[quote]red04 wrote:
Egilll wrote:
Kalle wrote:
here is a quote someone told me
“When I want to lose weight I just don’t eat all day and eat a really big dinner.”
funny stuff…
the only thing funny about that is that you think you know better while this is actually a quite good way to loose weight for many people. the multiple meals a day bodybuilding diet isn’t the only way to loose weight.
Are you serious? Just because some people lose weight on it doesn’t make it “quite good.” That’s a fast track to a destroyed metabolism and 18 hours a day in a catabolic environment.[/quote]
It worked for a friend of mine. Of course, this was also coupled with a “brisk walk” every day, so it’s not like he cared if he was catabolic…
I met a girl in high school who was on the “Cheerio’s diet” so that she could fit into her prom dress. This consisted of one cup of cheerios a day and nothing else. Pretty terrible.
[quote]Egilll wrote:
Kalle wrote:
here is a quote someone told me
“When I want to lose weight I just don’t eat all day and eat a really big dinner.”
funny stuff…
the only thing funny about that is that you think you know better while this is actually a quite good way to loose weight for many people. the multiple meals a day bodybuilding diet isn’t the only way to loose weight.[/quote]
LOL sure you might lose weight on it, but it wrecks your metabolism and you will gain all the weight back and than some when you start eating food regularly again. Of course you will lose just as much muscle as fat so you will look like shit regardless if you lost a few lbs or not.
Of course a “bodybuilding diet” isn’t the only way to lose weight but is probably the best way to “look good nekkid” Why is everyone obsessed with scale weight? I don’t care what you weigh if you look like shit you look like shit.
I was watching tv with my 5 year old nephew when a nutrisystem commercial came on. He told my sister “see mom pizza helps you lose weight!” I than started trying to explain to him why nutrisystem was a scam. I than remembered I was talking to a 5 year old and all he was trying to do was trick his mom into buying pizza.
[quote]Kalle wrote:
you will lose just as much muscle as fat so you will look like shit regardless if you lost a few lbs or not…
a “bodybuilding diet” isn’t the only way to lose weight but is probably the best way to “look good nekkid” Why is everyone obsessed with scale weight? I don’t care what you weigh if you look like shit you look like shit. [/quote]
Well said, and much too blunt for the majority of the “normals”, unfortunately…
[quote]Blacksnake wrote:
Kalle wrote:
you will lose just as much muscle as fat so you will look like shit regardless if you lost a few lbs or not…
a “bodybuilding diet” isn’t the only way to lose weight but is probably the best way to “look good nekkid” Why is everyone obsessed with scale weight? I don’t care what you weigh if you look like shit you look like shit.
Well said, and much too blunt for the majority of the “normals”, unfortunately…
[/quote]
Thanks, and yeah when explaining this concept to friends and family I would replace the word shit with fancy nice words like body composition and body recomposition.
red04 wrote:
“Are you serious? Just because some people lose weight on it doesn’t make it “quite good.” That’s a fast track to a destroyed metabolism and 18 hours a day in a catabolic environment.”
Why should it destroy your metabolism?.. I’ll tell you,.. it doesn’t,… that is IF you don’t reduce your calories too much below maintenance which you shouldn’t do with any other diet either. And yes, 18 hours with no meals is not excactly very anabolic, BUT on the other hand the big meal will be VERY anabolic,… the body is very good at maintaining homeostasis.
MODOK wrote:
This is the absolute antithesis of “a quite good way to loose weight”. It promotes weight gain via multiple physiological mechanisms.
The “skipping meals” diet is the basic American diet, which has lead to the current obesity epidemic in our country. The funny thing is, is he DOES know better, and you need to educate yourself a little better about nutrition before coming on this website to engage in a debate on the topic."
Well here’s a little education for you. The obesity epidemic is for the most part caused by food amount (calories) and food choices, it has very little to do with meal frequency. However frequent meals help some people manage their appetide and therefore eating less, especially people with bad insulin sensitivity because of fatness and/or bad food choices over the years.
