Study: Fox News Viewers are the Most Misinformed

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[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC are trying to demonize everything conservative and they are basically the propaganda center of the progressives. That is not how the media should work, Molnes.

Touche!

I agree, so don’t go throwing crap “studies” around because ONE SINGLE outlet is not conforming to the left side of media.[/quote]

Such as? Substantiate your claims, please. It’s easy to find instances of Fox misleading its viewers or attacking Democratic and progressive policies and politicians, you can do it all day, but I really can’t think of many cases of the other networks doing the same thing on the other side. NBC is slightly more liberal, of course, but I’m really confused by your inclusion of CNN and the rest.

“The left side of media.” What a pile of crap.[/quote]

I am not sure that NBC is more liberal , they just may be more accurate , look at the facts Some people still hold the claim that Obama is not an American . I believe deep inside their mind , they know the truth but it does not serve their purpose

[Sifu]

Of course this study is not the least bit biased. Is it? What I mean these issues that fox news viewers are supposed to be so misinformed on are not exactly set in stone. Are they?

ie What about climategate? If climate change is a fact why did the organization driving much of the hysteria around climate change have to falsify it’s data to make it appear much, much, worse than it really is? If it really is a problem why do we have carbon trading schemes set up so billionaires can get rich off the hype?

The stimulus was a resoundiung success? So where are all the jobs? Why did unemployment go up?

Obama was really born in Hawaii? I don’t remember him proving this by releasing his vault copy birth certificate which would end the controversy one way or the other. Instead Obama himself has spent millions fighting lawsuits to keep this issue unresolved. When he could easily sign a piece of paper granting access and the whole issue is resolved. wtf? His actions are those of someone who is trying to hide something but people are idiots if they find his actions suspicious.

[bigflamer]

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC are trying to demonize everything conservative and they are basically the propaganda center of the progressives. That is not how the media should work, Molnes.

Touche!

I agree, so don’t go throwing crap “studies” around because ONE SINGLE outlet is not conforming to the left side of media.[/quote]

Such as? Substantiate your claims, please. It’s easy to find instances of Fox misleading its viewers or attacking Democratic and progressive policies and politicians, you can do it all day, but I really can’t think of many cases of the other networks doing the same thing on the other side. NBC is slightly more liberal, of course, but I’m really confused by your inclusion of CNN and the rest.

“The left side of media.” What a pile of crap.[/quote]

C’mon Ryan, even a dyed in the wool ideologue like yourself would have to recognize the obvious liberal bias in the MSM. Remember when CNN felt comfortable airing insurgent video of a sniper killing a US soldier? Why do you think the insurgents sent that video to CNN? Pull your head out of the sand, and get your marxist ass out of the campus coffee house. I refuse to watch ANYTHING broadcasted on CNN to this day because of this. Fuck CNN and fuck you if you think this was acceptable.

CNN Airs Terrorist Sniper Killing American Sniper
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/75743/cnn_airs_terrorist_sniper_killing_american.html?cat=9

Some more reading for you…

Nets Fail to ID Party of Pols Arrested in NJ; CNN Misleads Its Viewers
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Liberal media bias alive and well
http://www.oaoa.com/opinion/bias-57709-media-news.html

[i]Surveys of journalists bear this out. They freely admit how liberal they and their colleagues are while denying there is a media bias at all.

That is because most journalists do not recognize the bias. For example, in the last few weeks we have seen much coverage concerning the extension of President George W. Bushâ??s tax cuts. In the deal hammered out between Republicans and President Barack Obama, there was not a single tax cut, unless you count the one-year payroll tax holiday of 2 percentage points. Though reducing the employeeâ??s contribution to Social Security for one year is not really a tax cut.

Yet, despite this reality, the major media outlets insisted on calling the proposal a tax cut bill. That is a bias. In reality, however, there were no tax cuts on the table. In fact, the proposal contained a tax increase with the reintroduction of the insidious death tax.

Calling a bill with a net tax increase a tax cut package is clearly a liberal bias.

