Survivorman or Man vs Wild

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[quote]Split wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
mapwhap wrote:

  1. Bear is a veteran of the British SAS. That has never been called into question. There are no better soldiers in the world. (And that includes our over-glorified Navy SEALS, who every teenager on here has a homo fetish for.) Bear has gone through, arguably, the toughest selection process in the world to become a member of that regiment. He has nothing to prove to me, you guys, or anyone else. His “toughness” is not in question.

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Suggest you find out the opinion of a genuine military hard man; Micheal Ryan - the guy who wrote Bravo 2 Zero, about the British special forces team that got trapped behind Iraqui lines during the gulf war.

His opinion of Bear and whether he was in the SAS or not, is pretty blunt. He is adamant that bear is a fraud.

I like Bears show for entertainment, but that’s about all it is. Les has authenticity-a-plenty. You can see how he pushes his body, even in the face of no food. No wonder he’s not as athletic as bear; he regularly starves himself for days at a time.

BBB

I believe Michael Ryan is the most hated man in the British Military for those books, and yes i have read them all.[/quote]

Who’s this guy you’re talking about? What are the books about?

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Split wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
mapwhap wrote:

  1. Bear is a veteran of the British SAS. That has never been called into question. There are no better soldiers in the world. (And that includes our over-glorified Navy SEALS, who every teenager on here has a homo fetish for.) Bear has gone through, arguably, the toughest selection process in the world to become a member of that regiment. He has nothing to prove to me, you guys, or anyone else. His “toughness” is not in question.

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Suggest you find out the opinion of a genuine military hard man; Micheal Ryan - the guy who wrote Bravo 2 Zero, about the British special forces team that got trapped behind Iraqui lines during the gulf war.

His opinion of Bear and whether he was in the SAS or not, is pretty blunt. He is adamant that bear is a fraud.

I like Bears show for entertainment, but that’s about all it is. Les has authenticity-a-plenty. You can see how he pushes his body, even in the face of no food. No wonder he’s not as athletic as bear; he regularly starves himself for days at a time.

BBB

I believe Michael Ryan is the most hated man in the British Military for those books, and yes i have read them all.

Who’s this guy you’re talking about? What are the books about? [/quote]

Also, how is there any confusion as to whether someone is/was SAS or not? Isn’t that the kind of thing one can’t fake?

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It seems that he was a member of the SAS.

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Sir? Jeezus, do I look THAT old already . . . ? :slight_smile:

[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Sir, I’m gonna need you to calm down. Its just a show.

Damici wrote:
You clearly have NO idea what it means to have been in the British SAS. None whatsoever.

Nor do you have any appreciation for the fact that he broke his back in a parachuting accident when he was training with the SAS, and AFTER that, recovered and climbed Mt. Everest (youngest Brit ever to do so).

Yes, he takes unnecessary risks on the show to make it more interesting, and to show you how to handle certain terrain if you had no other choice. That doesn’t mean he’d take unnecessary risks in a real survival situation. Clearly he wouldn’t.

Read up on what the SAS selection course (and subsequent training) is like.

DeterminedNate wrote:
Les Stroud would kick Bear Grylls’ ass. He would straight up whoop his ass.

Bear is a fraud, with a gaudy background and good climbing skills.

Les is a true survivor. Les will go out into the middle of the Kalahari, where its a 120 degrees, starve with no food and water, sit under a tree the whole time, and find a way to survive. The guy is constantly starving himself for days on end. He puts himself through real mental/physical stress. There are no hotels, or Mars bars, or throwing a rock at a rabbit from 50 feet away and somehow miraculously killing that rabbit. But there is Les spending 6 hours trying to start a fire. Or him spending another 9 hours trying to catch a fish… and failing at it.

If you were lost in the middle of nowhere, who would you rather have with you to survive? Les, EASILY.

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Sir, put the gun down. No one has to die today. Just put the gun down, lift your sack, and spread your cheeks. Everything will be alright.

[quote]Damici wrote:
Sir? Jeezus, do I look THAT old already . . . ? :slight_smile:

WolBarret wrote:
Sir, I’m gonna need you to calm down. Its just a show.

Damici wrote:
You clearly have NO idea what it means to have been in the British SAS. None whatsoever.

Nor do you have any appreciation for the fact that he broke his back in a parachuting accident when he was training with the SAS, and AFTER that, recovered and climbed Mt. Everest (youngest Brit ever to do so).

