Study: Fox News Viewers are the Most Misinformed

[Ryan_P_McCarter]

bigflamer wrote:The inconsistency here is you stating that you cannot be both, then clearly trying to be both.

Haha. You ducked right under that one. In what way? What did that sentence even mean? To be clear, you must explain HOW I can be anti-war, and pro-American deaths. Go.

Good grief. Ryan, I’m far from a “cheerleader” for the war. On foreign policy I’m solidly in the camp of Ron Paul and the Libertarians. Don’t confuse my picking apart the sad arguments of the left with my “cheering” the war. That’s intellectual laziness. You’re really jumping the shark here son, as usual in our little discussions. It’s anti American to show that video, not to have a different opinion. I challenge you to show me where I’ve made this statement.

Oh really? You DON’T support the war? Pardon me, I simply assumed that since you display the typical conservative reaction of getting a boner at anything military-related, and since you’re always claiming to support FREEDOM!1, and since you tried to insult me by saying that soldiers were dying in Iraq and Afghanistan to protect my freedom to hate them, that you must logically support this “war for freedom.” (But then again, I should know better than to try to apply logic to your posts). So which is it? Do you support freedom, and thus the war? Or do you NOT support the war, and thus are selective in your support of freedom? OR, were you just talking out of your ass earlier like I suspected?

Jesus Christ you’re retarded. Here you show your complete lack of ability to understand the subject matter. You think this is about the insurgents seeing the video on CNN? WTF!?

Uh, yeah. That’s what you said.

It emboldens the enemy AT LARGE to continue fighting, to step up the attacks, to give the illusion that they are winning, to convince the enemy that there is no hope, to help in their recruitment, to…EMBOLDEN them. Get it? or do I need to get out the crayons. Google the definition of embolden, I don’t feel like doing it for you.

I think you’re really starting to realize how stupid all your posts on this forum are, and it’s beginning to embarrass and eat at you, and that’s why you’re so angry.

But to get to the point, what do you think the insurgents are? Video game baddies? They’re not stupid automatons. They know how the war is going, they don’t need to watch CNN to find out (and if it’s NOT about watching the video on CNN, then WTF are you complaining about?).

And break out the crayons? What are you talking about? You don’t even appear to know YOU are talking about, let alone understand my corrections.

And again, I have to ask, do you think that the public doesn’t know that in war the enemy is trying to kill our soldiers? Golly goo fellas!, the enemy has SNIPERS! Don’t let the public know! HIDE IT!!!

Knowing the abstract fact and graphically seeing it are two different things, and it’s hilarious to me that you have to pretend to be shit-stupid to get your argument to work.

Again, what if Fox News was showing videos of insurgents getting killed by US snipers? Would that be a good reminder that war isn’t a video game? Please answer this question.

Yes, and it doesn’t have to be Fox. I also think it would be a good idea to play any videos we have of our soldiers torturing detainees who were abducted and held illegally without being charged with anything.

This wasn’t about right wing, left wing, or otherwise. This was about right and wrong. And yes, they showed their liberal bias by showing a video supplied by the enemies of the United States, that they knew would embolden the enemy, and undermine the war efforts of a Republican president. Yes, that’s a liberal bias.

It’s a liberal bias because it hurt your feelings, and because it would bbe politically inconvenient for a Republican?! HAHA! So I guess reporting on the Monica Lewinsky affair was conservative bias, since it undermined a Democratic president, eh?

You’re reaching desperately, and I love it.

[quote]This is how I’d expect you to react, with “blah blah blah”.

Using your line of argumentation, we come to this conclusion: The MSM should start airing as much video as the military can provide of US soldiers getting in some good kills of insurgents, along with as much video as the insurgents can provide of US soldiers getting killed. This will bring reality home to the people

Is this what you believe?[/quote]

They should do it during the periods in which they are reporting on the war. They don’t necessarily need to loop old videos over and over, but if new footage features Marines getting their limbs and heads blown off, yes, the public should see this. Or don’t you believe that you should have all relevant information when making decisions?

I know, it’s probably shocking to see someone consistently support things they’ve said earlier. What a novel concept!

[Ryan_P_McCarter]

[quote]Big Banana wrote:Do some learning boy and then come back. Posting links to biased websites proves nothing.

Wrong again regarding NASA and CRU. Different data, different methodology. You really need to go back to school on this subject. [/quote]

It proves more than talking out of your ass with no accompanying documentation does. You see, in a rational debate, some evidence beats no evidence every time, so sorry, you’re losing at this point.

