hey everyone, i have been using 2 scoops Anaconda, 2 scoops MAG-10 and one scoop Surge Workout Fuel during my workouts for the past few months. Recently i am debating weather or not to order Anaconda again. can i get the same results by adding creatine to MAG-10 and Surge Workout Fuel? or am i missing something about Anaconda that really makes it a must have.
as a side note- my goals are gain as much mass as possible while limiting fat gain.
You may want to check the store. Formulas changed recently. You don’t want to mix anything with Anaconda, unless you want to add creatine malate. See label for optimal usage guidelines of new formulas. No need for SWF when following Anaconda label.
http://www.t-nation.com/store/supplements/anaconda-mag-10.jsp
Anaconda makes me spend more time on the toilet than I’d like, so I’ve been doing two scoops each of SWF and MAG-10, adding creatine monohydrate. Seems to be working well.
[quote]burt128 wrote:
Anaconda makes me spend more time on the toilet than I’d like, so I’ve been doing two scoops each of SWF and Mag10, adding creatine monohydrate. Seems to be working well.[/quote]
That sounds like the old version of Anaconda (small tub - the new formula comes in a big tub). I’m not sure if anyone has problems with the new one. Also, if you’re using the new MAG-10 (big tub, same size as SWF) don’t mix it with SWF.
B.
[quote]Chris Shugart wrote:
You may want to check the store. Formulas changed recently. You don’t want to mix anything with Anaconda, unless you want to add creatine malate. See label for optimal usage guidelines of new formulas. No need for SWF when following Anaconda label.
http://www.T-Nation.com/store/supplements/anaconda-MAG-10.jsp[/quote]
So you suggest Anaconda by itself? Not even with the MAG-10? I may have been confused because of reading old forum posts about Anaconda. did the old formula of anaconda have a lot of creatine, and the new one doesnt? Because ive read a acouple posts about not needing creatine when taking anaconda. My main concern is that i cannot afford to buy all three. I am really looking for best one to drink durring my training. would that be Anaconda by itself?
[quote]BiP wrote:
[quote]burt128 wrote:
Anaconda makes me spend more time on the toilet than I’d like, so I’ve been doing two scoops each of SWF and Mag10, adding creatine monohydrate. Seems to be working well.[/quote]
That sounds like the old version of Anaconda (small tub - the new formula comes in a big tub). I’m not sure if anyone has problems with the new one. Also, if you’re using the new MAG-10 (big tub, same size as SWF) don’t mix it with SWF.
B.[/quote]
Do you buy directly from the site or somewhere in the UK? I would send you a PM but they don’t work.
How much does it cost you?
Anaconda by itself during training. MAG-10 after. Add creatine malate if you want.
This is the best peri-workout nutrition plan using the new formulas.
[quote]BiP wrote:
[quote]burt128 wrote:
Anaconda makes me spend more time on the toilet than I’d like, so I’ve been doing two scoops each of SWF and Mag10, adding creatine monohydrate. Seems to be working well.[/quote]
That sounds like the old version of Anaconda (small tub - the new formula comes in a big tub). I’m not sure if anyone has problems with the new one. Also, if you’re using the new MAG-10 (big tub, same size as SWF) don’t mix it with SWF.
B.[/quote]
Why cant you add the two together?
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]BiP wrote:
[quote]burt128 wrote:
Anaconda makes me spend more time on the toilet than I’d like, so I’ve been doing two scoops each of SWF and Mag10, adding creatine monohydrate. Seems to be working well.[/quote]
That sounds like the old version of Anaconda (small tub - the new formula comes in a big tub). I’m not sure if anyone has problems with the new one. Also, if you’re using the new MAG-10 (big tub, same size as SWF) don’t mix it with SWF.
B.[/quote]
Do you buy directly from the site or somewhere in the UK? I would send you a PM but they don’t work.
How much does it cost you?[/quote]
I buy directly from here. Since I order big packages, the shipping cost scales down a bit and it’s a little bit cheaper than from Biotest UK.
B.
