[quote]Sxio wrote:
Nominal. You’ll find that some clients, due to back or neck pain can’t do squats or deadlifts.
You may then find that there’s a use for the leg press after all!
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Agreed. I am amazed that anyone is claiming that leg presses are a negative and should be avoided in favor of squats in all cases.
i told this personal trainer about how one of the protein powders they just got tastes really good.
And i asked him if he had had any. He said that he had a blood test coming up and he didn’ t want any question marks raised, then i just walked away shaking my head
WTF
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sxio wrote:
Nominal. You’ll find that some clients, due to back or neck pain can’t do squats or deadlifts.
You may then find that there’s a use for the leg press after all!
Agreed. I am amazed that anyone is claiming that leg presses are a negative and should be avoided in favor of squats in all cases.
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I read on this very site that olympic speed skaters favor the leg press over squats.
I can’t say I’ve leg pressed in quite some time, but I think we all should realize that there comes a time for just about everything in your program. Deadlifts and squats might be the bulk of the program, but there’s also a time for leg press as well as a time for wobble-board balancing.
Only an idiot just flat out rejects something without considering valid uses for it.
That guy is a pervert. And the man.
[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
I think I got a few good ones.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Another point is that I think it has become way to easy to get certified. To me, a ceritifcation doesnt mean shit if you cant apply what you know to your clients and get results. But give a certification to one of these young know-it-alls and there is no point discussing anything.
It isn’t easy at all. I just did it 2 weeks ago for ACSM. The reason I did it was because I recieved an opportunity to be hired at the gym where I now train.
I had been studying exercise physiology, nutrition, and related aspects of fitness for over a year. I considered myself highly knowledgeable before I began studying for the certification test, and still do now.
The test was difficult mainly because there are many formal procedures that need to be memorized which have little to do with the functional aspects of training. For this reason, I did not like the test very much at all. On those parts of it which dealt with training-related questions, I did well, and on the formal procedures, I did poorly, though altogether well enough to pass.
Considering my results with the test, and level of knowledge prior to taking it, I don’t think there’s any way that someone with little or no fitness knowledge could take it and hope to get a passing score.
In comparing the different certification agencies, I found that most of them seemed to operate on more-or-less the same criteria. So, while I ended up going with an agency that is generally considered top-tier, I doubt that the second-tier organizations are significantly easier to get into.
It ain’t easy to get certified. Lotta bullshit you have to memorize, if nothing else.[/quote]
Memorising things is easy to some. I memorised the majority of my University courses and passed with a pretty fucking good degree. Ask me if I can remember any of it now. Ask me if I could apply what I learnt. The answer is no. Sure not always you use what you learn at Uni (so is my case), but I’m pretty sure that if I had applied knowledge in any of the courses I studied, I would still remember them to this day.
Point being, a certificate doesn’t mean shit. If you don’t walk the walk you’ll never really be able to talk the talk.
Thanks for explaining to me how a squat works…
I cannot believe you are trying to argue there is no value in doing leg presses. I am not saying don’t do squats and deads but leg presses have their value in any program.
Also, I ocassionally squat on a smith machine b/c it will allow me to place my feet more in front of the bar thereby placing the major focus on my quads only while still lifting heavy.
But you seem to know what you are talking about since you just went through the certification process. If you want some more credibility, post a pic of your legs and I may be more inclined to listen.
A
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
When you do squats, movement occurs at 2 seperate joints, the hips and the knees. The body is supposed to fold like a jack-knife, the hips descending in tandem with the torso. When you do leg presses or squats on a machine, the upper body is supported, and thus prevented from folding. The movement is un-natural, and usually places greater than normal stress on the spine or lumbar musculature. That’s why there’s no reason to do leg presses. There are many different ways of squatting and deadlifting with free weights.
Back squats
Front Squats
Full, Parallel, High Bar, Low Bar
DB, BB, Cables, Trap-Bars
Front DL’s
Trap-Bar DL’s
DB DL’s, etc
No reason at all to use machines for squatting or pulling, ever.[/quote]
I did not say all of them were easily obtained and I did not list a specific certification. As already posted, there are on-line certifications you can take. If you can read and type, they will give you a certificate. Copy info from a book to a website and bingo.
But all the certifications in the world are not going to help you if you cannot apply what you know. I know some guys who have trained and trained with top body builders and they never opened a book in their lives.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Another point is that I think it has become way to easy to get certified. To me, a ceritifcation doesnt mean shit if you cant apply what you know to your clients and get results. But give a certification to one of these young know-it-alls and there is no point discussing anything.