Furthermore, you display an unfamiliarity with logical debate, since you say that a biased website proves nothing, but then you’ve neither shown that the website is actually biased, nor that the facts it states are incorrect. Indeed, a biased website can still be correct.

So just to underscore how pathetic your response is, I’ll just post this:

What do the 'Climategate' hacked CRU emails tell us?

You may not have thought about this, but just to let you know, if your statements are factually refuted with accompanying data, it’s not the other person’s “fault.” You’re wrong, and you need to stop being a baby and acknowledge reality. It’s no shame to admit that you were wrong.

[ZEB]

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:It’s like clock work man - Don’t spend a whole lot of your time on this topic. Anyone who is really tuned in knows there is a huge media bias and there has been for many years. But you’ll never get one of T Nations liberals to actually admit it.
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HAHA! “Everyone knows.” They can never say HOW they know, but they know, and if you don’t accept their accusations made with 0 evidence, you’re obviously a moron.

[/quote]

No, you’re not a moron regardless of how many posts you begin with “HAHA”. You’ve confused using lots of words with actual truth. Yes, you like to post good for you. But you’ve proven nothing other than you’re an overbearing obnoxious little squirt.

[Alffi]

Well if people with somewhat higher intelligences are considered more informed, then I can see where this is coming from. Most professors are somewhat liberal. Well-off people with some intellectual capital tend to go to college. When in college, they get indoctrinated by their liberal professors who, being ‘experts’, get to declare what is right and wrong even if some of their politics slips in through the backdoor.

A lot of Fox news types may be lacking in formal education but they are also spared from some falsehoods instituted into technically smart but misinformed liberal types, who may also sport higher incomes and thus be spared from some realities of working class life, which speak against liberal wisdom.

[ZEB]

[quote]Alffi wrote:
Well if people with somewhat higher intelligences are considered more informed, then I can see where this is coming from. Most professors are somewhat liberal. Well-off people with some intellectual capital tend to go to college. When in college, they get indoctrinated by their liberal professors who, being ‘experts’, get to declare what is right and wrong even if some of their politics slips in through the backdoor.

A lot of Fox news types may be lacking in formal education but they are also spared from some falsehoods instituted into technically smart but misinformed liberal types, who may also sport higher incomes and thus be spared from some realities of working class life, which speak against liberal wisdom. [/quote]

Very good post. However, it’s not just the people who do not go to college that hold these beliefs. It’s the people such as myself who have a degree and who felt the indoctrination while attending college. When the real world hits you and you get to see first hand how things work you look back on many of your college professors with disgust. They understand only half the puzzle. For example, little Ryan sees only a limited amount as that is all he is capable of seeing. It’s all he’s been shown. And he’s taken that and run with it. He has plenty of zeal for his beliefs I’ll give him that much credit. But on the same token he has far more enthusiasm than he does hands on experience.

And for the life of me I don’t understand how anyone who is still in college thinks that they know more than someone who has not only graduated but has also added to that many years of real life experience. If our IQ’s are even close (and I know there is far more to intelligence than IQ, but it’s one measure) then shouldn’t the person who already did what the “student” is doing plus added 20-25 years of life experience have an advantage regarding how things work?

Granted that does not mean that I, or anyone who has such experience is always right, far from it. But it does mean that we have a good advantage in many areas.

[pittbulll]

[quote]Alffi wrote:
Well if people with somewhat higher intelligences are considered more informed, then I can see where this is coming from. Most professors are somewhat liberal. Well-off people with some intellectual capital tend to go to college. When in college, they get indoctrinated by their liberal professors who, being ‘experts’, get to declare what is right and wrong even if some of their politics slips in through the backdoor.

A lot of Fox news types may be lacking in formal education but they are also spared from some falsehoods instituted into technically smart but misinformed liberal types, who may also sport higher incomes and thus be spared from some realities of working class life, which speak against liberal wisdom. [/quote]

I personally agree with you ,the area surrounding that liberalism is taught as opposed to learned may be the only area of contention.

I believe one of the biggest areas of disinformation is the term conservative ,The Republicans are no more conservative than the Democrats.

Ron Paul is consevative.

