i dont know much about boxing, but i put an eye on abraham. He really seems to be a decent fighter. His knock out was pretty cool…
How are his chances to win that hole thing ?
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
coming forward can’t win a fight either, which is really all Froch did… when he wasn’t hitting after the bell and hitting behind the head. he would come forward and dirrel would beat him to the punch and slip punches. i see a lot of people saying “dirrel didn’t do enough to take the title”, but what did froch do to retain it?[/quote]
See, I know opinions vary on this, but I am not one of those people that think a challenger must do MORE than a champ in order to take a title.
I don’t judge a fight based on your last one- I go round by round, right here, right now. I don’t give a flying fuck if you’re the champ or you’re a bum- you gotta win more rounds or KO the bastard to win the fight.
Again, I didn’t see the Dirrell fight so I don’t know, but from reading this I can get a feeling about how the limeys scored and how f’d this fight was. I’ll have to go back and watch it tomorrow when I have time.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
goldengloves wrote:
coming forward can’t win a fight either, which is really all Froch did… when he wasn’t hitting after the bell and hitting behind the head. he would come forward and dirrel would beat him to the punch and slip punches. i see a lot of people saying “dirrel didn’t do enough to take the title”, but what did froch do to retain it?
See, I know opinions vary on this, but I am not one of those people that think a challenger must do MORE than a champ in order to take a title.
I don’t judge a fight based on your last one- I go round by round, right here, right now. I don’t give a flying fuck if you’re the champ or you’re a bum- you gotta win more rounds or KO the bastard to win the fight.
Again, I didn’t see the Dirrell fight so I don’t know, but from reading this I can get a feeling about how the limeys scored and how f’d this fight was. I’ll have to go back and watch it tomorrow when I have time. [/quote]
moving forward doesn’t mean much, especially when you’re getting countered. now i’m not going to say it was a blow out or anything, it was a good fight. but to think froch won because he was more “aggressive” is bullshit, there’s no way froch won.
I’m a serial lurker on this site but this thread compelled me to reply.
I’m English and I had Dirrell winning the fight but by no more than a couple of rounds. Froch definitely appeared to be the more aggressive fighter but he was getting caught a lot on the way in. Dirrell was literally running away frequently though and I can see how that would count against him. I agree that Froch should have had a point deduction for holding/rabbit punching but that’s down to the ref - anyone know where he was from?
All that said, I can’t believe that certain people are saying this is a particularly British problem. Has everyone forgotten the Malignaggi fight already?!
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
moving forward doesn’t mean much, especially when you’re getting countered. now i’m not going to say it was a blow out or anything, it was a good fight. but to think froch won because he was more “aggressive” is bullshit, there’s no way froch won. [/quote]
Exactly. By that logic, JMM beat Floyd Mayweather. After all, Marquez was moving forward.
[quote]DannyVandal wrote:
I’m a serial lurker on this site but this thread compelled me to reply.
I’m English and I had Dirrell winning the fight but by no more than a couple of rounds. Froch definitely appeared to be the more aggressive fighter but he was getting caught a lot on the way in. Dirrell was literally running away frequently though and I can see how that would count against him. I agree that Froch should have had a point deduction for holding/rabbit punching but that’s down to the ref - anyone know where he was from?
All that said, I can’t believe that certain people are saying this is a particularly British problem. Has everyone forgotten the Malignaggi fight already?! [/quote]
Saying that the British have a problem with it doesn’t mean other places don’t too- but in America, it’s not countrywide.
If you fight a British fighter on British soil, the only way you’re going to win is if you put the guy in a coma. Otherwise they’ll find a way to give it away.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Saying that the British have a problem with it doesn’t mean other places don’t too- but in America, it’s not countrywide.
If you fight a British fighter on British soil, the only way you’re going to win is if you put the guy in a coma. Otherwise they’ll find a way to give it away. [/quote]
I can’t really argue with you on that score but most of the high profile bouts I’ve seen involving British fighters in recent years have been in the States anyway. Of those that haven’t, they’ve been so one-sided (eg Calzaghe - Lacy) that the quality of the judging wasn’t really in doubt. Historically there have been some bad ones though (a couple of Chris Eubank’s fights come to mind) so like I say, I can’t really argue.
That actually reminds me of another point I wanted to make to the person who said Kessler hadn’t fought anyone of note - he came much closer to beating Calzaghe than I remember anybody else doing…
(edit: just spotted that was you too Irish :))
[quote]DannyVandal wrote:
I’m a serial lurker on this site but this thread compelled me to reply.
I’m English and I had Dirrell winning the fight but by no more than a couple of rounds. Froch definitely appeared to be the more aggressive fighter but he was getting caught a lot on the way in. Dirrell was literally running away frequently though and I can see how that would count against him. I agree that Froch should have had a point deduction for holding/rabbit punching but that’s down to the ref - anyone know where he was from?