Yes, he takes unnecessary risks on the show to make it more interesting, and to show you how to handle certain terrain if you had no other choice. That doesn’t mean he’d take unnecessary risks in a real survival situation. Clearly he wouldn’t.

Read up on what the SAS selection course (and subsequent training) is like.

DeterminedNate wrote:
Les Stroud would kick Bear Grylls’ ass. He would straight up whoop his ass.

Bear is a fraud, with a gaudy background and good climbing skills.

Les is a true survivor. Les will go out into the middle of the Kalahari, where its a 120 degrees, starve with no food and water, sit under a tree the whole time, and find a way to survive. The guy is constantly starving himself for days on end. He puts himself through real mental/physical stress. There are no hotels, or Mars bars, or throwing a rock at a rabbit from 50 feet away and somehow miraculously killing that rabbit. But there is Les spending 6 hours trying to start a fire. Or him spending another 9 hours trying to catch a fish… and failing at it.

If you were lost in the middle of nowhere, who would you rather have with you to survive? Les, EASILY.

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What do Bear’s military credentials have to do with any of this?

This isnt a debate of who can kick whose ass or who can outwork the other, it’s simply a matter of what show is better, and what host is better at their specialty: surviving.

Comparing Les Stroud to Bear Grylls is like comparing Fedor to Shawn Michaels. One is the the fucking man, and the other just pretends to be the fucking man.

While Bear may be the handsome, fit young man, he is all show. He does stupid impractical shit that no one in their right mind would do in a survival situation. He has an entire camera crew and who knows what else. Some of his stuff has already proven to be fake (the youtube links), and there are plenty of other rumors which may or may not be true.

Les is busting his ass, filming the entire time, carrying his cameras, doing things multiple times to get the proper shot, all while on little to no food. Les doesn’t bring Powerbars on his adventures. And he is no young kid, either. On top of that, his knowledge is absolutely incredible.

Put simply, if you want mixed martial arts, watch Survivorman. If you want pretend fighting, WWE entertainment, watch Man Vs Wild; but to me, nothing is more entertaining than the real thing, and Les is the real deal.

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[quote]SonnabenD wrote:
Comparing Les Stroud to Bear Grylls is like comparing Fedor to Shawn Michaels.

Hahaha, well played.

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[quote]ctschneider wrote:
Say what you will, but a sucessful ascent of Everest has been significantly devalued in the last couple decades).[/quote]

What if you do it 18 months after partially crushing three vertebrae?

What are your thoughts on Ama Dablam (he climbed that - and set the record as the youngest limey to do so, as well)?

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Split wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
mapwhap wrote:

  1. Bear is a veteran of the British SAS. That has never been called into question. There are no better soldiers in the world. (And that includes our over-glorified Navy SEALS, who every teenager on here has a homo fetish for.) Bear has gone through, arguably, the toughest selection process in the world to become a member of that regiment. He has nothing to prove to me, you guys, or anyone else. His “toughness” is not in question.

.

Suggest you find out the opinion of a genuine military hard man; Micheal Ryan - the guy who wrote Bravo 2 Zero, about the British special forces team that got trapped behind Iraqui lines during the gulf war.

His opinion of Bear and whether he was in the SAS or not, is pretty blunt. He is adamant that bear is a fraud.

I like Bears show for entertainment, but that’s about all it is. Les has authenticity-a-plenty. You can see how he pushes his body, even in the face of no food. No wonder he’s not as athletic as bear; he regularly starves himself for days at a time.

BBB

I believe Michael Ryan is the most hated man in the British Military for those books, and yes i have read them all.

Who’s this guy you’re talking about? What are the books about?

Also, how is there any confusion as to whether someone is/was SAS or not? Isn’t that the kind of thing one can’t fake?

Well that’s the thing. I’m pretty sure the British Military will neither confirm nor deny ANY names/identities and whether they served in the SAS. You can’t just look on a list of names because there are many who would like to get the locations and details of ex-SAS soldiers, for revenge purposes.

Also, every other soldier whose ever been in the SAS seems completely paranoid and closed-mouthed about it. Not our bright boy Bear Grylls though, which does make me a little skeptical.

He obviously knows some shit, but ex-SAS? Since no-one can confirm it, I guess he could be making it up.

And just because it says it in his bio doesn’t add any more credibility in my eyes.