And if your insulin sensitivity sucks ass because of fatness and/or dietary “abuse” you might need to limit your meal size and/or be very careful with meal combinations to keep your blood sugar in “healthy boundaries”. With this knowledge saying that eating only once a day (big dinner) is the antithesis of “a quite good way to loose weight” isn’t smart because food choices play a much bigger part in a successful diet than meal frequency.
Kalle wrote:
LOL sure you might lose weight on it, but it wrecks your metabolism and you will gain all the weight back and than some when you start eating food regularly again. Of course you will lose just as much muscle as fat so you will look like shit regardless if you lost a few lbs or not.
Of course a “bodybuilding diet” isn’t the only way to lose weight but is probably the best way to “look good nekkid” Why is everyone obsessed with scale weight? I don’t care what you weigh if you look like shit you look like shit.
I am taking lean mass into account here too, i.e. eating only once a day isn’t nearly as catabolic as most bodybuilders like to think. That has also been my personal experience as I used to be very lean when I ate only one big meal a day. If you are loosing just as much muscle as fat on a one meal a day diet then you are cutting your calories too much irregardless of meal frequency (the exception being if you are already very lean and at a point where it is getting extremely hard to loose any extra fat).
Here is a link that my friend showed me recently that supports the fact that eating only once a day (or overfeeding in a short period once a day) can work quite well - that being an understatement - which is no news to me but might give some “internet experts” a dose of humbleness and let them think twice about what they think they know:
red04 wrote:
“Are you serious? Just because some people lose weight on it doesn’t make it “quite good.” That’s a fast track to a destroyed metabolism and 18 hours a day in a catabolic environment.”
Why should it destroy your metabolism?.. I’ll tell you,.. it doesn’t,… that is IF you don’t reduce your calories too much below maintenance which you shouldn’t do with any other diet either. And yes, 18 hours with no meals is not excactly very anabolic, BUT on the other hand the big meal will be VERY anabolic,… the body is very good at maintaining homeostasis.
MODOK wrote:
This is the absolute antithesis of “a quite good way to loose weight”. It promotes weight gain via multiple physiological mechanisms.
The “skipping meals” diet is the basic American diet, which has lead to the current obesity epidemic in our country. The funny thing is, is he DOES know better, and you need to educate yourself a little better about nutrition before coming on this website to engage in a debate on the topic."
Well here’s a little education for you. The obesity epidemic is for the most part caused by food amount (calories) and food choices, it has very little to do with meal frequency. However frequent meals help some people manage their appetide and therefore eating less, especially people with bad insulin sensitivity because of fatness and/or bad food choices over the years.
And if your insulin sensitivity sucks ass because of fatness and/or dietary “abuse” you might need to limit your meal size and/or be very careful with meal combinations to keep your blood sugar in “healthy boundaries”. With this knowledge saying that eating only once a day (big dinner) is the antithesis of “a quite good way to loose weight” isn’t smart because food choices play a much bigger part in a successful diet than meal frequency.
Kalle wrote:
LOL sure you might lose weight on it, but it wrecks your metabolism and you will gain all the weight back and than some when you start eating food regularly again. Of course you will lose just as much muscle as fat so you will look like shit regardless if you lost a few lbs or not.
Of course a “bodybuilding diet” isn’t the only way to lose weight but is probably the best way to “look good nekkid” Why is everyone obsessed with scale weight? I don’t care what you weigh if you look like shit you look like shit.
I am taking lean mass into account here too, i.e. eating only once a day isn’t nearly as catabolic as most bodybuilders like to think. That has also been my personal experience as I used to be very lean when I ate only one big meal a day. If you are loosing just as much muscle as fat on a one meal a day diet then you are cutting your calories too much irregardless of meal frequency (the exception being if you are already very lean and at a point where it is getting extremely hard to loose any extra fat).
