natty means your a god in the fitness world and push that as an exuse to let yourself be obese and lifting heavy while claiming you know how to train. pfttttt
But I donât defend pedophilia, once again this is one of the flawed arguments you continually bring up. Nor are my monologues egotistical, this is the way YOU perceive it. I defend the notion that someone doesnât deserve the DEATH penalty if they havenât done anything wrong because some other guy was saying they deserved such penalties for thought rather than action⊠you called me a pedo for doing soâŠ
I just did a QUICK SIMPLE GOOGLE SEARCH HERE
âWhen theyâre talking people with AS may not put everything together into a cohesive package that the listener understands. They may seem to ramble on, go off on tangents, or not arrive at any particular point.â
I donât consider myself to not arrive at any point⊠I do believe I go off on tangents though.
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Iâm defending the fact that a certain demographic doesnât deserve the death penalty. I think pedophelia is disgusting, I personally canât understand why someone would be attracted to child⊠just as I canât understand why people are attracted to animals, objects, why some have fetishes for cannibalism etc⊠doesnât mean Iâm going to say âdue to neurological hardwiring beyond youâre control you deserve to die even though you havenât committed a crimeâ⊠no, I think âgo seek help, there are meds we can use to help youâ
Thereâs a subset of OCD dedicated to those who have intrusive violent/abnormal sexual thoughts, clearly these people need to be put to death too. For the majority of these aforementioned people, the thoughts bother them
ignore this melon 32 year old intellectual who thinks he knows it all with no knowledge behind his back. Classic example of someone who knows all but knows nothing. Nothing you have said is wrong, he is literally just pushing this pedo comment to get a reaction. If anything heâs closer to the pedo as he tries to dismiss it so hard rather than understanding it. Just ignore him