BBB[/quote]

Ah, that makes much more sense.

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[quote]SonnabenD wrote:

Comparing Les Stroud to Bear Grylls is like comparing Fedor to Shawn Michaels. One is the the fucking man, and the other just pretends to be the fucking man.

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Haha. That’s one of the best analogies I have ever heard.

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I don’t beleive for one second bear was in british special forces or anything like it. If he climbed everest they practicly carried him up. I have read up on everest climbes read that joe krakouer book one women who wanted to be the first to climb the tallest 7 peaks on each contenent was the wife of a billion and just payed to literally be carried up for the hard parts. (thank god she got beat by a real climber)

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This conversation is on almost every single message board I read. This conversation also has the same retarded nonsense as every other thread as well.

Man vs. Wild is an entertainment show. The things Grylls attempts REQUIRE the aid and supervision of his crew. Les would not do the things that Grylls does without the supervision of his crew either. The basic premise of the show requires additional cameramen to film. If there were no additional crew members, there would not be a show and nor would there be film of it.

Survivorman does not require the aid of additional cameramen and crew. Are they available to Les if he needs them… of course. Don’t be retarded and think that if he needed help, he wouldn’t have a way of communicating with his crew. It’s just a T.V. show and the safety of the only performer is the highest concern.

The problem with these discussions is that you have really stupid people attributing the respective show’s characteristics to the host, which is just retarded. As a person, Grylls’ qualifications imply that he could do exactly what Les does. However, I am not sure the same could be said about Les.

Now, I am sure if Discovery came to you and asked you to host Man vs. Wild you would tell them, ‘Fuck no, don’t give me any help I am too hardcore for that shit.’ Later, then they told you, ‘We will pay you millions of dollars so we are going to provide help to safeguard our investment.’ At which point, you all of the sudden become a fake pussy, according to the internet. Nice logic.

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A guy I knew was part of the german special forces KSK - which are tough motherlovers.

Strange thing was, he didn’t seem very badass to me. At all. And my definition doesn’t even require a bulging biceps or cracking hardcore remarks. Far from it. He looked like the average loser to me.

Well, a few months later I found out he was just a papertiger. His job was sitting on front of the desk so the real operators could get busy.
Maybe Grylls was such a guy?

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We have no way of knowing the details of what Bear did in the SAS, but to pass the selection course itself it is well documented that you have to be a pretty hard son of a bitch. That aside, we DO know that he’s an expert climber.

Climbed Everest at 23 – did this about 18 months AFTER breaking his back in 3 places – has climbed other high peaks (don’t recall the names), he does, single-handedly, display some very intense climbing skills on the show which can’t be faked, he skydives (into location at times), has gone through the French Foreign Legion selection course . . .

Say what you will, but he’s not some desk jockey. That’s just silly.

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
A guy I knew was part of the german special forces KSK - which are tough motherlovers.

Strange thing was, he didn’t seem very badass to me. At all. And my definition doesn’t even require a bulging biceps or cracking hardcore remarks. Far from it. He looked like the average loser to me.

Well, a few months later I found out he was just a papertiger. His job was sitting on front of the desk so the real operators could get busy.
Maybe Grylls was such a guy?[/quote]

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survivorman. les knows alot and entertains himself with the harmonica. good stuff.

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[quote]Damici wrote:
We have no way of knowing the details of what Bear did in the SAS, but to pass the selection course itself it is well documented that you have to be a pretty hard son of a bitch. That aside, we DO know that he’s an expert climber.

Climbed Everest at 23 – did this about 18 months AFTER breaking his back in 3 places – has climbed other high peaks (don’t recall the names), he does, single-handedly, display some very intense climbing skills on the show which can’t be faked, he skydives (into location at times), has gone through the French Foreign Legion selection course . . .

Say what you will, but he’s not some desk jockey. That’s just silly.

Schwarzfahrer wrote:
A guy I knew was part of the german special forces KSK - which are tough motherlovers.

Strange thing was, he didn’t seem very badass to me. At all. And my definition doesn’t even require a bulging biceps or cracking hardcore remarks. Far from it. He looked like the average loser to me.

Well, a few months later I found out he was just a papertiger. His job was sitting on front of the desk so the real operators could get busy.
Maybe Grylls was such a guy?

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He could have been anything in the SAS. He’s damn good climber, obviously, but that doesn’t make him an SAS grunt, exactly. At this point, we can’t really say.