Here is a link that my friend showed me recently that supports the fact that eating only once a day (or overfeeding in a short period once a day) can work quite well - that being an understatement - which is no news to me but might give some “internet experts” a dose of humbleness and let them think twice about what they think they know[/quote]
We are all some much more knowledgeable now. Thank you so much. You have single-handedly cured the obesity epidemic in one single internet post. It must be great to be you.
As to the link you posted- I love how the little dude swears he deadlifted 600lbs then goes on to explain why all of the plates he’s using are actually heavier than you think they are and are “non-standard”. Riiiiight… Will you believe anything you read? I bet you think fat is bad for you too and we all take in too much protein.
This girl, she wasn’t really fat to begin with, but she wanted to lose weight. She thought, “hey, potatoes are healthy and good. I’ll live on those”. So she ate fries all day long.
Guess what, she gained 30 pounds…
red04 wrote:
Intermittent fasting is not 1 meal a day, not even close.
that’s right,.. I was a bit quick in posting this link as it isn’t the link I meant to post (and I don’t remember where the link is I was looking for),… BUT this link is an example of the fact that you can get great results even though you are fasting the most part of the day.
eengrms76 wrote:
We are all some much more knowledgeable now. Thank you so much. You have single-handedly cured the obesity epidemic in one single internet post. It must be great to be you.
As to the link you posted- I love how the little dude swears he deadlifted 600lbs then goes on to explain why all of the plates he’s using are actually heavier than you think they are and are “non-standard”. Riiiiight… Will you believe anything you read? I bet you think fat is bad for you too and we all take in too much protein.
Way to show your maturity here with childish accusations,…why say that I cured the obesity epidemic in one single internet post while we both know that’s bullshit,… the right info doesn’t do anything if people don’t follow it,… dieting is a lifelong goal which isn’t easy with the overbundance of easy accessable, easy digestable, caloric rich, sugary/fatty high GI foods etc. in todays society, especially when you have fucked up your body by dietary abuse over the years causing your leptin levels to be permanently fucked etc. causing it to be very hard mentally/physically to stay decently lean,… and you ask if I believe anything I read,… that wouldn’t be a smart thing and is excactly what I am challenging,… this “eating 6 meals a day or your muscles will wither away in catabolism” has been said so often that people don’t question it anymore,… and even though that dude on the website might be excaggerating or a littley cocky doesn’t take away from his accomplishments so that was a totally useless remark which has nothing to do with this discussion,… and you bet that I think fat is bad for you, well sure I do (rolls eyes because of a stupid remark),… and you also bet that we take in too much protein,.. well that depends on the situation,… if your drink a lot of fluid and are trying to gain muscle the answer would probably be no,… but if your hydration sucks or if maximum longevity is your main goal then the answer would probably be yes.
BTW,here is a study that was posted on the leangains site,.. I don’t live and die by studies but interesting nontheless:
"Of greater interest is the rather recent study by Stote et al (2007) showing improved bodycomposition with a 20 hr fast - in this case the calorie intake was tightly controlled. The study compares regular eating pattern (three evenly spaced meals) with fasting and im posting some interesting tidsbits below:
Results: Subjects who completed the study maintained their body
weight within 2 kg of their initial weight throughout the 6-mo period.
There were no significant effects of meal frequency on heart rate,
body temperature, or most of the blood variables measured. However,
when consuming 1 meal/d, subjects had a significant increase
in hunger; a significant modification of body composition, including
reductions in fat mass; significant increases in blood pressure and in
total, LDL-, and HDL-cholesterol concentrations; and a significant
decrease in concentrations of cortisol.
Conclusions: Normal-weight subjects are able to comply with a 1
meal/d diet. When meal frequency is decreased without a reduction
in overall calorie intake, modest changes occur in body composition,
some cardiovascular disease risk factors, and hematologic variables.
Diurnal variations may affect outcomes. Am J Clin Nutr 2007;
85:981�?? 8
Note the reduction in bodyfat (esp interesting considering calorie intake was not reduced)."
