[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Maybe it’s just my mentality, but when I’m about to pull I don’t think “this is a deadlift,” I think “Kevin, you better f-cking get this lift, or you are a f-cking pussy.” But maybe I’m wrong.[/quote]
Nope, you’re a pussy.
[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
The muscle groups definitely overlap, but that’s where the similarity ends – the techinique is totally different. In the squat, you lead with your upper body; DL, you push the ground with your legs.[/quote]
Shit, I must’ve been doing something wrong all this time; I’ve been pushing the ground with my legs in squats! :-o
If someone ever tells me squats and deadlifts are the same thing, I’ll ask them to explain to me why it is I can’t lift the same weight in both exercises, if that’s the case.
If they reply “it’s because in the deadlift you have to hold the bar with your hands, so you’ll lift less weight than with a squat,” I’ll respond “but I can lift more in a DL than in a squat; how do you explain that, dumbass!?”
When I started lifting, I asked a couple of the personal trainers at my gym to review my training plan that I had put together after reading many articles from Berardi, and other sites, etc. After looking at it, they asked me if I was trying to “get big” because that’s what 5 x 6 squats and deadlifts were going to get me. My response to that was, “Isn’t it pretty much impossible for girls to get really big without steriods?” Their response to that was to give me the “retard look” and tell me that I should concentrate on doing high reps to avoid getting “bulky.” One guy shared that he was doing sets of 20+ for his chest and arms and he always recommends less weight, more reps.
Now, I’ll be honest. I’d never done any real lifting in my life and I was a little concerned by what they’d said and how much it contradicted everything I’d read.
Luckily, I decided to go with advice from the guys that had letters like “PhD” and “MA” after their names. And hey, I’ve learned not to be freaked out by the guys that just stare at me while I squat in their “bicep curl cage.”
[quote]Miserere wrote:
I’ve just remembered one of my own. This happened at the first gym I ever went to, some 10 years ago. It was the local sports hall’s gym, and I had started going with some friends a couple days a week (hey, it was free). Needless to say none of us knew what we were doing. After using the pec-dec, I thought it would make sense to train whatever muscles were the antagonists to the pecs (was I smart or what?), so I went to ask the only guy that worked there:
ME: I’ve just been doing flyes on the machine and I was wondering what machine to use to do the opposite movement for the back.
HIM: There is no opposite movement.
ME: But there must be, how else can I move my arms back? [while I flapped my arms back and forth to show him what I meant]
HIM: Well, yes, there are some muscles in the back, but they’re very small.
ME: Oh, OK…
I didn’t last long there. It took me 2-3 years to get back into a gym again…and learn that back muscles are not really that small.[/quote]
lol, i work in a small cubicle in an office jammed with people and just had to let out a burst of laughter when reading this post. thanks for giving me the greatest laugh of the day!
[quote]the MaxX wrote:
IHateGymMorons wrote:
I also hate 99% of Physical Therapist. ESPECIALLY the ones who think they can train healthy people with internal rotations and balance balls.
Being a Physical Therapist (almost 1.5 more years out of 8 to go) I am very surprised by this statement. I have been a T-Nation reader since 2000 and have competed in powerlifting, mma, Judo, and about to be olympic lifting, so I can say I have the real world experience that so many of the people on this site really need, as well as the intense medical background necessary to “fix what ails 'ya” People who are doing what you said have no freaking clue of what actually goes on in the world of weightlifting.
Though it does remind me of a scary joke I once heard:
"What do you call a med. student who barely passes med.school and graduates last in his class?
- A Doctor"[/quote]
i didnt really have anything to say about what you wrote. i just think Sam Kieth fucking rocks!!
[quote]legend wrote:
it seems that 99% of gyms with shiny equipment and DVD racks, really have no interest in training you, all they really want is for you to pay a 1yr membership, and drop out in February.
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They even have a technical insider term for people that pay a full year and then don’t come back.
Profit.
[quote]Bastard Guy wrote:
interestingly, although not bulgarian, i can do their split squats. similarly, i’m not romanian but favor their RDLs.
Bastard[/quote]
You know what they say - travel broadens the mind. Try French presses and Cuban rotations.
[quote]stellar_horizon wrote:
lol, i work in a small cubicle in an office jammed with people and just had to let out a burst of laughter when reading this post. thanks for giving me the greatest laugh of the day![/quote]
You’re welcome! At least somebody benefited from my misery and that moron’s lack of anatomy knowledge…cos it certainly wasn’t me! 
“There are a lot of protein bars out on the market that are just cady bars. If a protein bar tastes nasty, then it’s good for you.”
Seriously, just heard this one last week. I almost dropped the bar laughing.
Background info: I’m just finished a decent farmer’s walk (where I leave the small room I start in and come back a little later - it’s important in understanding the trainers comment) and having decided I could go up in weight a little I am putting on some extra plates on the bars for my next walk…
Nearby Trainer: “Why didn’t you just check the weight first?.. would’ve saved yourself all that walking.”
…seriously, this actually happened
[quote]brider wrote:
“There are a lot of protein bars out on the market that are just cady bars. If a protein bar tastes nasty, then it’s good for you.”
Seriously, just heard this one last week. I almost dropped the bar laughing.[/quote]
That actually sounds like a good rule of thumb.
Grow! bars are delicious.
