Subsidizing People for Being Fat?

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[quote]polo77j wrote:
challer1 wrote:
beachguy498 wrote:
I saw an article in the NY Times a while ago regarding the burden that obesity puts on the health care system.

Since it is linked to diseases like diabetes, the hospitals are overwhelmed with people that are unable to pay, but can’t be turned away for treatment. Medicare picks up some of it, but not enough to make a difference.

I’m fairly fat tolerant and cut people some slack if they’re contributors to society. The reality is, how many 350 and 400 lb people do you see that make it to 70 or 80 years old?

Basically, fat people don’t cost that much because they die young, before they can get old enough to develop cancer, Alzheimer’s, etc. Most 80 yr old people don’t contribute to society, but cost the medical system tons of money w/ nursing homes, expensive cancer treatments, hip replacements, take tons of prescription medicine.

A quadruple bypass surgery might run 40000$, but that’s cheaper than putting someone up in a nursing home and paying for a bunch of prescription medicine for a few years. Not exactly the most ethical standpoint, but interesting nonetheless.

The problem is most 80 year old people contributed vast amounts more than the younger fat people who are milking the system. The 80 year olds have earned the right to be useless from the years of work and sacrifice they’ve put in.

Interesting none-the-less

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The only ones who deserve the right to be useless are the ones who created vast amounts of wealth. They worked hard to get there in most cases, despite all the losers in the news lately.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Yo Momma wrote:
In the late 1700’s England instituted the Workhouse or Poorhouse system to house and employ people in poverty. If you were poor, you had no choice but to go there.

We should replace this system with mandatory Fat Farms. The obese are sentenced to a routine of boot camp and instructed on proper, healthy eating, while being constantly humiliated for being a drain on healthcare, unemployment and welfare. They will not be released into society until there is proof of remorse and rehabilitation.

This would be cheaper and more efficient than welfare, and save the US trillions in healthcare dollars and unemployment, while eliminating the obesity problem from society.

If your kids are obese you should be considered a child abuser!!!

I sit on my ass 12 hours a day as a network administrator in Afghanistan as a Contractor and make damn good money.

Obese kids should be considered child abuse.

Yo Momma I like how you think.

The thing is if they made it a Reality TV show they would be lining up to get their camera time.

It could be a poor man’s Biggest Loser. Then again, I bet some of them would pay, so long as they get to be on camera.

everyone wants to be famous even if it’s for being fat. What else explains those horrific shows of that obesity treatment center and fat man in a bed shows?

The only problem is that my BMI is almost 32. No doubt they would use some asinine system to determine obesity.

The better solution is to allow them to be denied health care (for the adults). And consider a parent allowing a child to become obese a form of gross negligence.

No no nooooooooooo
I think we could pick out a few thousand with visual tools alone that would qualify.

I do like your idea of saving some kids first though.

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[quote]Free2Be wrote:
polo77j wrote:
challer1 wrote:
beachguy498 wrote:
I saw an article in the NY Times a while ago regarding the burden that obesity puts on the health care system.

Since it is linked to diseases like diabetes, the hospitals are overwhelmed with people that are unable to pay, but can’t be turned away for treatment. Medicare picks up some of it, but not enough to make a difference.

I’m fairly fat tolerant and cut people some slack if they’re contributors to society. The reality is, how many 350 and 400 lb people do you see that make it to 70 or 80 years old?

Basically, fat people don’t cost that much because they die young, before they can get old enough to develop cancer, Alzheimer’s, etc. Most 80 yr old people don’t contribute to society, but cost the medical system tons of money w/ nursing homes, expensive cancer treatments, hip replacements, take tons of prescription medicine.

A quadruple bypass surgery might run 40000$, but that’s cheaper than putting someone up in a nursing home and paying for a bunch of prescription medicine for a few years. Not exactly the most ethical standpoint, but interesting nonetheless.

The problem is most 80 year old people contributed vast amounts more than the younger fat people who are milking the system. The 80 year olds have earned the right to be useless from the years of work and sacrifice they’ve put in.

Interesting none-the-less

The only ones who deserve the right to be useless are the ones who created vast amounts of wealth. They worked hard to get there in most cases, despite all the losers in the news lately.[/quote]
You really have your head up your own arse don’t you?

So the father of 2 working 50 plus hours a week as a brick layers helper or a fork lift driver dosnt work hard?

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[quote]jzzz wrote:
Free2Be wrote:
polo77j wrote:
challer1 wrote:
beachguy498 wrote:
I saw an article in the NY Times a while ago regarding the burden that obesity puts on the health care system.

Since it is linked to diseases like diabetes, the hospitals are overwhelmed with people that are unable to pay, but can’t be turned away for treatment. Medicare picks up some of it, but not enough to make a difference.

I’m fairly fat tolerant and cut people some slack if they’re contributors to society. The reality is, how many 350 and 400 lb people do you see that make it to 70 or 80 years old?

Basically, fat people don’t cost that much because they die young, before they can get old enough to develop cancer, Alzheimer’s, etc. Most 80 yr old people don’t contribute to society, but cost the medical system tons of money w/ nursing homes, expensive cancer treatments, hip replacements, take tons of prescription medicine.

