[quote]Big Banana wrote:MediaMatters is a joke. They take everything out of context and when that doesn’t work they lie. Soro’s funded crooked organization.
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The joke is you throwing a temper-tantrum over clearly documented, clearly correct fact-checking.
[quote]Big Banana wrote:The so called independent study was a white wash and not independent at all. The schools were in charge of the investigation and CNN is knowingly misreporting.
Blatant media bias.[/quote]
Oh, OK, I’ll take your word over CNN’s.
Back it up, or shut up.
Also, you should know that the data reported by the CRU almost exactly matched NASA’s data as well. Sorry, there was no doctoring of information. Just accept the fact.
I’ll wait until your menstrual cycle is over before I respond…
Better? OK. First of all, I desire that you get your story straight. Am I:
a.) a USA-hating-insurgent-loving jerk, or am I
b.) a anti-war namby pamby?
Because you DO realize that I can’t be both at once, right? You do realize that it makes absolutely 0 sense for anti-war leftist to cheer at American deaths, right? Because if I wanted to see American soldiers die, I’d be pro-war. Is that getting through? Just making sure, because you’re getting incoherent.
Second of all, if armchair Green Berets like you want to cheerlead for war, you better get used to seeing the results on the news. You have no right whatsoever to call for war and then to try to deceive the public. You don’t like seeing soldiers get killed on TV? Tough shit. People die in a war, and if you don’t want to see it on TV, you should oppose the war.
So try to grow some balls and confront the issue honestly for once. Not everybody who has a different opinion than you is “anti-American,” and it’s pathetic that you hide behind a twisted version of patriotism.
Emboldens the enemy? Do you realize how stupid that is? Right wing radio is starting to degrade your synapses. Not only do I doubt that the insurgents sit around watching CNN all day, but even if they did, I’ll bet they were far more emboldened by the act of killing the solider to begin with. And if watching the instant replay emboldens them, like you said, they already have the video. They don’t need to watch CNN to see it. This is COMPLETELY about you trying to hide information from the public.
So I don’t care how squeamish you are, the public needs to be reminded that war isn’t a video game, and it’s not fun, and it causes their countrymen to die brutal, pointless deaths, and they need to be reminded often.
No, you’re just not making sense. I know it makes “right wing sense,” but it doesn’t make sense sense. Let me get this straight: CNN shows liberal bias because they played a tape that the Taliban sent them? So now reporting on news shows a liberal bias? What should they do? I know you’ll say, “They shouldn’t have played the tape,” but that still doesn’t answer the question. Other than offend your weird sensibilities, what have they done?
[quote]You know exactly jack shit about sacrifice, duty, commitment, honor, or any of the other qualities that our fighting men and women have. You cheer on news outlets like CNN for playing videos of US soldiers being killed, while our fighting men and women fight for your right to do so. You float through college on mommy and daddy’s money and have no idea about the real world. I got nothing else to say to you, asshole.
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Blah blah blah, let me know when you’re done blubbering.
Once you get beyond the standard bullshit about “service, sacrifice,” yadda yadda yadda that the right wing uses to try to deflect any criticism of military action, your whole argument is incoherent. I’m against the war, because I’m against people dying pointless deaths (digression: soldiers in the Mid-East are “dying for my freedom?” HA! God, you’re stupid), but because I want the public to know exactly what’s going on over there, I’m a jerk? While you, waving your pom-poms at a conflict that you KNOW will cost American lives, you’re the one who really cares about the military? I’m the bad guy because I don’t want them to die at all, while you’re the patriotic American because you don’t want their deaths shown on TV? Do you see why I don’t take you seriously?
No way, except for a brief period of logical thought. To be fair, from a right winger’s perspective, perhaps there is no way around it.
Perhaps you need a lesson from Stalin: “The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.”
There is no reason not to play war footage other than that it hurts your feelings and it potentially rouses public opinion against the war. INFORMING THE PUBLIC IS NOT TREASON. Get over yourself.
As an aside, it’s amusing (read: sad) to me to see how fast an “anti-statist” like you shapeshifts and demands utter conformity to the wishes of the state in military matters.