Another example from the same debate centered on continuing the tax rate for those individuals making more than $200,000 a year. In the liberal media mindset, continuing a decade-long tax rate for those making $200,000 became a tax cut for the rich or, in the more media-leaning outlets, a tax cut for millionaires.

Heck, even labeling a person making $200,000 a year as â??richâ?? or â??wealthyâ?? is a liberal bias.
Liberal media bias is subtle and the average reader might not recognize it, but it shines like a supernova if you know what to look for.[/i]

Research Exposes Liberal Bias in Mainstream Media
http://atmizzou.missouri.edu/feb05/liberalmedia.htm

The Liberal Media: It’s No Myth
http://74.6.238.254/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=list+of+liberal+media+outlets&xa=1dXsD1IG1oqQmm5zJ62jlg--%2C1293550342&fr=yfp-t-701&rs=0&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=list+of+liberal+media+outlets&d=4587725307054843&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=c17462db,3ce3ecd&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=TdmXiLk77OXcdtTP5E.1Zw--

Many people think the mainstream media have a liberal bias. Media spokesmen, however, usually deny such claims. So who’s right? Is there a left-wing bias, or has the right wing conspired not only to influence the media but also to create a false image of unfairness? Some scientific evidence is available in a continuing study, A Measure of Media Bias , by Tim Groseclose of the University of California at Los Angeles and Jeff Milyo of the University of Chicago, presented last March at Stanford University’s Workshop on the Media & Economic Performance. These researchers set up an objective measure of bias in U.S. television networks, newspapers, and magazines. The main finding is that the liberal inclination is pronounced. Although Fox News emerges as conservative, it is not nearly as far to the right as many outlets are to the left

I could continue, but I think you get the point.

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“The media” cannot be the government watchdog or they will end up like Julian Assange.

[Rockscar]

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

Such as? Substantiate your claims, please. [/quote]

lol…just watch any minute of any of MSNBC and CNN from 3PM to 6PM. That is all I can do for you on this one.

I will say CNN is not as FAR left as MSNBC, but still a supporter of the admin.

[Ryan_P_McCarter]

Sifu wrote: ie What about climategate? If climate change is a fact why did the organization driving much of the hysteria around climate change have to falsify it’s data to make it appear much, much, worse than it really is?

“An independent report released Wednesday into the leaked “Climategate” e-mails found no evidence to question the “rigor and honesty” of scientists involved.”

'Climategate' review clears scientists of dishonesty - CNN.com

The stimulus was a resoundiung success? So where are all the jobs? Why did unemployment go up?

First of all, the question they asked pertained to whether or not the stimulus contained tax cuts, not to its efficacy.

Second, the stimulus, though undeniably effective, was less effective than it could have been, because it was too small, and because about 40% was tax cuts, which do not effectively stimulate an economy.

[Ryan_P_McCarter]

bigflamer wrote:C’mon Ryan, even a dyed in the wool ideologue like yourself would have to recognize the obvious liberal bias in the MSM.

I recognize facts, not common knowledge, or “what everybody knows.” There is little liberal bias in the media. Conservative bias is far more logical and far more well-documented.

Remember when CNN felt comfortable airing insurgent video of a sniper killing a US soldier? Why do you think the insurgents sent that video to CNN? Pull your head out of the sand, and get your marxist ass out of the campus coffee house. I refuse to watch ANYTHING broadcasted on CNN to this day because of this. Fuck CNN and fuck you if you think this was acceptable.

First of all, who gives a shit? It’s the news, and US soldiers dying in a pointless war IS news. I would even commend them for playing it, as the public needs to be reminded what is happening over there because of the infantile John Wayne mentality of the American right wing, not have it whitewashed. It’s the misinformation peddled by Fox News and similar outlets that lead deaths like this. If you’re really upset about military deaths, turn off Fox.

Second, I really don’t think it’s me who needs to pull my head out of the sand, as you seem pretty emotional over this. Get a grip. Playing the video doesn’t change the fact that he’s dead.