Im past responding to moronic posts about the system I employ, how it will “wreck your metabolism”, eat away your muscles due to the fasted phase and so forth, so I’ll leave all that aside for the moment.
It’s your sarcasm about my lift that pisses me off. Can I expect an apology from you if I film the weights I used for the lift? Just as I posted on my site, and have responded to several others making remarks, the plate sizes are not standard size due to being of the Techno Gym brand.
I’ll film the weights tomorrow, or Monday, in such a way that you will clearly see the size discrepancy between the small size 45 lbs plates in comparison to the inner 55 lbs plates (only ones being standard size).
What Im wondering now is how you will respond - some trollish remark like a little bitch or an actual apology for talking down on my accomplishment?
I know so many girls who know all the calorie counts, etc. for all the foods they eat and are extremely strict about what they eat all day. Then they eat cold cereal for dinner about half the nights of the week, and wonder why they get these intense urges for breads/carbs all day.
<And God help you if you try to explain why you’re not really “saving calories” by eating Cheerios for dinner and that it is more likely to make you gain weight even if you’re at lower calorie levels.>
[quote]Martin Berkhan wrote:
Can I expect an apology from you if I film the weights I used for the lift? [/quote]
No. One should never “expect” an apology. It would show a level of respect that you can’t earn over the internet. I stand by my statements.
The fact is what works for you doesn’t mean it will work for anyone else. Your site is a god damned blog site for christ’s sake and not an authority on nutrition and fitness. I could just as easily create the same damn site and say whatever I want. It doesn’t make it true or useful in any way to anyone other than yourself and apparently that other guy.
You say eating once a day is the only way to do it- well they all said low fat was the only way to do it once too. No one on this site has ever said that the absolute ONLY way to live is to eat 6 times a day. They may say they believe in it 100% and that it works better than anything else, but most people are always open to other ideas. Even the coaches and authors on here don’t all agree what the best method is. Hell I don’t even eat 6 times a day. Somedays I eat 8 times, others I eat 2. Just depends. What pissed me off was that other dude was using your blog site as some sort of proof that he was right and everyone else is wrong.
Call me a troll if you want. I don’t care. My record on here speaks for itself. You’ve had all of two posts and so far have been less than useful.
[quote]Egilll wrote:
Way to show your maturity here with childish accusations,…why say that I cured the obesity epidemic in one single internet post while we both know that’s bullshit,…[/quote]
It’s called sarcasm- look it up.
First actual true thing you’ve said. Good for you.
[quote]and you ask if I believe anything I read,… that wouldn’t be a smart thing and is excactly what I am challenging,… this “eating 6 meals a day or your muscles will wither away in catabolism” has been said so often that people don’t question it anymore[quote]
No one ever said they would wither away. If you don’t understand why even 8 straight hours without food is hard on your lean tissues, you can’t participate in this argument.
True. I just thought it was funny. I don’t quite understand why he needed to tell everyone that the plates he was using are actually heavier than they appear to be. Seem to me like he was bullshitting. People who are being honest never have the urge to tell a story about it or the have the need to explain themselves. Even if the plates where the size they appeared to be and not what he said it was still an impressive lift for his size. I never said it wasn’t.
It’s not the “leangains” site- it’s the dude’s blog. If you want any of your future posts to have credibility- at least use a credible source and not some blog that just reposts other information.
[quote]"Of greater interest is the rather recent study by Stote et al (2007) showing improved bodycomposition with a 20 hr fast - in this case the calorie intake was tightly controlled. The study compares regular eating pattern (three evenly spaced meals) with fasting and im posting some interesting tidsbits below:
Results: Subjects who completed the study maintained their body
weight within 2 kg of their initial weight throughout the 6-mo period.
There were no significant effects of meal frequency on heart rate,
body temperature, or most of the blood variables measured. However,
when consuming 1 meal/d, subjects had a significant increase
in hunger; a significant modification of body composition, including
reductions in fat mass; significant increases in blood pressure and in
total, LDL-, and HDL-cholesterol concentrations; and a significant
decrease in concentrations of cortisol.