IMO the Dems are the liberals that want to stack the deck for the poor and working class, while the Republicans want to stack the deck for the wealthy

[Carl2]

[quote]Alffi wrote:
A lot of Fox news types may be lacking in formal education but they are also spared from some falsehoods instituted into technically smart but misinformed liberal types, who may also sport higher incomes and thus be spared from some realities of working class life, which speak against liberal wisdom. [/quote]

Far right speaking for the working class, intellectuals are out of touch. I believe Europe’s gone down this road before.

We have to be careful here.

Yes, I just “Godwin-ed”…

[bigflamer]

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

bigflamer wrote:I’m not talking about “not showing war footage”, shit for brains. Cover the war, show “war footage” till the cows come home, absolutely. I’m talking about showing a propaganda video supplied by terrorists (insurgents-whatever) glorifying their killing of a US soldier.

Again, you’re trying to skew the debate. Footage of something that actually happened is not propaganda, it’s news. You’re admonishing CNN for doing their job because you don’t like what they play. The solution is for you to turn it off if you don’t like it, not to support the military in their attempt to deceive the public.[/quote]

Not skewing anything, it is what it is. Do you even know the definition of propaganda? It’s not the thing itself that makes something propaganda, it’s how the thing is used.

[i]Definition of PROPAGANDA

1capitalized : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions
2: the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one’s cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect [/i]

I should be charging you tuition.

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

bigflamer wrote:What if Fox News was playing a video supplied by a marine sniper unit glorifying a real world kill of an insurgent? What if they claimed that they were showing the video to “hammer home the realities of war”? Would you commend them also? Methinks not, junior.

OK, you’re wrong. Play all the insurgent-slaughtering footage you want. I don’t care. I’m not the one who wants to selectively report the news, you are.[/quote]

You’re getting lost here ryan, please try to keep up. One of the major issues I have with CNN’s playing of that video, is their selective reporting of “the news”. Remember, CNN will not show footage of insurgents getting killed by US soldiers, and refuses to show the grisly footage of 9/11; but they’re quite comfortable showing the ememies propaganda videos of US soldiers getting killed. To them and you, that’s “news”. Bullshit. That was not news, that was a snuff film, and you commend them for playing it.

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

bigflamer wrote:You have a serious comprehension problem that you need to work on before you enter into the real world.

Sorry, it’s not me who continues to try to muddy the waters because they have such a hard-on for the military.[/quote]

Guilty as charged. I do have an absolute love of the military, and a deep respect for our nation’s fighting men and women. Do this; next time you see a service member, go ahead and shake their hand and thank them, they deserve it.

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:And yes, when you enlist into the military, raise your right hand and swear to defend the country and the constitution with your life, you give up certain liberties and have to absolutely conform. This sort of commitment to service you know nothing about.
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That’s not what I’m talking about, jackass, and you know it. You demand conformity from EVERYBODY. That’s what you’re doing, right now, defending the military in their efforts to lie and hide the war from the people. You demand that everyone support the war, or they’re “un-American,” or “treasonous.” You demand that the news channels also ignore information that you don’t want them to report. This sounds pretty far removed from the liberty you’re always crowing about. Instead, it sounds exactly like the “statists” you malign.

I guess the state isn’t as bad when it’s doing what YOU want, is it?[/quote]

You’re so fucking stupid it’s mind boggling. I’m not asking for conformity from everybody, I’m not asking for conformity from CNN, I’m asking for discretion. What you consider “information”, is laughable. That video wasn’t “information”, it was a propaganda tool and CNN turned themselves into the publishers of the insurgent propaganda by showing it. Do you actually think that if CNN decided to not air insurgent supplied video of a US soldier getting killed, that they would be giulty of “hiding the war from the people”? That’s a very flawed piece of logic there.

I never demanded that everyone support the war, NEVER, show me the quote. You’re full of shit.

[bigflamer]

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
IMO the Dems are the liberals that want to stack the deck for the poor and working class, while the Republicans want to stack the deck for the wealthy[/quote]

No offense, but this is a very naive view. Republicans and Democrats are two hands of the same monster, feeding the same mouth.

[OTS1]

I’m going to put my 2 cents in here.

1. I am as liberal/Progressive (by current definitions) as can be. I served, honorably, in a combat arms branch. I am a patriot. My views on the particular genius of the Constitution will differ considerably from most “conservatives”. I resent the concept that one needs to tow the “Real Conservative” line to be a patriot. I would die for my country. I picked up a rifle and served. The genius of this country and its Constitution is in no small part the free exchange of political ideas. The same people who say that the only thing a “true patriot” can do today is to take down the President are the same people who while I was serving, cried that no “true patriot” could possibly attack the commander in chief during a time of war. I call shenanigans.