Third, how is this supposed to represent liberal bias? Oh right, it’s the old “the left wants American soldiers to die” meme. I guess that’s why they generally oppose wars. Wait a second…

[quote]Nets Fail to ID Party of Pols Arrested in NJ; CNN Misleads Its Viewers
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OK, good post. Not entirely scrupulous. But far from “misleading.” They should have told viewers everything, but what they did say was true, right? A far cry from Fox News which routinely reports outright lies. So try again.

That is because most journalists do not recognize the bias. For example, in the last few weeks we have seen much coverage concerning the extension of President George W. Bush�??�?�¢??s tax cuts. In the deal hammered out between Republicans and President Barack Obama, there was not a single tax cut, unless you count the one-year payroll tax holiday of 2 percentage points. Though reducing the employee�??�?�¢??s contribution to Social Security for one year is not really a tax cut.

Um, “most reporters are Democrats” does not equal “liberal bias.” What you’re engaged in is an adhominem attack, which is a logical fallacy. To show that the media is biased, you must show that it is biased, not that the offices are staffed by Democrats. They could be staffed entirely by members of the Communist Party and it would tell you nothing about the accuracy of the reporting.

Yet, despite this reality, the major media outlets insisted on calling the proposal a tax cut bill. That is a bias.

No, that is not a bias. The Bush tax cuts were just that: tax cuts. So an extension of the same bill is still a “tax cut bill.” The right simply doesn’t want to have to give Obama any credit for tax cutting, as it is counterproductive to their wishes to oppose literally everything he does.

Especially seeing as every report I’ve seen about it goes on to explain that the bill would continue the Bush-era rates, which is the exact truth, I don’t see how you can use this to make a case against “liberal bias.” All it does in reality is expose how petty the right-wing is, that they expect the media to report everything the way they want them to, or else they’re “biased.”

Calling a bill with a net tax increase a tax cut package is clearly a liberal bias.

Where’s the tax increase? The last time I checked, it added $858 billion to the deficit.

Another example from the same debate centered on continuing the tax rate for those individuals making more than $200,000 a year. In the liberal media mindset, continuing a decade-long tax rate for those making $200,000 became a tax cut for the rich or, in the more media-leaning outlets, a tax cut for millionaires.

In reality, no matter how badly you have your panties twisted over this, reducing a scheduled tax increase is a cut. The same deal done a month later would have been a cut, regardless of how you tried to spin it. No bias here. Move along.

Heck, even labeling a person making $200,000 a year as �??�?�¢??rich�??�?�¢?? or �??�?�¢??wealthy�??�?�¢?? is a liberal bias.

If you make $200,000 you are in the top ~2.5% of earners. Maybe there’s an argument to be made over whether or not that counts as “rich,” but it’s pathetic to call this a “liberal bias.”

Liberal media bias is subtle and the average reader might not recognize it, but it shines like a supernova if you know what to look for.

Yes, the average brain-intact reader would never see it! It takes a super-conservative to be able to manufa–err, recognize this insidious influence!

I could continue, but I think you get the point.

Yes, I get the point: you have none, as usual.

[Ryan_P_McCarter]

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

Such as? Substantiate your claims, please. [/quote]

lol…just watch any minute of any of MSNBC and CNN from 3PM to 6PM. That is all I can do for you on this one.

I will say CNN is not as FAR left as MSNBC, but still a supporter of the admin.

[/quote]

Haha, just like I thought. You can’t tell me how HOW they’re biased, they just are. This should tell you something.

I DO have CNN on from about 3-6 when I’m home, and I don’t see much liberal bias. I see them pretending that climate change skeptics have any sort of case. I see them pretending the Republicans have a shred of credibility left. I see them condemning Wikileaks. But I don’t see any liberal bias. And apparently, you don’t either, you just believe what your corporate overlords tell you to believe. It’s easier than thnking for yourself, I guess.