HAHA! You’re agreeing with ZEB! Poor bigflamer; he’s hit rock-bottom, but you can’t help some people until they do.
[quote]ZEB wrote:It’s like clock work man - Don’t spend a whole lot of your time on this topic. Anyone who is really tuned in knows there is a huge media bias and there has been for many years. But you’ll never get one of T Nations liberals to actually admit it.
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HAHA! “Everyone knows.” They can never say HOW they know, but they know, and if you don’t accept their accusations made with 0 evidence, you’re obviously a moron.
The whole point of this thread was the bias that exists on FAUX news. The major defense of those that like FAUX news is that the other networks all have huge liberal bias and FAUX is this gleaming example of unbiased reporting
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
No way, except for a brief period of logical thought. To be fair, from a right winger’s perspective, perhaps there is no way around it.
Perhaps you need a lesson from Stalin: “The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.”
There is no reason not to play war footage other than that it hurts your feelings and it potentially rouses public opinion against the war. INFORMING THE PUBLIC IS NOT TREASON. Get over yourself.
As an aside, it’s amusing (read: sad) to me to see how fast an “anti-statist” like you shapeshifts and demands utter conformity to the wishes of the state in military matters. [/quote]
Amusingly predictable that you quote Stalin.
I’m not talking about “not showing war footage”, shit for brains. Cover the war, show “war footage” till the cows come home, absolutely. I’m talking about showing a propaganda video supplied by terrorists (insurgents-whatever) glorifying their killing of a US soldier. What if Fox News was playing a video supplied by a marine sniper unit glorifying a real world kill of an insurgent? What if they claimed that they were showing the video to “hammer home the realities of war”? Would you commend them also? Methinks not, junior. You have a serious comprehension problem that you need to work on before you enter into the real world.
And yes, when you enlist into the military, raise your right hand and swear to defend the country and the constitution with your life, you give up certain liberties and have to absolutely conform. This sort of commitment to service you know nothing about.
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
I’ll wait until your menstrual cycle is over before I respond…
Better? OK. First of all, I desire that you get your story straight. Am I:
a.) a USA-hating-insurgent-loving jerk, or am I
b.) a anti-war namby pamby?
Because you DO realize that I can’t be both at once, right? You do realize that it makes absolutely 0 sense for anti-war leftist to cheer at American deaths, right? Because if I wanted to see American soldiers die, I’d be pro-war. Is that getting through? Just making sure, because you’re getting incoherent.[/quote]
The inconsistency here is you stating that you cannot be both, then clearly trying to be both.
[quote]Second of all, if armchair Green Berets like you want to cheerlead for war, you better get used to seeing the results on the news. You have no right whatsoever to call for war and then to try to deceive the public. You don’t like seeing soldiers get killed on TV? Tough shit. People die in a war, and if you don’t want to see it on TV, you should oppose the war.
So try to grow some balls and confront the issue honestly for once. Not everybody who has a different opinion than you is “anti-American,” and it’s pathetic that you hide behind a twisted version of patriotism.[/quote]
Good grief. Ryan, I’m far from a “cheerleader” for the war. On foreign policy I’m solidly in the camp of Ron Paul and the Libertarians. Don’t confuse my picking apart the sad arguments of the left with my “cheering” the war. That’s intellectual laziness. You’re really jumping the shark here son, as usual in our little discussions. It’s anti American to show that video, not to have a different opinion. I challenge you to show me where I’ve made this statement.
Jesus Christ you’re retarded. Here you show your complete lack of ability to understand the subject matter. You think this is about the insurgents seeing the video on CNN? WTF!? It emboldens the enemy AT LARGE to continue fighting, to step up the attacks, to give the illusion that they are winning, to convince the enemy that there is no hope, to help in their recruitment, to…EMBOLDEN them. Get it? or do I need to get out the crayons. Google the definition of embolden, I don’t feel like doing it for you.
And again, I have to ask, do you think that the public doesn’t know that in war the enemy is trying to kill our soldiers? Golly goo fellas!, the enemy has SNIPERS! Don’t let the public know! HIDE IT!!!
LOL at you thinking that video is “information”. Dumbass…
Again, what if Fox News was showing videos of insurgents getting killed by US snipers? Would that be a good reminder that war isn’t a video game? Please answer this question.
