Stupid Meaty Arms

Just go to Wal-Mart and you’ll always see fat women who have flab on their upper arm that covers their elbow. I thought it was a girl thing.

[quote]bboybean wrote:
I just wanted to give an example of the frequency I train my arms . For Tri’s I go heavy on close grip 2x wk 1x lighter sometimes 2x25 or 100rep sets.
[/quote]

Do you do pullups? Weighted pullups? What do you consider heavy for your tris? Would that be 10x3 or 5x5… Is it followed by weighted dips? I guess I’m asking you to post your workout.

If you’re not doing most of the following exercises, do them now:

Weighted chin-ups
Weighed dips
Overhead Press
Bench Press
Deadlift
Rows
Barbell Curl
Skull Crusher

These exercises should give you complete arm development.

Other than that, drop the body fat and the definition will show.

[quote]jmwintenn wrote:
no d-bol would give you the definition you want,I myself am 5’11 215lbs with 16in arms cold(dunno how big flexed)and my bf is between 15-20%,but let me tell you this-when I hold a weight in my hand you can damn sure see definition,I’m calling bs on your stats or your story.[/quote]

what the hell does this mean? your arms are 16in cold and you dont know what they are flexed?..ok, listen up…

cold goes together with pumped, and flexed goes together with unflexed. when you take a BBing arm measurement, the tape goes around the largest part of your flexed upper arm. an unflexed arm measurement is useless in BBing. taking the measurement “cold” means taking the measurement either long enough before or after a workout so that you are not still experiencing the “pump” effects of the workout. now, that means the opposite of taking a cold measurement would be taking the measurement of your flexed upper arm while your arms are all pumped up from a workout. i am not sure the true value of doing this…some say that it shows the potential for growth, and im not sure that i agree there. perhaps growth relative to your current body size. meaning, when you are 160lbs with 14in arms, and they pump to 15in, then when youre 175 and your 15.5in’s pump to 16 1/2, then at 190lbs when your 16 1/2’s pump to 17 1/4, etc, etc.

[quote]BFBullpup wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
In summary, you need to train more stamina related exercises involving arms. This way, local metabolism is sped up.

It’s the same reason some guys “tone” muscles with high reps and do endless series of situps. While it’s pretty retarded to assume you’ll get better shaped muscles, it works definately for fat loss to some degree. And if you say you can see your abs, but your guns are too meaty, you will see vast improvements fast. (two to three months)

Spot reduction doesn’t work. Nobody using the crunches bench at my gym daily has a six-pack.

The OP would have to drop more overall bodyfat to bring out his arms, assuming they are as bad as he thinks.[/quote]

I don’t agree with that.
While it’s often repeated that spot reduction doesn’t work, it is my observation, that it does to a certain degree. And since he says that he’s no fatass, it should definately work for him.

Let me explain:
Why did I mention boxing in my post?
The first thing that gets a good definition because of boxing is the arms area, especially the shoulders. Guys with reasonable definition get to see their veins on the anterior delt after about half a year.
Or take runners. I know/saw so many guys who do marathons and do not have a sixpack, in contrast. They have some flab even when the rest of their upper body is skinny. Their legs however, always have a decent definition.

I’ve seen this effect too often to unbelieve it. Certainly you can’t destroy a beerbelly through situps, but how many times have we seen the average nonfat guy get an OK definition on his stomach through situps?

[quote]I don’t agree with that.
While it’s often repeated that spot reduction doesn’t work, it is my observation, that it does to a certain degree. And since he says that he’s no fatass, it should definately work for him.

Let me explain:
Why did I mention boxing in my post?
The first thing that gets a good definition because of boxing is the arms area, especially the shoulders. Guys with reasonable definition get to see their veins on the anterior delt after about half a year.
Or take runners. I know/saw so many guys who do marathons and do not have a sixpack, in contrast. They have some flab even when the rest of their upper body is skinny. Their legs however, always have a decent definition.

I’ve seen this effect too often to unbelieve it. Certainly you can’t destroy a beerbelly through situps, but how many times have we seen the average nonfat guy get an OK definition on his stomach through situps?[/quote]

This is due to adding more muscle mass, and not reducing fat though. Thats why I said in my first post that he might benefit from adding mass instead of trying to cut fat.