[Big_Banana]

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]farmerson12 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have always maintained faux news sucked :)[/quote]

Word. Even as a conservative minded person(probably more libertarian but you get it), Ive never been a huge fan. Both sides of the media twist the news to their liking. Fox News isnt “fair and balanced” but MSNBC are worse. They are a laughing stock of the media [/quote]

Wrong. Anyone who even attempts to compare any other network to Fox in terms of propagandizing simply doesn’t have a clue, or is a liar.

Fox News Washington managing editor Bill Sammon instructs anchors to cast doubt on climate science:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201012150004

Fox selectively edits Kerry’s speech; mocks him for not saying the things they cut out:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201012210009

Your World pushes falsehoods about Net Neutrality:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201012210033

Fox erroneously reports that census director reported directly to White House:

http://mediamatters.org/research/201012210034

Fox & Friends lambasts Senate for not passing 9/11 responders bill; ignores the fact that every single Republican voted against bringing it to the floor:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201012130016

And, of course, there’s the study mentioned by the OP.[/quote]

MediaMatters is a joke. They take everything out of context and when that doesn’t work they lie. Soro’s funded crooked organization.

[Big_Banana]

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Actually, anyone who watches one network exclusively is misinformed. That said, if you’re going to make unsubstantiated claims about multiple networks being biased against your viewpoint, chances are that you are pretty misinformed.

And when I say misinformed, I mean retarded.[/quote]

Who the hell gets news from TV anyway? I must read 100+ news sites from all over the world.

News aggregators are great.

[Big_Banana]

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

Sifu wrote: ie What about climategate? If climate change is a fact why did the organization driving much of the hysteria around climate change have to falsify it’s data to make it appear much, much, worse than it really is?

“An independent report released Wednesday into the leaked “Climategate” e-mails found no evidence to question the “rigor and honesty” of scientists involved.”

'Climategate' review clears scientists of dishonesty - CNN.com

The stimulus was a resoundiung success? So where are all the jobs? Why did unemployment go up?

First of all, the question they asked pertained to whether or not the stimulus contained tax cuts, not to its efficacy.

Second, the stimulus, though undeniably effective, was less effective than it could have been, because it was too small, and because about 40% was tax cuts, which do not effectively stimulate an economy.

[/quote]

The so called independent study was a white wash and not independent at all. The schools were in charge of the investigation and CNN is knowingly misreporting.

Blatant media bias.

[bigflamer]

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
First of all, who gives a shit? It’s the news, and US soldiers dying in a pointless war IS news. I would even commend them for playing it, as the public needs to be reminded what is happening over there because of the infantile John Wayne mentality of the American right wing, not have it whitewashed. It’s the misinformation peddled by Fox News and similar outlets that lead deaths like this. If you’re really upset about military deaths, turn off Fox.[/quote]

Who gives a shit!? You “commend” them for playing it!? Fuck you, boy. You’re a quality piece of horse shit. I realize that in war there are deaths, it’s wholly unacceptable for an American news happily showing a video of a US soldier getting shot by a sniper, so that communist dickbags like you can cheer on the insurgents. Get this, CNN DOES NOT SHOW VIDEO OF INSURGENTS GETTING KILLED BY US SOLDIERS, yet they feel like it’s their “journalistic duty” to play the propaganda video of a US soldier getting shot. Video supplied by the insurgents. I can understand you not agreeing with the war, but cheering on CNN for playing that video makes you an asshole. Do you not have family over there? Do you hate the US that much?

Second, I really don’t think it’s me who needs to pull my head out of the sand, as you seem pretty emotional over this. Get a grip. Playing the video doesn’t change the fact that he’s dead.

Jesus fucking christ, you’re an ignorant d’bag. The fact that you cannot see why I’d be angry over this is dumbfounding. Seriously. You’re right, playing the video does not change that fact, but playing the video emboldens the enemy and celebrates the actions of the enemy.

Third, how is this supposed to represent liberal bias? Oh right, it’s the old “the left wants American soldiers to die” meme. I guess that’s why they generally oppose wars. Wait a second…

See my above comments, dipshit. The insurgents sent the video to CNN because they knew that they’d play it, and CNN happily complied. Their liberal bias had never been more clear, you’re simply being willfully ignorant.