[quote]Dr. Ryan wrote:
Well, it wasn’t a personal trainer, but when I was in undergrad I worked part-time at a GNC and one new employee was trying to sell Weight-Gainer 1850 to a diabetic. So how do you like your sugar comas?
Ryan[/quote]
A GNC dork tried to sell my wife MAG-10.
I can’t believe all this. I haven’t gone to a gym since using the high school weightroom during football. How do these people become personal trainers? Is there a test you have to take? Or can anyone walk in and become one? It seems like they only use the mirror test nowadays…thats the one where they hold a mirror under your nose, and if it fogs up, you’re in.
[quote]Sxio wrote:
Personal Trainer: “Do you want a low carb bar?”
Me: “I just had a workout. I need some carbs”
PT: I would contend that!
Me: Then you’d be an idiot walking away[/quote]
Perhaps he was calling you fat.
this isn’t necessarily a stupid quote from a personal trainer, just a stupid incident with a stupid personal trainer at 24hr fatness.
i’m training a coworker of mine when the floor manager of the 24hr gym gustapo comes over and asks “Excuse me, are you a personal trainer?”
of course, i know 24hr doesn’t allow outside trainers, so i say, “ME?! No. I’m just showing my friend a few pointers.”
He then asks for my gym card and writes the name down and says, “this is your first warning. you can’t do personal training in here. otherwise i’ll revoke your membership.”
now my friend starts to protest, but i don’t want to make a big scene. so I tell the pudgy polo-shirt-wearing fascist, “i understand. You don’t want the liability.”
then the Nautilus Nazi says, “People are looking and thinking you’re a trainer and we can’t have that!”
i think to myself “yes, yes. we can’t have somebody else make your trainers look like total morons. they should do that all by themselves.”
but instead of saying that, I tell him, “I’m just trying to help my friend out and give him some pointers.”
So he says, “then you should work out with him and not make it so obvious” and walks away like a driveby debater.
but as he’s walking away, i tell him, “i’ll do a pushup. How’s that?”
Funny thing is, I don’t have a 24hr fitness gym membership. I was using a friend’s gym card at the time.
[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Rich wrote:
There is no inner chest.
That’s not what Milos says.
Milos also says:
Anyone who trains seriously should definitely set some specific goals. Then they should analyze the best ways to achieve these goals through training and nutrition. In my opinion, anyone can achieve reasonable goals within three years. When I say that, I mean regardless of your present condition. If you dedicate yourself for the next 36 months, you could be a competitive bodybuilder at the amateur level. Add a couple more years and you could even be a top Olympia competitor.
PUT THE MAGAZINE DOWN, and go look at an anatomy chart.[/quote]
I never said I agreed with Milos. I just thought I’d mention what his position on the matter is.
[quote]Finalyear wrote:
danmaftei wrote:
I had a guy tell me a deadlift was like a squat with the weight in front of you.
I had a guy on a different forum/website say that deadlifts and sqauts were quote
“Squats and deadlifts are essentially the same lift, except the bar is in your hands or on your back. Body positioning is relatively identical when done correctly. Focusing on one won’t detriment the other, because the same muscles are being recruited.”
He’s almost right but so so wrong.[/quote]
Ok, you brainiacs. Lemme quote from this here site: All Articles - T NATION
Dave Tate (you might have heared from him): The Westside method schedules one max effort day for the bench and one for the squat and deadlift as follows:
Monday: Max effort day for building the squat and deadlift (while this seems contradictory to the above statement ? doing only one exercise per workout ? it’s not, in that you’ll be doing one exercise to build both movements).
Wednesday: Max effort day for building the bench press.
Since many of the same muscles are used for the squat and deadlift, they’re trained on the same day. Actually, very little deadlifting is performed with this style of training because of these reasons.
The best max effort exercises for the squat and deadlift are good mornings, low box squats and deadlifts themselves.
Now suppose you’re a personal trainer and you want you newbie trainee to know this.
Can you imagine that you would tell him/her that perhaps a deadlift is like a squat, with the weight in front of you.
Now you woudln’t be perfectly right. But you certainly wouldn’t be wrong.
[quote]but as he’s walking away, i tell him, “i’ll do a pushup. How’s that?”
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You crack me up man.
I always thought a pushup is like a bicep or a tricep, in that it HAS to be plural? Thanks for straightening me out.
Recently saw a female trainer with a client stand on some kind of disc. So this guy is standing on it, balancing on it quite nicely. She then gives him a pair of DB’s and has him do hammer curls while telling the client, “this is an advanced movement.”
I later see her working out on her own after she’s done with her client. Squats? Deads? Overhead presses? Hip Sled? At least Assisted Machine Chins? Nope!! She’s standing on a upside down BOSU Ball while doing One Arm Cable Lateral Raises.
Saw another trainer at this gym having her client who was pushing at least 250lbs at a height of 5’8" or 5’9" doing One Arm DB Hammer Curls while standing on a Reebok Core Board.
Same gym, now I saw a male trainer with his client as they’re walking around the track, the trainer is having his client walk in circles as she’s walking forward.
Same trainer as above with different client who was HUGE. Good for this guy for getting into the gym at least. This trainer and he are walking around the track and the trainer is making this guy MARCH, arm’s swinging, legs kicking, looked the S.S. marching before Hitler. The guy couldn’t even lift his legs off the ground. I felt bad for him.