A quadruple bypass surgery might run 40000$, but that’s cheaper than putting someone up in a nursing home and paying for a bunch of prescription medicine for a few years. Not exactly the most ethical standpoint, but interesting nonetheless.

The problem is most 80 year old people contributed vast amounts more than the younger fat people who are milking the system. The 80 year olds have earned the right to be useless from the years of work and sacrifice they’ve put in.

Interesting none-the-less

The only ones who deserve the right to be useless are the ones who created vast amounts of wealth. They worked hard to get there in most cases, despite all the losers in the news lately.
You really have your head up your own arse don’t you?

So the father of 2 working 50 plus hours a week as a brick layers helper or a fork lift driver dosnt work hard?

I think you need a reality check or a smack in the head maybe both.

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I didn’t say that, but he does not deserve to be a free loader when older. I don’t believe in social (socialist programs) such as Social Security. No my head is not up my ass, I believe in investing in my future and if you learn to do it you can make money in any market.

Just like finding good training advice can be difficult if you listen to the main stream, finding financial advice can be too. You found this site, you can find a site that gives sound financial advice.

I have come from very meager means. If I can do it anyone can. No excuses champ.

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I disagree your head is up your arse if the government can look after dead beats in jail or spend billions on defence it can provide social security for those that can’t work or those that are too old to work.

I don’t think overweight people should get a free hand out maybe free health education and a diet plan hell maybe a free gym membership but not money.

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I have never met a fat person who eats more than 2,000 calories per day. Or so they say. I’ve never met one who had the time to exercise because of their busy life. I’ve never met one who didn’t have a genetic condition making them fat.

[quote]The Chawners, haven’t worked in 11 years, claim their weight is a hereditary condition and the money they receive is insufficient to live on.

Mr Chawner said: “What we get barely covers the bills and puts food on the table. It’s not our fault we can’t work. We deserve more.”[/quote]

WTF? It is not hereditary, it is them being lazy gluttons

That last bit is sad, and possibly true with all the bullshit diets and exercise advice out there.

It is everyone’s duty to tease these people in the street to help motivate them to change.

Giving them money is like giving alcohol to a drunk.

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[quote]Magarhe wrote:

WTF? It is not hereditary, it is them being lazy gluttons
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I’m not defending these people in any way, or even saying that anyone is fat because of their genes but there is a hereditary component to obesity.

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You don’t see shit like this over here.

How interesting.

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This is why “free” health insurance won’t work. No accountability - people can clog up the medical system even more from being fat, lazy pricks. Taxes will go up, service will go down, and procedures will be rationed.

Health insurance should be like car insurance. Engage in risky behavior (base jumping, cocaine, eating fast food) and you pay through the nose.

The only reason companies provide it here in the US is because of wage freezing that went into effect after WW2. The only way companies could attract talent was to offer big health insurance packages. It is outdated.

We have fat people because of processed carbs, technological advances, and morons that want the government to be their daddy and vote thus.

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[quote]Unaware wrote:
Magarhe wrote:

WTF? It is not hereditary, it is them being lazy gluttons

I’m not defending these people in any way, or even saying that anyone is fat because of their genes but there is a hereditary component to obesity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTO_gene[/quote]

Irrelevant - there is not a person alive who is fat who cannot lose that fat through diet and exercise. There is not a person who does not have access to that information. The thing lacking is willpower - now that is no small thing, and it comes down to psychological problems / personality / whatever you want to call it - but the behaviour should not be encouraged or rewarded or accepted as OK because it is not.

You don’t take someone who is an alcoholic, who has turned their life into a mess, and give them money and free booze and say “there there it is OK to be an alcoholic”. You try and help them. There is a genetic component to being addicted here, as well. (That doesn’t mean you need that genetic component to be addicted to alcohol, nor does it mean that if you have it, you can’t beat it).

It is not OK to be fat and unhealthy and it shouldn’t be rewarded or paid for by others. I don’t think it warrants killing fat people but it certainly doesn’t warrant paying them lots of money for it.

And there is a dangerous trend towards accepting fat people and being fat, these days, which has got to go.

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[quote]jzzz wrote:
Free2Be wrote:
polo77j wrote:
challer1 wrote:
beachguy498 wrote:
I saw an article in the NY Times a while ago regarding the burden that obesity puts on the health care system.

Since it is linked to diseases like diabetes, the hospitals are overwhelmed with people that are unable to pay, but can’t be turned away for treatment. Medicare picks up some of it, but not enough to make a difference.

I’m fairly fat tolerant and cut people some slack if they’re contributors to society. The reality is, how many 350 and 400 lb people do you see that make it to 70 or 80 years old?

Basically, fat people don’t cost that much because they die young, before they can get old enough to develop cancer, Alzheimer’s, etc. Most 80 yr old people don’t contribute to society, but cost the medical system tons of money w/ nursing homes, expensive cancer treatments, hip replacements, take tons of prescription medicine.