You know exactly jack shit about sacrifice, duty, commitment, honor, or any of the other qualities that our fighting men and women have. You cheer on news outlets like CNN for playing videos of US soldiers being killed, while our fighting men and women fight for your right to do so. You float through college on mommy and daddy’s money and have no idea about the real world. I got nothing else to say to you, asshole.

[CappedAndPlanIt]

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
First of all, who gives a shit? It’s the news, and US soldiers dying in a pointless war IS news. I would even commend them for playing it, as the public needs to be reminded what is happening over there because of the infantile John Wayne mentality of the American right wing, not have it whitewashed. It’s the misinformation peddled by Fox News and similar outlets that lead deaths like this. If you’re really upset about military deaths, turn off Fox.[/quote]

Who gives a shit!? You “commend” them for playing it!? Fuck you, boy. You’re a quality piece of horse shit. I realize that in war there are deaths, it’s wholly unacceptable for an American news happily showing a video of a US soldier getting shot by a sniper, so that communist dickbags like you can cheer on the insurgents. Get this, CNN DOES NOT SHOW VIDEO OF INSURGENTS GETTING KILLED BY US SOLDIERS, yet they feel like it’s their “journalistic duty” to play the propaganda video of a US soldier getting shot. Video supplied by the insurgents. I can understand you not agreeing with the war, but cheering on CNN for playing that video makes you an asshole. Do you not have family over there? Do you hate the US that much?[/quote]

Actually, people who love the US should be happy the videos are playing, because maybe if enough Americans see that stuff they’ll do what it takes to get the American soldiers the hell out of there.

Nobody is “cheering on the insurgents” or “hating the US”.

[bigflamer]

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
First of all, who gives a shit? It’s the news, and US soldiers dying in a pointless war IS news. I would even commend them for playing it, as the public needs to be reminded what is happening over there because of the infantile John Wayne mentality of the American right wing, not have it whitewashed. It’s the misinformation peddled by Fox News and similar outlets that lead deaths like this. If you’re really upset about military deaths, turn off Fox.[/quote]

Who gives a shit!? You “commend” them for playing it!? Fuck you, boy. You’re a quality piece of horse shit. I realize that in war there are deaths, it’s wholly unacceptable for an American news happily showing a video of a US soldier getting shot by a sniper, so that communist dickbags like you can cheer on the insurgents. Get this, CNN DOES NOT SHOW VIDEO OF INSURGENTS GETTING KILLED BY US SOLDIERS, yet they feel like it’s their “journalistic duty” to play the propaganda video of a US soldier getting shot. Video supplied by the insurgents. I can understand you not agreeing with the war, but cheering on CNN for playing that video makes you an asshole. Do you not have family over there? Do you hate the US that much?[/quote]

Actually, people who love the US should be happy the videos are playing, because maybe if enough Americans see that stuff they’ll do what it takes to get the American soldiers the hell out of there.

Nobody is “cheering on the insurgents” or “hating the US”. [/quote]

When you commend a news outlet for playing the enemy’s propaganda videos, you’re cheering them on. No way around that. There’s plenty of other options when it comes to influencing Americans at large that we’re in an unnecessary war. Like ryan said, news outlets are covering the war’s death toll. We know what it’s costing us, it’s not a secret. Playing that video actually supported the enemy, which is more than morally wrong, it’s treasonous.

Also, the point still stands; CNN happily plays that video, but refuses to show insurgents being killed by US soldiers. Tell me, what does that tell you?

*It should be noted that I don’t think we should be seeing soldiers or insurgents killed on tv. If the public wants to see that, they can go out and rent a good war movie.