[quote]justinpalmz wrote:
[quote]BiP wrote:
[quote]burt128 wrote:
Anaconda makes me spend more time on the toilet than I’d like, so I’ve been doing two scoops each of SWF and Mag10, adding creatine monohydrate. Seems to be working well.[/quote]
That sounds like the old version of Anaconda (small tub - the new formula comes in a big tub). I’m not sure if anyone has problems with the new one. Also, if you’re using the new MAG-10 (big tub, same size as SWF) don’t mix it with SWF.
B.[/quote]
Why cant you add the two together?[/quote]
The new version of MAG-10 was designed much later than Surge Workout Fuel and with very specific ingredient ratios in mind. Chris has recommended very strongly against mixing the two (or the new Anaconda and Surge Workout Fuel) together multiple times, due to it possibly screwing up with the effectiveness of the formula.
[quote]BiP wrote:
[quote]justinpalmz wrote:
[quote]BiP wrote:
[quote]burt128 wrote:
Anaconda makes me spend more time on the toilet than I’d like, so I’ve been doing two scoops each of SWF and Mag10, adding creatine monohydrate. Seems to be working well.[/quote]
That sounds like the old version of Anaconda (small tub - the new formula comes in a big tub). I’m not sure if anyone has problems with the new one. Also, if you’re using the new MAG-10 (big tub, same size as SWF) don’t mix it with SWF.
B.[/quote]
Why cant you add the two together?[/quote]
The new version of MAG-10 was designed much later than Surge Workout Fuel and with very specific ingredient ratios in mind. Chris has recommended very strongly against mixing the two (or the new Anaconda and Surge Workout Fuel) together multiple times, due to it possibly screwing up with the effectiveness of the formula.[/quote]
I’ve been mixing the two together ever since they changed the formula. I can’t tell any difference from before when I was mixing the two together using the old formula. If anything, I think I like mixing the two together now better than when they were using the old formula. I have a hard time believing mixing them together is somehow going to decrease the effectiveness of the formula.
[quote]burt128 wrote:
[quote]BiP wrote:
[quote]justinpalmz wrote:
[quote]BiP wrote:
[quote]burt128 wrote:
Anaconda makes me spend more time on the toilet than I’d like, so I’ve been doing two scoops each of SWF and Mag10, adding creatine monohydrate. Seems to be working well.[/quote]
That sounds like the old version of Anaconda (small tub - the new formula comes in a big tub). I’m not sure if anyone has problems with the new one. Also, if you’re using the new MAG-10 (big tub, same size as SWF) don’t mix it with SWF.
B.[/quote]
Why cant you add the two together?[/quote]
The new version of MAG-10 was designed much later than Surge Workout Fuel and with very specific ingredient ratios in mind. Chris has recommended very strongly against mixing the two (or the new Anaconda and Surge Workout Fuel) together multiple times, due to it possibly screwing up with the effectiveness of the formula.[/quote]
I’ve been mixing the two together ever since they changed the formula. I can’t tell any difference from before when I was mixing the two together using the old formula. If anything, I think I like mixing the two together now better than when they were using the old formula. I have a hard time believing mixing them together is somehow going to decrease the effectiveness of the formula.
[/quote]
Honestly, its your money so i guess there is going to be no convincing you at the end of the day but, Tim Patterson developed each product with specific ratios for each type of application, so Anaconda for lifting, MAG-10 for pulsing and Surge Workout Fuel for longer duration conditioning sessions.
Additionally, this saves both time and money as you no longer need to mix 3 different things together as you had to previously. Anaconda has about 50% more product in it compared to the older version as well, these new formulas are designed to be stronger than the previous inception.
So, if the guy who took the time to develop each one is saying not to screw with the formula, i’m probably going to take his word as he knows better than me. Not to mention they are actually recommending buying less product in this case as Anaconda has you covered during training. As i said though its your money but you could be saving a lot more and getting the full benefits.
Well, I suppose I’ll try the new Anaconda and see if it causes the same issues for me that the old one did.
[quote]burt128 wrote:
Well, I suppose I’ll try the new Anaconda and see if it causes the same issues for me that the old one did.[/quote]
I had issues with the old formula as well, the new version has given me zero problems, when it was redesigned they took out ingredients that were giving some people the issues.