All that said, I can’t believe that certain people are saying this is a particularly British problem. Has everyone forgotten the Malignaggi fight already?! [/quote]
you guys are about as bad as Texans lol.
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
DannyVandal wrote:
I’m a serial lurker on this site but this thread compelled me to reply.
I’m English and I had Dirrell winning the fight but by no more than a couple of rounds. Froch definitely appeared to be the more aggressive fighter but he was getting caught a lot on the way in. Dirrell was literally running away frequently though and I can see how that would count against him. I agree that Froch should have had a point deduction for holding/rabbit punching but that’s down to the ref - anyone know where he was from?
All that said, I can’t believe that certain people are saying this is a particularly British problem. Has everyone forgotten the Malignaggi fight already?!
you guys are about as bad as Texans lol.
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Oh yeah?
[quote]DannyVandal wrote:
That actually reminds me of another point I wanted to make to the person who said Kessler hadn’t fought anyone of note - he came much closer to beating Calzaghe than I remember anybody else doing…
(edit: just spotted that was you too Irish :))
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hahhahah oh yea. Dont even get me started on Calslappy, the guy who thinks he’s one of the GOAT because he’s undefeated, but he fought NO ONE besides Hopkins.
I’d expect Kessler to put up a better fight than the bartenders and candlestick makers that Calslappy’s fought.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
goldengloves wrote:
DannyVandal wrote:
I’m a serial lurker on this site but this thread compelled me to reply.
I’m English and I had Dirrell winning the fight but by no more than a couple of rounds. Froch definitely appeared to be the more aggressive fighter but he was getting caught a lot on the way in. Dirrell was literally running away frequently though and I can see how that would count against him. I agree that Froch should have had a point deduction for holding/rabbit punching but that’s down to the ref - anyone know where he was from?
All that said, I can’t believe that certain people are saying this is a particularly British problem. Has everyone forgotten the Malignaggi fight already?!
you guys are about as bad as Texans lol.
Oh yeah?[/quote]
Gale Van Hoye: #1 reason to never take a fight in Texas against a Texan. lol
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
DannyVandal wrote:
That actually reminds me of another point I wanted to make to the person who said Kessler hadn’t fought anyone of note - he came much closer to beating Calzaghe than I remember anybody else doing…
(edit: just spotted that was you too Irish :))
hahhahah oh yea. Dont even get me started on Calslappy, the guy who thinks he’s one of the GOAT because he’s undefeated, but he fought NO ONE besides Hopkins.
I’d expect Kessler to put up a better fight than the bartenders and candlestick makers that Calslappy’s fought.[/quote]
Funny i was about to write that anybody can o sixty fights undefeated when there fighting nobodies. how many guys can you name that he’s fought that were worth a shit. Not counting old washed up fighters.
[quote]blackngrey609 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
DannyVandal wrote:
That actually reminds me of another point I wanted to make to the person who said Kessler hadn’t fought anyone of note - he came much closer to beating Calzaghe than I remember anybody else doing…
(edit: just spotted that was you too Irish :))
hahhahah oh yea. Dont even get me started on Calslappy, the guy who thinks he’s one of the GOAT because he’s undefeated, but he fought NO ONE besides Hopkins.
I’d expect Kessler to put up a better fight than the bartenders and candlestick makers that Calslappy’s fought.
Funny i was about to write that anybody can o sixty fights undefeated when there fighting nobodies. how many guys can you name that he’s fought that were worth a shit. Not counting old washed up fighters.
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I’d give your left nut to see Calslappy fight RJJ in his prime. Christ, what a beating cal would take.
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
goldengloves wrote:
DannyVandal wrote:
I’m a serial lurker on this site but this thread compelled me to reply.
I’m English and I had Dirrell winning the fight but by no more than a couple of rounds. Froch definitely appeared to be the more aggressive fighter but he was getting caught a lot on the way in. Dirrell was literally running away frequently though and I can see how that would count against him. I agree that Froch should have had a point deduction for holding/rabbit punching but that’s down to the ref - anyone know where he was from?
All that said, I can’t believe that certain people are saying this is a particularly British problem. Has everyone forgotten the Malignaggi fight already?!
you guys are about as bad as Texans lol.
Oh yeah?
Gale Van Hoye: #1 reason to never take a fight in Texas against a Texan. lol[/quote]
Oh…I gotcha now.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
blackngrey609 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
DannyVandal wrote:
That actually reminds me of another point I wanted to make to the person who said Kessler hadn’t fought anyone of note - he came much closer to beating Calzaghe than I remember anybody else doing…
(edit: just spotted that was you too Irish :))
hahhahah oh yea. Dont even get me started on Calslappy, the guy who thinks he’s one of the GOAT because he’s undefeated, but he fought NO ONE besides Hopkins.
I’d expect Kessler to put up a better fight than the bartenders and candlestick makers that Calslappy’s fought.