This wasn’t about right wing, left wing, or otherwise. This was about right and wrong. And yes, they showed their liberal bias by showing a video supplied by the enemies of the United States, that they knew would embolden the enemy, and undermine the war efforts of a Republican president. Yes, that’s a liberal bias.
[quote]Blah blah blah, let me know when you’re done blubbering.
Once you get beyond the standard bullshit about “service, sacrifice,” yadda yadda yadda that the right wing uses to try to deflect any criticism of military action, your whole argument is incoherent. I’m against the war, because I’m against people dying pointless deaths (digression: soldiers in the Mid-East are “dying for my freedom?” HA! God, you’re stupid), but because I want the public to know exactly what’s going on over there, I’m a jerk? While you, waving your pom-poms at a conflict that you KNOW will cost American lives, you’re the one who really cares about the military? I’m the bad guy because I don’t want them to die at all, while you’re the patriotic American because you don’t want their deaths shown on TV? Do you see why I don’t take you seriously? [/quote]
This is how I’d expect you to react, with “blah blah blah”.
Using your line of argumentation, we come to this conclusion: The MSM should start airing as much video as the military can provide of US soldiers getting in some good kills of insurgents, along with as much video as the insurgents can provide of US soldiers getting killed. This will bring reality home to the people
Is this what you believe?
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]Carl_ wrote:
This is true if, and only if, you’re moronic enough to define “defeat” as “ending an unnecessary war”. Yup, that would be an awful, terrible “defeat”.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
It doesn’t matter to me!? Piss off, boy. Why don’t we skip the bullshit and get down to the nuts and bolts of this; You ever serve?
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Irrelevant. If I did not serve, you’ll say my opinion doesnt matter because I havent served. If I have, you’ll ignore it and say my opinion is wrong and I “should know better”, or somesuch.
Sorry to ruin your ad hom, bro.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
It doesn’t matter to me!? Piss off, boy. Why don’t we skip the bullshit and get down to the nuts and bolts of this; You ever serve?
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Irrelevant. If I did not serve, you’ll say my opinion doesnt matter because I havent served. If I have, you’ll ignore it and say my opinion is wrong and I “should know better”, or somesuch.
Sorry to ruin your ad hom, bro.[/quote]
I thought not…
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
It doesn’t matter to me!? Piss off, boy. Why don’t we skip the bullshit and get down to the nuts and bolts of this; You ever serve?
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Irrelevant. If I did not serve, you’ll say my opinion doesnt matter because I havent served. If I have, you’ll ignore it and say my opinion is wrong and I “should know better”, or somesuch.
Sorry to ruin your ad hom, bro.[/quote]
I thought not…
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Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
It doesn’t matter to me!? Piss off, boy. Why don’t we skip the bullshit and get down to the nuts and bolts of this; You ever serve?
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Irrelevant. If I did not serve, you’ll say my opinion doesnt matter because I havent served. If I have, you’ll ignore it and say my opinion is wrong and I “should know better”, or somesuch.
Sorry to ruin your ad hom, bro.[/quote]
I thought not…
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Oh well, in that case…
American soldiers suuuuuuuuuuck.
So, how much weight carries my opinion, given that I cleaned the staircases of a whole military facility with a toothbrush once which gives me quite a few insights into the tactical use of dental hygiene equipment that you sorely miss?
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:The so called independent study was a white wash and not independent at all. The schools were in charge of the investigation and CNN is knowingly misreporting.
Blatant media bias.[/quote]
Oh, OK, I’ll take your word over CNN’s.
Back it up, or shut up.
Also, you should know that the data reported by the CRU almost exactly matched NASA’s data as well. Sorry, there was no doctoring of information. Just accept the fact.[/quote]
Do some learning boy and then come back. Posting links to biased websites proves nothing.
Wrong again regarding NASA and CRU. Different data, different methodology. You really need to go back to school on this subject.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
It doesn’t matter to me!? Piss off, boy. Why don’t we skip the bullshit and get down to the nuts and bolts of this; You ever serve?
