You do this a lot. Other politicians have lied before so Trumps the same. Other politicians have made some money so Trumps the same. Do you not think levels of things matter at all? Trump is by FAR the most dishonest President in history. But the sheer volume of his lies don’t matter because other people lie?
You’re very dismissive of people criticizing him with a simple “oh he’s not the only one.”
Come on. Trump is a real man. A manly man. We all know they use the excuse, “I’m not the only one to do it.”
You’re blowing me away here. His beliefs have changed a million times because they aren’t real. They are based on what he hears or thinks is popular. Gets them from cable news or radio. Changes like the weather.
Fighting? Come on he’s incredibly lazy who watches cable news and tweets all day. Is being a troll really fighting? “Look he retweeted Obama killed Seal team 6, what a fighter!” The last President was attacked by the right just as much. Trumps not special other than the fact that he asks for attacks by shitting on every person around. “He bashed all these people and they got mad about it. He’s such a victim!”
The right flipped over Obama golfing and Trump does it more
LMAO. You’d argue he has strong moral principles? Serious question are you talking about Trump? He’s stated that he doesn’t care about what happens after his presidency. He’s governed that way as well.
Really? You mean he’s deliberately gone against front line workers? You mean the guy who shit on POW’s and gold star family members and generals has great respect for the military?
Since when is being an asshole, spending an insane amount of money, etc conservative values? He’s counter to what conservatives have stood for in almost every way.
This is an incredible post. Your love for the guy is causing you to say some really crazy things man.
Only recently when they didn’t put out a platform, and said we just want what Trump wants.
Reich sounds about right.
I’ll say one thing about Trump - he is the biggest lightning rod that l recall in my 60 years.
Reich penned a notable paper about centralized planning/oversight of ‘private’ industry (aka the Fascist method of dealing with the economy) which was pushed by Mondale before his losing to Reagan 49-1, was/is? a professor at Berkeley, and was Labor Sec for Clinton.
I am surprised he has written against Trump with so much zeal for 5 years.
For sure but a lot of this is self inflicted. You’re going to get a lot of attention when you treat people the way he does.
I would put Reagan ahead of him. Especially on a global scale.
I’ll be honest here, that post was meant to stir up some s@#t. Guess I felt a little troll-ish late last night.
HOWEVER,
It’s not that I think it’s ok for Trump to lie just because others lie. It’s the fact that everyone on the left loves to act like Trump ushered in the era of the lying, corrupt politician. It’s crap man. I’m just pointing out that all politicians lie on a consistent basis. They make bogus promises, flip flip on issues (I’ll end fracking, I won’t end fracking, hell yes I’ll end fracking!!) and make decisions based on what’s best for them and their back account. It’s not a Trump thing. Washington is rife with that crap.
How so?
Here’s how I honestly look at this. Information is selectively distributed via MSM, Twitter, Facebook and Google. Unless someone actively seeks out alternative media, then they aren’t getting all sides. Trump tweeting gets all the stuff that isn’t reported out there, at least giving people the opportunity to say “hey I haven’t heard about that, maybe I should check it out”. Regardless of how obnoxious you think he is, I think he’s trying to inform Americanson how corrupt the government actually is. I don’t believe the average “moderate Democrat” has any idea Biden/Harris want to pack the supreme court. Or that Joe Biden ALLEGEDLY had these shady dealings with Ukraine and China. Maybe It’s all BS, but we don’t know yet. What if it’s true? It’s been covered up extensively by the MSM and social media. Don’t voters have a right to know that before casting their vote? Joe doesn’t think so.
Can you give me examples? I mean that honestly, I got interested in politics in the wake of Trump like a lot of people.
Did Republicans concoct a phony scandal like the Russia investigation? Did they try to impeach Obama over nothing? Remember, the democrats were talking about impeaching Trump before he was ever even sworn in.
All I can say here is there are numerous people who have a pretty glowing opinion of Trump on a personal level, including Pierce Morgan, who is definitely not on the right. It’s interesting how many celebrities and politicians loved Trump until he became president. Would the last three years habe looked the same had he run as a Democrat?
That’s been debunked by numerous people including John Bolton. There is video of Joe Biden calling troops stupid bastards though.
Honestly, you might be right here. But it’s a different time. I won’t defend the spending excess as a conservative, but both sides leak money like a sieve (I know, I’m doing that thing again. But it’s true)
This is just coming in. He’s always been all over the map. The only consistent is narcissism and lies. Everything else is whatever works at the time in his opinion.
Since he’s been in he’s not any more consistent.
I don’t disagree. But again frequency matters. It’s beyond dismissive to say well Trump lies like other politicians when Trump is lying so much more than everyone else. He isn’t lying like other politicians simply because other politicians lie. He’s lied (and continues) at a rate that’s unparalleled.
Do the average Republicans know the history of what they have done in this area? They had already flirted with plans to keep the court at 8 even as they refused to do anything with Obama despite him having significantly longer left in office than Trump. But that’s not really being talked about much.