A quadruple bypass surgery might run 40000$, but that’s cheaper than putting someone up in a nursing home and paying for a bunch of prescription medicine for a few years. Not exactly the most ethical standpoint, but interesting nonetheless.

The problem is most 80 year old people contributed vast amounts more than the younger fat people who are milking the system. The 80 year olds have earned the right to be useless from the years of work and sacrifice they’ve put in.

Interesting none-the-less

The only ones who deserve the right to be useless are the ones who created vast amounts of wealth. They worked hard to get there in most cases, despite all the losers in the news lately.
You really have your head up your own arse don’t you?

So the father of 2 working 50 plus hours a week as a brick layers helper or a fork lift driver dosnt work hard?

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maybe he does but that only shows that working hard only gets you so far.

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I was thinking, these girls obviously don’t get laid too often. Sex burns 200 calories, or even more. So at 2 x a day for 7 days a week it adds up to 2800 calories or .8 lbs a week, providing they keep the food intake the same.

.8 x 52 weeks = 41.6 pounds per year, in 2 years time, they’ll be pretty svelte. But the problem is keeping your eye on the prize all along. A tough goal, but attainable.

BG

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[quote]beachguy498 wrote:
I was thinking, these girls obviously don’t get laid too often. Sex burns 200 calories, or even more. So at 2 x a day for 7 days a week it adds up to 2800 calories or .8 lbs a week, providing they keep the food intake the same.

.8 x 52 weeks = 41.6 pounds per year, in 2 years time, they’ll be pretty svelte. But the problem is keeping your eye on the prize all along. A tough goal, but attainable.

BG

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Way to take the long view.

However, maybe they get laid pretty regularly. People keep trotting out some research that fat girls get more sex.

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[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
beachguy498 wrote:
I was thinking, these girls obviously don’t get laid too often. Sex burns 200 calories, or even more. So at 2 x a day for 7 days a week it adds up to 2800 calories or .8 lbs a week, providing they keep the food intake the same.

.8 x 52 weeks = 41.6 pounds per year, in 2 years time, they’ll be pretty svelte. But the problem is keeping your eye on the prize all along. A tough goal, but attainable.

BG

Way to take the long view.

However, maybe they get laid pretty regularly. People keep trotting out some research that fat girls get more sex.[/quote]

Yeah, I’ve read that too.

The world is filled with men that like to fuck fatties.

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Fuck giving them money. If their gov’t is willing to give them money, why not just give them the same amount’s worth of HEALTHY food so they don’t go out buying bacon butties and cereal.

Fucking force them to lose weight.

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[quote]jchenky wrote:

We make it too easy for people who have no pride in themselves and are too lazy or afraid of failure to get off their fat lazy asses and make this world better for themselves and, subsequently, the majority of people around them.

Yes, we do make it too easy. Can you imagine the controversy if something was put into place to stop obesity and laziness etc?

These people make up any excuse in the world.
I work with a woman who is extremely obese and she complains that she has to walk up a set of stairs to go to the washroom. Next thing we know it will be “normal” for these fat asses to be shitting at their desks or at home while watching a movie because manufacturers will be making daipers big enough to “make their lives easier”.

I’m appalled and disgusted.

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I’ve GOT IT! We should go ahead and sell health credits for these people – like carbon credits. We keep the average cost of health care down by offsetting their huge buttprints.

Failing that, maybe we could finally just make peace with the PETA folks and start turning them into soylent green?

Course, I’m sure they’d be appalled at our having this thread since it’s not there fault. After all, if they could apply themselves in the first place, we wouldn’t be having this discussion, would we?

– jj

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
is that serious??? A french fry sandwich?

oh man, now someone over here is going to hear about that and batter it and deep fry it
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I had some (very portly) friends who swore the best food in the world was to buy McDonald’s sundaes and eat them with a big bag of fries. My arteries harden just thinking about it.

Best was an article I read about deep fried pork fat. Seems it is something of a favorite in the Ukraine and – you guessed it – someone started dipping them in chocolate. One BBC reporter decided to do and expose* on it and much to his own horror decided it was the tastiest thing he ever ate. He finally had to flee the country under cover of night to get away. Ok, maybe I exaggerated that last part.

Let’s be careful. Remember people, it’s a jungle out there…

– jj

  • No $%$@@ accents! Sorry.
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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
is that serious??? A french fry sandwich?
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In all fairness, I’ve had one… And I’ve had many more.

They’re even better with a chicken breast and gravy.

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[quote]ahzaz wrote:
WDF
no way theyre eating 3000cals.
I eat around 3000 cals and even when I DONT workout i still dont gain weight. Theyre obviously eating a good 5000cals.[/quote]

At a guess I would say they’re doing what most fat people do. Counting only their “meals” and not the several bags of chrisps and 12 litres of soft drink they devour in between these gorgefests of bacon sandwiches. I doubt they’ve included their desserts eithers (One thing that should be remembered about fat people and british people in general is they love dessert).

Kinda like how girls only include boyfriends when you ask them how many guys they’ve sleeped with and not the drunken one night stands etc, or how guys when asked the same question include any girls they’ve kissed or made out with, or even been breathed on by.