Funny i was about to write that anybody can o sixty fights undefeated when there fighting nobodies. how many guys can you name that he’s fought that were worth a shit. Not counting old washed up fighters.
I’d give your left nut to see Calslappy fight RJJ in his prime. Christ, what a beating cal would take. [/quote]
definitly brother. they may have both had hand speed but Roy had power to boot. That wuss calzaghe threw cherries at best man!
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Aussie Davo wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Nikiforos wrote:
British judging is an absolute joke. Every single boxing decision I’ve seen in England in the past few months has reeked of shit.
British judging and refereeing are both garbage. As a Ricky Hatton fan who’s watched all his fights both here and there, I can honestly say that the limeys let their own get away with more shit than anyone I’ve ever seen.
That’s probably why their fighters come over and get whipped.
Like Roy did to Calzaghe eh? 
Roy Jones had come out of retirement to fight Joe Calzaghe the minute he was seventy six years old. Roy Jones is always lying about his age. He lie about his age all the time. One time Frank Sinatra came in here and sat in this chair. I said Frank ‘you hang out with Roy Jones, just between me and you, how old is Roy Jones.’ You know what Frank told me, he said “Hey, Roy Jones is 137 years old.” A hundred and thirty-seven years old!
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Fucking LOL. That’s fuckin hilarious. Thanks for that, haha.
[quote]blackngrey609 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
DannyVandal wrote:
That actually reminds me of another point I wanted to make to the person who said Kessler hadn’t fought anyone of note - he came much closer to beating Calzaghe than I remember anybody else doing…
(edit: just spotted that was you too Irish :))
hahhahah oh yea. Dont even get me started on Calslappy, the guy who thinks he’s one of the GOAT because he’s undefeated, but he fought NO ONE besides Hopkins.
I’d expect Kessler to put up a better fight than the bartenders and candlestick makers that Calslappy’s fought.
Funny i was about to write that anybody can o sixty fights undefeated when there fighting nobodies. how many guys can you name that he’s fought that were worth a shit. Not counting old washed up fighters.
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Chris Eubank (this guy was ‘worth a shit’…you may not like him but he was class)
Jeff Lacey (allegedly the next ‘Tyson’ before being dismantled)
Sakio Bika
Kessler
BHop (although he’s old I’m still counting him)
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
MightyCivil wrote:
I was at the Froch fight in Nottingham. You American boys don’t know you’re born sometimes - we had to be in the arena before 11pm and had to hang around until 02.30 for the fight to start to accomodate the American TV audience (a necessary pain in the arse for the big broadcast dollars) - there was jack shit to watch as the undercard sucked the sweat of a dead man’s balls… so all people could do was hang around the concourse getting shitfaced (and start inevitable drunken brawls - especially as there were so many pikey football fans in the mixer).
I don’t agree that Dirrell was robbed (I had Froch ahead by 3 rounds) although I appreciate you get a totally different take on a fight seeing it on TV versus watching it live from the cheapseats. Apparantly the judges only scored 4 rounds the same…bottom line is that Dirrell didn’t do enough to take the title away.
Sad to hear about JT. I’m pretty sure Kessler is going to walk through everyone at this tournie, although I think Dirrell may cause an upset or two now the pressures off after a loss.
looks like all brits are full of shit.
no way did froch win that fight. no way. and didn’t do enough? how about making froch look foolish and getting him with some good shots. the fact you have froch ahead by 3 proves how full of shit you’re. the point deduction was bullshit too, if anyone should have had a point deducted it should have been froch.
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Calm yourself tough guy. Like I said, I was judging the fight from the cheapseats of the arena, not sat in front of the tv watching slow-mo replays. This isn’t some sort of stick-up-for-british-fighters BS, just giving you my two cents worth. For the record (not that it’s necessary to try to justify this) but I was at the Calzaghe/BHop fight in Vegas, another very close decision, and I had BHop 2 rounds up at the final bell so you can park your accusations of bias.
[quote]MightyCivil wrote:
Chris Eubank (this guy was ‘worth a shit’…you may not like him but he was class)
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He was a decent fighter.
Lacy is horrificly bad, he was just talked up. Calzaghe won, but the guy is a nobody.
Who? Please. My balls must be showing.
Who’s fought nobody except Calzaghe.
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BHop (although he’s old I’m still counting him)[/quote]
And alot of people thought he lost that one. He’s lucky that BHop came back strong against Pavlik or else Cal would get NO credit for that fight.
Simply put, he stayed in Europe and fought bums. Calzaghe was a good fighter who never tested himself, and will be lucky to get onto anybody’s top 100 fighters list. When Bhop and Roy were in their primes, Cal stayed in the UK and hid.
Kessler is the same way, although I admire him for getting in this tournament. It shows balls that Calzaghe would never have had.
And I’m not pickin on English fighters, per se. As I said, Ricky Hatton is my favorite fighter out there. But as a whole, they’re not very good, and the refs and judges protect them way too much.