[quote]dez6485 wrote:
jmwintenn wrote:
no d-bol would give you the definition you want,I myself am 5’11 215lbs with 16in arms cold(dunno how big flexed)and my bf is between 15-20%,but let me tell you this-when I hold a weight in my hand you can damn sure see definition,I’m calling bs on your stats or your story.

what the hell does this mean? your arms are 16in cold and you dont know what they are flexed?..ok, listen up…

cold goes together with pumped, and flexed goes together with unflexed. when you take a BBing arm measurement, the tape goes around the largest part of your flexed upper arm. an unflexed arm measurement is useless in BBing. taking the measurement “cold” means taking the measurement either long enough before or after a workout so that you are not still experiencing the “pump” effects of the workout. now, that means the opposite of taking a cold measurement would be taking the measurement of your flexed upper arm while your arms are all pumped up from a workout. i am not sure the true value of doing this…some say that it shows the potential for growth, and im not sure that i agree there. perhaps growth relative to your current body size. meaning, when you are 160lbs with 14in arms, and they pump to 15in, then when youre 175 and your 15.5in’s pump to 16 1/2, then at 190lbs when your 16 1/2’s pump to 17 1/4, etc, etc.[/quote]

I am not technical with my terms so ill spell it out for ya since not many have read common sense:

cold=unflexed,as in i held my arm out after 3 days off rolled a tape measure around it and read it.That’s what cold means to me when referring to arm measurements.

[quote]jmwintenn wrote:
dez6485 wrote:
jmwintenn wrote:
no d-bol would give you the definition you want,I myself am 5’11 215lbs with 16in arms cold(dunno how big flexed)and my bf is between 15-20%,but let me tell you this-when I hold a weight in my hand you can damn sure see definition,I’m calling bs on your stats or your story.

what the hell does this mean? your arms are 16in cold and you dont know what they are flexed?..ok, listen up…

cold goes together with pumped, and flexed goes together with unflexed. when you take a BBing arm measurement, the tape goes around the largest part of your flexed upper arm. an unflexed arm measurement is useless in BBing. taking the measurement “cold” means taking the measurement either long enough before or after a workout so that you are not still experiencing the “pump” effects of the workout. now, that means the opposite of taking a cold measurement would be taking the measurement of your flexed upper arm while your arms are all pumped up from a workout. i am not sure the true value of doing this…some say that it shows the potential for growth, and im not sure that i agree there. perhaps growth relative to your current body size. meaning, when you are 160lbs with 14in arms, and they pump to 15in, then when youre 175 and your 15.5in’s pump to 16 1/2, then at 190lbs when your 16 1/2’s pump to 17 1/4, etc, etc.

I am not technical with my terms so ill spell it out for ya since not many have read common sense:

cold=unflexed,as in i held my arm out after 3 days off rolled a tape measure around it and read it.That’s what cold means to me when referring to arm measurements.[/quote]

ill spell it back out for you then: as long as youre taking the time to take bodybuilding measurements (i.e. an upper arm girth measurement), do it the right fucking way, which is flexed, and cold. cold meaning you dont have a pump, and flexed meaning FUCKING FLEXED. cold doesnt mean unflexed, and these arent fucking technical terms.

[quote]jmwintenn wrote:

I am not technical with my terms so ill spell it out for ya since not many have read common sense:

cold=unflexed,as in i held my arm out after 3 days off rolled a tape measure around it and read it.That’s what cold means to me when referring to arm measurements.[/quote]

Dude, who gives a shit what it “means to you”? That isn’t the way it is done and it won’t relate to anyone else when they are referring to that measurement. Cold does not mean holding your arm out and never has. Why try to make up new meanings for shit that has been done one way for decades? Cold means untrained. It means there is no pump in the muscle. You still take the measurement flexed. What the hell is wrong with some people?

actually you’re right,i didnt start training them directly until mid-june.And no one has ever showed me how to take proper measurements.I wont argue with you Prof X,but dez didnt have to be an ass about explaining it,thus I was an ass.

Arm measurement is the hardest aspect of bodybuilding IMO. Nutrition, intensity and Training are jsut an after thought.

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
I wouldn’t give a rat’s ass about some vague hormone based theories (“I’ve heard that guys with fast growing toenails have short muscle bellies in the rear delt”)

It’s not that complicated.
Incorporate sandbag training into your cardio routine. Do a lot of pushups.

In summary, you need to train more stamina related exercises involving arms. This way, local metabolism is sped up.

It’s the same reason some guys “tone” muscles with high reps and do endless series of situps. While it’s pretty retarded to assume you’ll get better shaped muscles, it works definately for fat loss to some degree. And if you say you can see your abs, but your guns are too meaty, you will see vast improvements fast. (two to three months)

You could lose strength and lean mass but the fat WILL go away with time.
Happy sweating.[/quote]

Lifting heavier weights taxes the body more therefore increasing the metabolism. you burn more calories from lifting heavier than you do pumping out an endless number of reps