It isn’t easy at all. I just did it 2 weeks ago for ACSM. The reason I did it was because I recieved an opportunity to be hired at the gym where I now train.
I had been studying exercise physiology, nutrition, and related aspects of fitness for over a year. I considered myself highly knowledgeable before I began studying for the certification test, and still do now.
The test was difficult mainly because there are many formal procedures that need to be memorized which have little to do with the functional aspects of training. For this reason, I did not like the test very much at all. On those parts of it which dealt with training-related questions, I did well, and on the formal procedures, I did poorly, though altogether well enough to pass.
Considering my results with the test, and level of knowledge prior to taking it, I don’t think there’s any way that someone with little or no fitness knowledge could take it and hope to get a passing score.
In comparing the different certification agencies, I found that most of them seemed to operate on more-or-less the same criteria. So, while I ended up going with an agency that is generally considered top-tier, I doubt that the second-tier organizations are significantly easier to get into.
It ain’t easy to get certified. Lotta bullshit you have to memorize, if nothing else.[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
TShaw wrote:
About three years ago I was telling one of the trainers at my gym that building more muscle meant having a body that automatically burned more calories, even at rest.
Him: “Wellll, it’s an interesting theory, but–”
Me: [cutting him off] “Okay. We can’t have this conversation until you learn more.” And I walked away. We haven’t spoken to each other since.
Shit, there are people here who can’t grasp that.[/quote]
On a side note, has anyone been able to find what they feel is a reliable estimate of how many kcal it is per lb of muscle? Researching it on the internet brought me answers anywhere from 6-100 kcal/day/lb.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sxio wrote:
Nominal. You’ll find that some clients, due to back or neck pain can’t do squats or deadlifts.
You may then find that there’s a use for the leg press after all!
Agreed. I am amazed that anyone is claiming that leg presses are a negative and should be avoided in favor of squats in all cases.
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Yep-there’s a use for most every exercise with SOME circumstance.
Wait, no, kickbacks still suck.
[quote]Esivau wrote:
This pretty much sums it up:
http://fittv.discovery.com/fansites/thegym/bio/ben.html[/quote]
If you can muster the strength to sit through just 15 minutes of that sack o’ shit show, you’ll get a plate load of moronic comments.
Mind you that this isn’t verbatim, but the tall female trainer was making the comment that there’s more to being in shape then just having muscle. She followed up by saying; “This is why you see so many bodybuilders with heart problems.”
Great, now I guess that you can also get your MD with that personal trainer certification from the back cover of M&F.
I just moved and was searching for a new gym in my area. Because it was so convenient, I decided to give the local Bally Total Fatness a try (which by the way, seems to be quite the metrosexual hangout).
Anyway, I couldn’t help but overhear one of their expert personal trainers tell his clients that black people naturally have bigger glute muscles because their ancestors were forced to pick cotton for so many years.
The look on his clients faces were priceless!
The other day I just stretched for 45 min, and when I was almost done a trainer came up and said “Your still stretching?!, good luck getting stronger.” and then he kinda laughed
I was walking from the locker room at my gym to the weight room the only way there is through the cardio area which is a sea of eliptacles treads etc. as I walked the main Isle a trainer and client was walking towards me and conversing, the client was a female with one of those incredibly odd shapes pencil thin long legs and an almost round fat torso all I caught of the conversation was the following. “Ha ha Oh no you don’t wanna be doin squats! That would never work for a woman like you. Besides they stimulate to many hormones, Yep way to many hormones!”
My friend was describing a work out his personal trainer put him. he basically just did a lot of body weight exercises and then did these something he called sevens. He did seven 1/4 bicep curls, 7 1/2 curls, and then seven normal curls. when i asked him why he didn’t just do normal curls the entire he time he said it was to “work the upper and lower bicep”. i then told him that the bicep was one muscle and the you couldn’t work the upper and lower part. he said “yah i know, but there is a cut at the top of the bicep and a cut at the bottom and sevens form them both.”
Trainer x “i dont know what you do with your sports specific clients, but i dont let regular people squat its bad for their knees”
[quote]Jmiller558 wrote:
My friend was describing a work out his personal trainer put him. he basically just did a lot of body weight exercises and then did these something he called sevens. He did seven 1/4 bicep curls, 7 1/2 curls, and then seven normal curls. when i asked him why he didn’t just do normal curls the entire he time he said it was to “work the upper and lower bicep”. i then told him that the bicep was one muscle and the you couldn’t work the upper and lower part. he said “yah i know, but there is a cut at the top of the bicep and a cut at the bottom and sevens form them both.”[/quote]
You should have asked him what 8s would have done for those cuts, and why 6s were not up to the task.