[CappedAndPlanIt]

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
First of all, who gives a shit? It’s the news, and US soldiers dying in a pointless war IS news. I would even commend them for playing it, as the public needs to be reminded what is happening over there because of the infantile John Wayne mentality of the American right wing, not have it whitewashed. It’s the misinformation peddled by Fox News and similar outlets that lead deaths like this. If you’re really upset about military deaths, turn off Fox.[/quote]

Who gives a shit!? You “commend” them for playing it!? Fuck you, boy. You’re a quality piece of horse shit. I realize that in war there are deaths, it’s wholly unacceptable for an American news happily showing a video of a US soldier getting shot by a sniper, so that communist dickbags like you can cheer on the insurgents. Get this, CNN DOES NOT SHOW VIDEO OF INSURGENTS GETTING KILLED BY US SOLDIERS, yet they feel like it’s their “journalistic duty” to play the propaganda video of a US soldier getting shot. Video supplied by the insurgents. I can understand you not agreeing with the war, but cheering on CNN for playing that video makes you an asshole. Do you not have family over there? Do you hate the US that much?[/quote]

Actually, people who love the US should be happy the videos are playing, because maybe if enough Americans see that stuff they’ll do what it takes to get the American soldiers the hell out of there.

Nobody is “cheering on the insurgents” or “hating the US”. [/quote]

When you commend a news outlet for playing the enemy’s propaganda videos, you’re cheering them on. No way around that. There’s plenty of other options when it comes to influencing Americans at large that we’re in an unnecessary war. Like ryan said, news outlets are covering the war’s death toll. We know what it’s costing us, it’s not a secret. Playing that video actually supported the enemy, which is more than morally wrong, it’s treasonous.
[/quote]

Oh god, this shit again. No, its not “supporting the terrorists” or “treasonous”. Its not “the enemy’s propaganda videos” either. I know, you dont like seeing Americans die because you want to feel safe at home, but thats the reality of the situation. Trying to silence actual fact with “YOU’RE SUPPORTING THE ENEMY” is a cowardly move, especially when its your fucking fault the Americans are dying over there.

Yup. You support the war, you made it politically advantageous for the politicians to send them in, so its your fault when they die.

Also, the point still stands; CNN happily plays that video, but refuses to show insurgents being killed by US soldiers. Tell me, what does that tell you?

*It should be noted that I don’t think we should be seeing soldiers or insurgents killed on tv. If the public wants to see that, they can go out and rent a good war movie.

It tells me that the deaths of American soldiers are important to them and should be important to other Americans. And that showing the deaths of Iraqi civilians is just going to get idiot dicks hard about how the troops are “Doing their job!” and “so effectively fighting the war on terror!”

It matters to me, and should matter to other Americans, when American troops die in an unnecessary war. I’m really sorry it doesn’t matter enough to you for you to look at it.

[Carl2]

[quote]

Nobody is “cheering on the insurgents” or “hating the US”. [/quote]

QFT.

[ZEB]

bigflamer there are two things that you can be sure of. The first is that the media has a gigantic lean to the left and it has for quite sometime. It is reflected in many different ways. Even SNL did a skit showing how lopsided the Hillary/Obama debates were. The media found someone more liberal than Hillary and then threw her under the bus.

The second thing that you can be sure of is that all of the lefty’s will come out in droves to deny the bias. Yet, those are the same ones screaming about how much they hate Glenn Beck. They cannot see how foolish they look.

It’s like clock work man - Don’t spend a whole lot of your time on this topic. Anyone who is really tuned in knows there is a huge media bias and there has been for many years. But you’ll never get one of T Nations liberals to actually admit it.

[bigflamer]

[quote]ZEB wrote:
bigflamer there are two things that you can be sure of. The first is that the media has a gigantic lean to the left and it has for quite sometime. It is reflected in many different ways. Even SNL did a skit showing how lopsided the Hillary/Obama debates were. The media found someone more liberal than Hillary and then threw her under the bus.

The second thing that you can be sure of is that all of the lefty’s will come out in droves to deny the bias. Yet, those are the same ones screaming about how much they hate Glenn Beck. They cannot see how foolish they look.