2. This whole concept of “objective journalism” is a farce. Every time a person writes or speaks, they are forced to make decisions as to what to include and what to omit. All reporting is subjective. The real damage is done (in my opinion) when obviously subjective material is presented as “objective”. We should give up this ghost, and liberal outlets should call themselves liberal, and conservative outlets should call themselves conservative. This is how it is done in some other parts of the world (at least in print). OR we could be even MORE honest and call ALL of the media outlets “profit driven”.

And one more thing: comparing Fox news to the Daily Show (early in thread)?!? The Daily Show is comedic fake news. They are very open about this. Same with Colbert.

[ZEB]

[quote]OTS1 wrote:

And one more thing: comparing Fox news to the Daily Show (early in thread)?!? The Daily Show is comedic fake news. They are very open about this. Same with Colbert. [/quote]

That may be the case but many young people actually get their news from the Daily show. Hence, they continually get a one sided view of the world that is from the liberal stand-point. Don’t get me wrong Stewart has the right to say whatever he likes on his show, true or false. BUt it’s become far more than a comedy show.

[jsbrook]

[quote]Rockscar wrote:
OP needs to come up with more than a “Step in every 4 months” with a comment and actually provide an argument to back the claims up.

Fox news is the only network that actually does the media job.

What is the media’s job? The answer is not “Cheerlead for the President”.[/quote]

That rings pretty hollow when the network only does that job when the President is a Democrat. So, yes, none of the mainstream networks (including Fox) do a good job reporting.

[pittbulll]

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
IMO the Dems are the liberals that want to stack the deck for the poor and working class, while the Republicans want to stack the deck for the wealthy[/quote]

No offense, but this is a very naive view. Republicans and Democrats are two hands of the same monster, feeding the same mouth.
[/quote]

No offense taken.

Think about it , tax cuts , no unemployment , balance budget

And I have not had unemployment since 1984

[OTS1]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]OTS1 wrote:

And one more thing: comparing Fox news to the Daily Show (early in thread)?!? The Daily Show is comedic fake news. They are very open about this. Same with Colbert. [/quote]

That may be the case but many young people actually get their news from the Daily show. Hence, they continually get a one sided view of the world that is from the liberal stand-point. Don’t get me wrong Stewart has the right to say whatever he likes on his show, true or false. BUt it’s become far more than a comedy show.[/quote]

If your primary source for political information is Comedy Central, then you are an idiot, no matter what your political leanings. Additionally, if you think that fake comedy news is the height of liberal/progressive/left/whatever thought, you are also an idiot.

[Ryan_P_McCarter]

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:It’s like clock work man - Don’t spend a whole lot of your time on this topic. Anyone who is really tuned in knows there is a huge media bias and there has been for many years. But you’ll never get one of T Nations liberals to actually admit it.
[/quote]

HAHA! “Everyone knows.” They can never say HOW they know, but they know, and if you don’t accept their accusations made with 0 evidence, you’re obviously a moron.

[/quote]

No, you’re not a moron regardless of how many posts you begin with “HAHA”. You’ve confused using lots of words with actual truth. Yes, you like to post good for you. But you’ve proven nothing other than you’re an overbearing obnoxious little squirt. [/quote]

Once you get around to actually showing how ANYTHING I’ve written is wrong, I’ll consider taking you seriously–until then, you can keep your dunce cap on.

[Ryan_P_McCarter]

[quote]bigflamer wrote:Not skewing anything, it is what it is. Do you even know the definition of propaganda? It’s not the thing itself that makes something propaganda, it’s how the thing is used.

[i]Definition of PROPAGANDA

1capitalized : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions
2: the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one’s cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect [/i]

I should be charging you tuition.[/quote]

But you have yet to show how this is supposed to “further the cause” of terrorists. How is playing a relevant video of a real event propagada? The burden IS on you to prove your wildass allegation. What you’re saying is telling the truth supports terrorists, and strikes right at the heart of freedom of the press, and thus, freedom.

Don’t you dare come in here talking about freedom when you’re advocating the muzzling of what little effective journalism we have left.

So once again, I desire that you actually support your argument, instead of assuming what you’re trying to prove, which is what you’re doing now. By your logic, we shouldn’t show footage of any crimes, either, since this is “propaganda” that “emboldens criminals.”