So, the saving money part isn’t exactly right, at least for what I was doing. The drink I have been making (2 scoops SWF and 2 scoops Mag-10) costs $4.76 per serving. 3 scoops of Anaconda, which seems roughly equivalent, is $8.04 per serving. At 4 sessions a week, that makes the Anaconda about $55 more expensive per month than the old drink I was making. That’s pretty hard to justify unless there is something significantly more beneficial in the Anaconda. I’m not seeing it. I’m also having trouble understanding how mixing SWF and Mag-10 together could be a bad thing when many of the same ingredients that appear in the mix are what shows up in Anaconda.
In any event, I have a bottle of the Anaconda that I somehow accidentally ordered when I was trying to order the Mag-10. I’ll try it and see if I can tell any difference. I had some earlier and thankfully no stomach issues yet.
[quote]burt128 wrote:
So, the saving money part isn’t exactly right, at least for what I was doing. The drink I have been making (2 scoops SWF and 2 scoops Mag-10) costs $4.76 per serving. 3 scoops of Anaconda, which seems roughly equivalent, is $8.04 per serving. At 4 sessions a week, that makes the Anaconda about $55 more expensive per month than the old drink I was making. That’s pretty hard to justify unless there is something significantly more beneficial in the Anaconda. I’m not seeing it. I’m also having trouble understanding how mixing SWF and Mag-10 together could be a bad thing when many of the same ingredients that appear in the mix are what shows up in Anaconda.
In any event, I have a bottle of the Anaconda that I somehow accidentally ordered when I was trying to order the Mag-10. I’ll try it and see if I can tell any difference. I had some earlier and thankfully no stomach issues yet.[/quote]
Unless you train WITH INTENSITY for 90 minutes 2 scoops Anaconda will be enough. You could do 3 on lower body days, maybe, but stick to 2 on upper body days.
[quote]BiP wrote:
[quote]burt128 wrote:
So, the saving money part isn’t exactly right, at least for what I was doing. The drink I have been making (2 scoops SWF and 2 scoops MAG-10) costs $4.76 per serving. 3 scoops of Anaconda, which seems roughly equivalent, is $8.04 per serving. At 4 sessions a week, that makes the Anaconda about $55 more expensive per month than the old drink I was making. That’s pretty hard to justify unless there is something significantly more beneficial in the Anaconda. I’m not seeing it. I’m also having trouble understanding how mixing SWF and MAG-10 together could be a bad thing when many of the same ingredients that appear in the mix are what shows up in Anaconda.
In any event, I have a bottle of the Anaconda that I somehow accidentally ordered when I was trying to order the MAG-10. I’ll try it and see if I can tell any difference. I had some earlier and thankfully no stomach issues yet.[/quote]
Unless you train WITH INTENSITY for 90 minutes 2 scoops Anaconda will be enough. You could do 3 on lower body days, maybe, but stick to 2 on upper body days.[/quote]
That’s less calories, less protein, less carbs, etc. than what I’m doing now and is still more expensive per serving. Granted, it isn’t a lot more expensive, but it is still more.
Can someone direct me to an explanation of why mixing the new formula MAG-10 and SWF is a bad idea?
[quote]burt128 wrote:
Can someone direct me to an explanation of why mixing the new formula MAG-10 and SWF is a bad idea?[/quote]
I can’t think of one. In fact, you’re getting the Beta Alanine that way since it was removed from Anaconda. Throw some of the DiCreatine Malate in it and you’ve basically got the old Anaconda+SWF formula (plus a few extra carbs) [assuming the ‘leucine rich’ formula of the hydroslate is the same and just re-worded on the label].
[quote]gabex wrote:
[quote]burt128 wrote:
Can someone direct me to an explanation of why mixing the new formula MAG-10 and SWF is a bad idea?[/quote]
I can’t think of one. In fact, you’re getting the Beta Alanine that way since it was removed from Anaconda. Throw some of the DiCreatine Malate in it and you’ve basically got the old Anaconda+SWF formula (plus a few extra carbs) [assuming the ‘leucine rich’ formula of the hydroslate is the same and just re-worded on the label].[/quote]
Yeah, I can’t either. I’ve been throwing in some creatine monohydrate and that seems to be working well – I’ve always responded to it.