Conclusions: Normal-weight subjects are able to comply with a 1
meal/d diet. When meal frequency is decreased without a reduction
in overall calorie intake, modest changes occur in body composition,
some cardiovascular disease risk factors, and hematologic variables.
Diurnal variations may affect outcomes. Am J Clin Nutr 2007;
85:981�?? 8
Note the reduction in bodyfat (esp interesting considering calorie intake was not reduced)."[/quote]
Wait a minute- so they had a slight reduction in bodyfat, but they had an increase in hunger, blood pressure, and cholesterol? Yeah - sounds great to me. Sign me up. No wait- I think I’ll keep doing what I’m doing that allows me to pretty much eat throughout the day, decrease bodyfat, DECREASE blood pressure, DECREASE cholesterol (all proven from recent doctor’s visits), and actually decrease general hunger. The only thing interesting about that study was the decrease in cortisol- notice it says “concentration of cortisol”. That may or may not mean anything since they don’t explain. I actually don’t buy that though as increased hunger and reduced cortisol doesn’t mix. It’s long been proven that hunger has a direct correlation with increased stress levels.
And EGilll - please learn how to properly quote on here. It would make your posts a lot easier to read.
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
Martin Berkhan wrote:
Can I expect an apology from you if I film the weights I used for the lift?
No. One should never “expect” an apology. It would show a level of respect that you can’t earn over the internet. I stand by my statements. [/quote]
So you wouldn’t admit to being wrong, even when I have the weights on video, filmed in such a way that there is no way to fake such a lift outside handpainting the weights and/or using optical illusions?
Not only the worst kind of troll, but a goddamn stubborn fool that clings to a patethic sense of pride. Good luck in life.
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
The fact is what works for you doesn’t mean it will work for anyone else. Your site is a god damned blog site for christ’s sake and not an authority on nutrition and fitness. I could just as easily create the same damn site and say whatever I want. It doesn’t make it true or useful in any way to anyone other than yourself and apparently that other guy. [/quote]
If you would have taken more than a glance at the blog, you would have seen that there are several people successfully using the protocol, competing pro’s as well as amateurs and people with more than a casual interest in nutrition. Intermittent Fasting and it’s effects on insulin sensitivity, health indicators, metabolism and appetite suppresion is well documented through empirical research. Everything is “true” in terms of what I claim, based on several studies (outside of appetite suppresion, which is backed by anecdotal feedback). I dare you to find me something on my blog that I cannot back up with references. However, that would require basic reading comprehension skills, which I doubt you possess.
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
You say eating once a day is the only way to do it- well they all said low fat was the only way to do it once too. No one on this site has ever said that the absolute ONLY way to live is to eat 6 times a day. They may say they believe in it 100% and that it works better than anything else, but most people are always open to other ideas. Even the coaches and authors on here don’t all agree what the best method is. Hell I don’t even eat 6 times a day. Somedays I eat 8 times, others I eat 2. Just depends. What pissed me off was that other dude was using your blog site as some sort of proof that he was right and everyone else is wrong. [/quote]
In this post, all your nonsense and ignorance comes full circle. Nothing of what you just posted is true with regards to my protocol or my beliefs.
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
Call me a troll if you want. I don’t care. My record on here speaks for itself. You’ve had all of two posts and so far have been less than useful. [/quote]
Your record here only shows that you have to much time on your hand. I looked up your posts and despite having spent so much time here, you are clearly misinformed on several topics relating to nutrition and metabolism; the assumption that lean tissues will be negatively affected by fasting, in the context of adequate nutriton and protein intake, is just an example of the bullshit that spews out of your writings.
The absence of pictures, strengthens my suspicion about you being just another desk jockey that likes to talk down on other peoples accomplishments - words fueled by self disgust and jealousy.