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Irrelevant. If I did not serve, you’ll say my opinion doesnt matter because I havent served. If I have, you’ll ignore it and say my opinion is wrong and I “should know better”, or somesuch.
Sorry to ruin your ad hom, bro.[/quote]
I thought not…
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Oh well, in that case…
American soldiers suuuuuuuuuuck.
So, how much weight carries my opinion, given that I cleaned the staircases of a whole military facility with a toothbrush once which gives me quite a few insights into the tactical use of dental hygiene equipment that you sorely miss?[/quote]
Court ordered community service doesn’t count, thanks for chiming in though.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
It doesn’t matter to me!? Piss off, boy. Why don’t we skip the bullshit and get down to the nuts and bolts of this; You ever serve?
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Irrelevant. If I did not serve, you’ll say my opinion doesnt matter because I havent served. If I have, you’ll ignore it and say my opinion is wrong and I “should know better”, or somesuch.
Sorry to ruin your ad hom, bro.[/quote]
I thought not…
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Oh well, in that case…
American soldiers suuuuuuuuuuck.
So, how much weight carries my opinion, given that I cleaned the staircases of a whole military facility with a toothbrush once which gives me quite a few insights into the tactical use of dental hygiene equipment that you sorely miss?[/quote]
Court ordered community service doesn’t count, thanks for chiming in though.
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However, since you did chime in; what’s your position on the CNN video?
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
It doesn’t matter to me!? Piss off, boy. Why don’t we skip the bullshit and get down to the nuts and bolts of this; You ever serve?
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Irrelevant. If I did not serve, you’ll say my opinion doesnt matter because I havent served. If I have, you’ll ignore it and say my opinion is wrong and I “should know better”, or somesuch.
Sorry to ruin your ad hom, bro.[/quote]
I thought not…
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Oh well, in that case…
American soldiers suuuuuuuuuuck.
So, how much weight carries my opinion, given that I cleaned the staircases of a whole military facility with a toothbrush once which gives me quite a few insights into the tactical use of dental hygiene equipment that you sorely miss?[/quote]
Court ordered community service doesn’t count, thanks for chiming in though.
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However, since you did chime in; what’s your position on the CNN video?
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My position is that my tv has an off button and that I am not afraid to use it.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
It doesn’t matter to me!? Piss off, boy. Why don’t we skip the bullshit and get down to the nuts and bolts of this; You ever serve?
[/quote]
Irrelevant. If I did not serve, you’ll say my opinion doesnt matter because I havent served. If I have, you’ll ignore it and say my opinion is wrong and I “should know better”, or somesuch.
Sorry to ruin your ad hom, bro.[/quote]
I thought not…
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Oh well, in that case…
American soldiers suuuuuuuuuuck.
So, how much weight carries my opinion, given that I cleaned the staircases of a whole military facility with a toothbrush once which gives me quite a few insights into the tactical use of dental hygiene equipment that you sorely miss?[/quote]
Court ordered community service doesn’t count, thanks for chiming in though.
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No court ordered comunity service in Austria.
There should be though.
Again, you’re trying to skew the debate. Footage of something that actually happened is not propaganda, it’s news. You’re admonishing CNN for doing their job because you don’t like what they play. The solution is for you to turn it off if you don’t like it, not to support the military in their attempt to deceive the public.
OK, you’re wrong. Play all the insurgent-slaughtering footage you want. I don’t care. I’m not the one who wants to selectively report the news, you are.
Sorry, it’s not me who continues to try to muddy the waters because they have such a hard-on for the military.
[quote]And yes, when you enlist into the military, raise your right hand and swear to defend the country and the constitution with your life, you give up certain liberties and have to absolutely conform. This sort of commitment to service you know nothing about.
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That’s not what I’m talking about, jackass, and you know it. You demand conformity from EVERYBODY. That’s what you’re doing, right now, defending the military in their efforts to lie and hide the war from the people. You demand that everyone support the war, or they’re “un-American,” or “treasonous.” You demand that the news channels also ignore information that you don’t want them to report. This sounds pretty far removed from the liberty you’re always crowing about. Instead, it sounds exactly like the “statists” you malign.
I guess the state isn’t as bad when it’s doing what YOU want, is it?