You tell ‘em! Wish the media would be more fair and easy on Biden. If they’d only scrutinize Trump half as much.
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Let’s dispose of the “Russia collusion” hoax over this laptop, it’s Hunter’s. Hunter’s lawyer called the repair shop after the story dropped to see if they could retrieve the hard drive, thus claiming ownership. And there’s more:
“Asked if the laptop was part of Russian disinformation, Ratcliffe replied: ‘Let me be clear: the intelligence community doesn’t believe that, because there is no intelligence that supports that. And we have shared no intelligence with Chairman Schiff, or any member of Congress that Hunter Biden’s laptop is part of some Russian disinformation campaign. It’s simply not true.’”
“[The FBI] investigation does not center around Russian disinformation,” he replied,
@loppar I want my bridge. With a giant bow on top. I am going to setup toll booths on either side of it, where can I go to see it?
Rewind back to 2016 and Trump’s main (sole?) motivation for even entering the arena was largely (entirely?) to build hype for the Trump brand (and a subsequent Trump TV type venture to follow all the campaigning-related exposure)
Imagine still waiting for a pivot from that mentality to one of a competent statesman. Or better yet, deciding that “hE sTaNdS uP tO tHe LiBtArDs!” is reason enough for “fOuR mOaR yEaRs!”
Strait from the FBI’s mouth. Not a shred of evidence of Russian disinformation:
Let’s say we accept this. Now we need to show that the PDFs of a photo of an email came from Hunter Biden. Can you do that?
After that we would need to show that Biden acted on behalf of Hunter in an illegal way because of the emails. Can you do that?
This story is IMO the GoP grasping at straws. I’ll take it seriously once evidence is available.
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The emails collected from hunters business partner are not pdf’s but actual emails direct from his email account. They coincide perfectly with the emails from hunters laptop. There’s your proof.
Exclusive — Peter Schweizer: Hunter Biden’s Flipped Business Partner Provided 26,000 Emails https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/18/exclusive-peter-schweizer-hunter-bidens-flipped-business-partner-provided-26000-emails/
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Where are the actual emails? It appears this is an article about a convicted felon claiming they are the real emails, and an editor explaining what the emails said. This isn’t acceptable evidence.
The article is suspect as it is from Breitbart. Also claiming 26,000 emails seems a bit ridiculous. Clearly there isn’t 26,000 relevant emails from Hunter.
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So Trumps associates being convicted of crimes is evidence of his own wrong doing, but Hunter Bidens business partners being convicted of crimes is Not evidence of his.
Is that your position?
I can understand some level of skepticism on all things political, but the level of recalcitrance I see with this Biden thing is childlike.
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Have I made that argument? I don’t think I have (at least not recently). I think you might have me confused with someone else.
Is it not reasonable to expect evidence for a claim?
This narrative requires lots of assumptions. Let’s say I concede that Hunter did email his father asking him to use his political power to do corrupt things. Is there any evidence that Joe actually did said things because of the request?
It is. And there are records of the transactions from Burisma to Hunter Biden.
And this narrative requires the belief in Coincidence. These great things just suddenly Happened to a degenerate who couldn’t get a job at McDonald’s, but Bam! Ukrainian energy companies just happen to have interest in him, which coincides with his father’s time in the white house. Like some waves of serendipitous energy connected from across the globe, and Hunter Bidens talent for operating in the foreign energy sector was born.
I’m sorry. My legs just aren’t that strong. I can’t make that leap.
Like I sad, skepticism, sure. But this level of recalcitrance, Nope.
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Oh, I am willing to concede that he got the job because of his last name. No argument there.
This seems to be proof of the claim that Hunter Biden worked for Burisma. I don’t and haven’t disputed that.
I am disputing that there is evidence that Joe Biden did corrupt things because his son worked there. There is a lack of evidence to support that. It appears that the actions Joe Biden took were supported and expected, and praised after the fact.
Is it corrupt for someone to profit off of their family? I think Hunter has done this unquestionably.
Right here. These are the first that have been published.
If you read the article he stated that these aren’t copies of emails. He was given the login information to the email account. He never said all 26,000 related to Hunter, just that he had access to 26,000 emails and is gong through them.
I know you don’t accept Breitbart as legitimate news, but they had an exclusive on this and it wasn’t reported anywhere else. Just because Breitbart is on the right doesn’t mean this story is false any more than the msm reporting automatically makes a story true, and people here always link to msm as proof.
They can spin this all they want. It’s starting to look pretty legit. And yes, it’s WAY worse than anything Trump is accused of doing.
Is it corruption to use a family member as a financial proxy?
I know, question with a question is bad form.
I’m just sharing perspective, not demanding an answer.
While we’re still near the subject of mystical energies though,
How the fuck is the Bidens not the poster people for White Privilege? What kind of voodoo has prevented this?
They need to send the Trumps a Christmas card for that.
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Isn’t this the textbook definition of corruption for politicians?
Somehow, someway, an array of businesses and individuals found it worthwhile to pay Hunter Biden, a crack smoker with no industry experience, vast sums of money.
I don’t think it was because they liked his name or even because he’s Lit AF to party with.
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What? That article did not have any actual emails.
Maybe I am out of the loop, but I haven’t seen any actual emails yet. Breitbart did not provide them. They provided a claim that a guy had access to them, and to take his word.
A claim isn’t evidence. Show me verifiable emails. For some reason these emails haven’t been produced even though it sure would be advantageous for the people making the claims that they have them 
Sure, do you know how we determine if the story is likely true or likely false. Evidence. Not claims.
I am not convinced Hunter was acting as a proxy for Biden.
It is possible that he was selling himself as a proxy without his father knowing. It is possible Biden was in on it. It is possible that Hunter wasn’t selling himself as a proxy (but Burisma assumed he was). We have all of these possibilities (plus likely some I am not thinking of). How do we tell which one is true (or at least mostly likely to be true)? I would think we would need evidence for that. The evidence we currently have allows for all of these possibilities to be true.
I think it depends on how they make a profit.
I failed to link the other article. It’s there now.
I’m just glad to see actual voters giving consideration to the idea that these things are, in fact, possible.
It would require a suspension of belief which I am not capable of to accept that Joe Biden spent a lifetime in politics and never learned how to set up any personal enrichment schemes.
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Ok how about this? Members of the Chinese entrepreneurs club admitted to meeting with Joe Biden. All arranged by Hunter and his partners.
Joe Biden’s Transition Co-Chair Hosted Hunter Biden-Linked Chinese Elites at Obama White House Joe Biden's Transition Co-Chair Hosted Chinese Elites at Obama WH
I took a look at the other article. They are using the same guy to make their claims (without evidence). I am not saying they are right or wrong, but that based on the article we can’t conclude either.
It is possible. I also believe that there is a higher possibility that Hunter did something corrupt than Joe. Now there is an innocent possibility for Hunter, but more possibilities that are corrupt (and IMO more likely). For Joe, I don’t see much of substance with this one.
Hmm, I don’t necessarily have a good sense of what percent of long term politicians are or aren’t corrupt. Certainly some exist that have stuck to being honest.
There are elements required to constitute corruption which Hunter Biden lacks. Like, he hasn’t been endowed with the responsibility of acting in the publics interest by election or appointment, that I know of anyways.
I truly believe that they all self serve first and foremost. There’s simply an acceptable level and an unacceptable level.
Good politicians just know to leave enough on the table for others to believe that they got their own fair share too.
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