Your questions are all opinions. You feel these things but that doesn’t make them true. Obama faced an onslaught of things from the right and the current President was the big one offering (with zero evidence of course) that Obama wasn’t born in the country. Russia and impeachment have a lot more “there” than that did. But when you have a senate majority and people ignoring subpoenas it’s easy to say it’s all over nothing. Do you think the GOP was determined to find the truth? Come on. Republicans wanted to impeach Obama for 8 years you can look up their efforts. They didn’t even remotely care about what Trump did.
Maybe you don’t know this background stuff if you just came into politics. Republicans said making Obama a one term President was their top priority as he started. Trump hasn’t faced anything Obama didn’t face. Trump just had more dirt than Obama because he’s dirtier. Just look at his history. Even if we ignore the two you stated he’s been involved in far more lawsuits and corrupt issues than Obama was going in. Don’t give Trump credit for facing a messy opposition when he deserved one. Is it unfair that he got slammed over tax returns when he didn’t release them breaking precedent and of course lying saying he would?
You can’t really shit on tons of the world and then say look how unfair everyone is treating me.
No it hasn’t. Trumps on record as shitting on gold star families, generals, and POW’s. You’re talking about one instance that you think is untrue. Perhaps if is perhaps it isn’t. But the quotes from the stuff I’m talking about are recorded.
He knows!
You’re supposed to fall on your sword and give the Left everything it wants.
Yes because it was all over the msm in 2016. That’s my point, if it helps them it’s reported on. If it doesn’t, it isn’t. Trump is getting the information out there.
And I’m not defending Republicans on this, I’m saying people have a right to know when this type of thing is happening so they can make informed decisions. The democrats, msm and social media keep information from the people.
Obama didn’t have the entire media working hand in hand with the Republicans to smear him, point out every flaw and inconsistency, etc. Of course the Republicans were against him, that’s party politics, but to say Obama faced the same pushback as Trump has is ridiculous.
No, they’re not.
And the entire government and media apparatus piled on and ran with this narrative for three years.
And we won’t re-litigate the impeachment, but come on man, it was a Schiff sham from the start. If you want to say that’s just my opinion that’s fine. We’ll agree to disagree.
Yes that’s what the right has been saying for years. Yet somehow court packing has been talked about often not just in right wing echo chambers. Do you not find links to the topic when you search? Because I do. If it’s being hidden they are doing a shitty job.
Yes. He’s getting the information that Obama and Biden murdered seal team 6 or something. But wait the MSM dismissed that. They are all in on Biden. Why aren’t they looking into this?!
What are you talking about? Republicans haven’t been working to smear Trump at all. They made their platform whatever he wants. Only now with the possibility of a Trump defeat are some Republicans saying they oppose some of what he’s done. Trump has spit in the face for years of what Republicans said they were for and their response has been silence.
The MSM stuff is overplayed. Republicans have no problem getting their messages out there. Fox News is by far the biggest channel and has been forever. Republicans enjoy a monopoly on the radio and have for years.
So you tell me. Wonder why subpoenas got ignored and Republicans didn’t even bother investigating. Seems like if it was a sham they would have wanted to prove it. Instead party line vote was guaranteed from the get go. Republicans weren’t going to dig into this at all. But I agree that doing this again is largely fruitless. But it’s not like this wasn’t attempted by the right for 8 years against Obama.
Folks, folks, folks. Getting upset at lying politicians and trying to figure out the biggest liar is like being upset your nuts are below your dick and trying to workout whose ass is furthest away from their bellybutton in the dark.
Trump got in because of the shenanigans that was happening in the white house and Congress. Trump and people like Trump will continue to get in while it continues. Maybe not all the time but don’t expect it to go away.
The only question is whether voters were firing a warning shot or will deliver another slap. The fact that nobody has any real idea besides that we all know the 10+ polling margin are bullshit should tell you all you need to know
Trump got in because Republicans caved on their supposed principles and didn’t bother. They didn’t bother correcting someone who said things like I’ll cover everyone’s health care for cheaper, doesn’t matter if we default on the debt, Mexico will pay for the wall, etc. They had better candidates but rode a wave that sounded too good to be true because it was.
I don’t disagree. If people can be that grifted once they can be again. We got millions of people believeing
I still think a lot of this has to do with Covid. Predicting turnout during a pandemic is impossible. Sure we’re going to break early voting records but that doesn’t necessarily mean a bunch. Some people who plan to vote in person aren’t going to do it when they see long lines or whatever.
Turnout is always hard to predict but Covid adds a million variables in. I love this time of the year on T nation and looking at polling, battleground signs, etc. Some great discussions in the past. But really hard to do right now.
Shit what does Election Day look like with our rising numbers? If we’re hitting near 75K cases again two weeks before the election how many people planning on voting in person aren’t going to be able to do?
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Do you believe Biden is double digits in the lead?
If so, where do you think the lead has come from - new voters, 2016 Trumpers bailing on him, etc?
It’s like Trump is/was a salesman or something.
Imagine what the public thought about the political system if they put someone in who merely listened to what they were saying, regardless of how outlandish his response was.
Trump is the president we deserve. Accept that and maybe you’ll get a good candidate
Will add Democrats and Republicans deserve to be belted over the head for doubling down on their bullshit instead of taking a lesson from this all.
EDIT: I deserve a hit over the head for thinking they might not double down haha