It’s like clock work man - Don’t spend a whole lot of your time on this topic. Anyone who is really tuned in knows there is a huge media bias and there has been for many years. But you’ll never get one of T Nations liberals to actually admit it.
[/quote]

Right, and logically this makes sense. I should know better than to get into these things with little ryan and his cohorts. It’s like staring at a blue wall next to someone who insists that the wall is yellow. This kind of willful ignorance I suppose I can accept, what I will not tolerate is ignorant children “commending” CNN for playing a video of a US soldier getting sniped on national TV and passing it off as “covering the war”. A video supplied by the insurgents themselves no less. Trying to bend what CNN did into something “honorable”, is just sick, and intellectually dishonest.

Exercising your freedom of speech to oppose a war is American as hell, I get that. However when these douche bags applaud CNN for that kind of sick shit, it’s morally wrong at best, and treasonous at worst. It’s sad that they cannot see this difference. Like petulant snotty children, fingers in their ears, yelling “la la la la la la la!”

You’re right, the only way to win the argument is to walk away. LOL…I have no idea why I do this to myself

[bigflamer]

[quote]Carl_ wrote:

[quote]

Nobody is “cheering on the insurgents” or “hating the US”. [/quote]

QFT. [/quote]

Bullshit. The democratic party was quite invested, politically, in US defeat. Liberal news outlets were more than willing accomplices in assisting them to that end.

[bigflamer]

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
First of all, who gives a shit? It’s the news, and US soldiers dying in a pointless war IS news. I would even commend them for playing it, as the public needs to be reminded what is happening over there because of the infantile John Wayne mentality of the American right wing, not have it whitewashed. It’s the misinformation peddled by Fox News and similar outlets that lead deaths like this. If you’re really upset about military deaths, turn off Fox.[/quote]

Who gives a shit!? You “commend” them for playing it!? Fuck you, boy. You’re a quality piece of horse shit. I realize that in war there are deaths, it’s wholly unacceptable for an American news happily showing a video of a US soldier getting shot by a sniper, so that communist dickbags like you can cheer on the insurgents. Get this, CNN DOES NOT SHOW VIDEO OF INSURGENTS GETTING KILLED BY US SOLDIERS, yet they feel like it’s their “journalistic duty” to play the propaganda video of a US soldier getting shot. Video supplied by the insurgents. I can understand you not agreeing with the war, but cheering on CNN for playing that video makes you an asshole. Do you not have family over there? Do you hate the US that much?[/quote]

Actually, people who love the US should be happy the videos are playing, because maybe if enough Americans see that stuff they’ll do what it takes to get the American soldiers the hell out of there.

Nobody is “cheering on the insurgents” or “hating the US”. [/quote]

When you commend a news outlet for playing the enemy’s propaganda videos, you’re cheering them on. No way around that. There’s plenty of other options when it comes to influencing Americans at large that we’re in an unnecessary war. Like ryan said, news outlets are covering the war’s death toll. We know what it’s costing us, it’s not a secret. Playing that video actually supported the enemy, which is more than morally wrong, it’s treasonous.
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Oh god, this shit again. No, its not “supporting the terrorists” or “treasonous”. Its not “the enemy’s propaganda videos” either. I know, you dont like seeing Americans die because you want to feel safe at home, but thats the reality of the situation. Trying to silence actual fact with “YOU’RE SUPPORTING THE ENEMY” is a cowardly move, especially when its your fucking fault the Americans are dying over there.

Yup. You support the war, you made it politically advantageous for the politicians to send them in, so its your fault when they die.

Also, the point still stands; CNN happily plays that video, but refuses to show insurgents being killed by US soldiers. Tell me, what does that tell you?

*It should be noted that I don’t think we should be seeing soldiers or insurgents killed on tv. If the public wants to see that, they can go out and rent a good war movie.

It tells me that the deaths of American soldiers are important to them and should be important to other Americans. And that showing the deaths of Iraqi civilians is just going to get idiot dicks hard about how the troops are “Doing their job!” and “so effectively fighting the war on terror!”

It matters to me, and should matter to other Americans, when American troops die in an unnecessary war. I’m really sorry it doesn’t matter enough to you for you to look at it.[/quote]

It doesn’t matter to me!? Piss off, boy. Why don’t we skip the bullshit and get down to the nuts and bolts of this; You ever serve?