You need to buy (and read) a book on basic logic, because you honestly don’t seem to understand how it works (which is, of course, why you are a right winger).

You’re getting lost here ryan, please try to keep up. One of the major issues I have with CNN’s playing of that video, is their selective reporting of “the news”. Remember, CNN will not show footage of insurgents getting killed by US soldiers, and refuses to show the grisly footage of 9/11; but they’re quite comfortable showing the ememies propaganda videos of US soldiers getting killed. To them and you, that’s “news”. Bullshit. That was not news, that was a snuff film, and you commend them for playing it.

First of all, I watch CNN all the time. I’ve never seen footage of soldiers dying. So stop acting like you can’t turn on CNN without seeing video of soldiers getting their brains blown out. They may have played it once, or a couple of times, but they also played the 9/11 footage at least a couple of times before they decided not to play it. So the difference here is really not nearly as drastic as you make it out to be.

Second of all, don’t complain about selective reporting when you cheer it on when Fox does it. It’s quite obvious you don’t give a shit about honest reporting–you’re an ideologue with an axe to grind, and you want news that confirms what you believe.

Third, sorry, you don’t get to decide what is and is not news. When brain-dead military fetishists like you start a war and send people to die in another country, it’s news when they actually die.

Guilty as charged. I do have an absolute love of the military, and a deep respect for our nation’s fighting men and women. Do this; next time you see a service member, go ahead and shake their hand and thank them, they deserve it.

You don’t have to tell me this, I already know. All the telltale signs are there–the total disregard for any type of logical thought when the subject of the military is broached by itself is a dead giveaway.

Furthermore, thanking the members of the world’s largest terrorist organization is not something I would even consider doing. I’d just as soon shake the hand of an Al Qaeda member or former SS officer.

You’re so fucking stupid it’s mind boggling. I’m not asking for conformity from everybody, I’m not asking for conformity from CNN, I’m asking for discretion. What you consider “information”, is laughable. That video wasn’t “information”, it was a propaganda tool and CNN turned themselves into the publishers of the insurgent propaganda by showing it. Do you actually think that if CNN decided to not air insurgent supplied video of a US soldier getting killed, that they would be giulty of “hiding the war from the people”? That’s a very flawed piece of logic there.

If they did it because they thought it would “embolden the enemy,” then yes.

Here’s the bottom line: I don’t care how you have to dress it up for yourself so that your doublethink is satisfied; CNN (or any other news organization) has a right to play relevant video from a major story like the war. The Wikileaks documents have revealed to what extent the government has gone to in order to try and hide the details of this war from Americans. We don’t need news outlets shying away from showing anything that they have. We need more war information, not less.

Perhaps they should show “discretion” and only show grisly footage of our troops murdering civilians and torturing prisoners. No American deaths. Would that be satisfying to you?

It was not propaganda, no matter how bad you want it to be so that you can feel better about trying to deny someone their first amendment rights. Propaganda involves selective or misleading advertisement of certain aspects of a situation. The brutal killing of a US serviceman is not propaganda–it’s just reality, and the people need to see it.

I never demanded that everyone support the war, NEVER, show me the quote. You’re full of shit.

You are calling on a news agency to not show video that YOU PERSONALLY find offensive, and you’re accusing anyone who doesn’t agree with you of being anti-American or a terrorist sympathizer. That’s demanding conformity.

[Ryan_P_McCarter]

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
IMO the Dems are the liberals that want to stack the deck for the poor and working class, while the Republicans want to stack the deck for the wealthy[/quote]

No offense, but this is a very naive view. Republicans and Democrats are two hands of the same monster, feeding the same mouth.
[/quote]

Historically, but they’re not right now. Sides have clearly been chosen.

[Ryan_P_McCarter]

[quote]OTS1 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]OTS1 wrote:

And one more thing: comparing Fox news to the Daily Show (early in thread)?!? The Daily Show is comedic fake news. They are very open about this. Same with Colbert. [/quote]

That may be the case but many young people actually get their news from the Daily show. Hence, they continually get a one sided view of the world that is from the liberal stand-point. Don’t get me wrong Stewart has the right to say whatever he likes on his show, true or false. BUt it’s become far more than a comedy show.[/quote]

If your primary source for political information is Comedy Central, then you are an idiot, no matter what your political leanings. Additionally, if you think that fake comedy news is the height of liberal/progressive/left/whatever thought, you are also an idiot.
[/quote]

No one is saying Comedy Central should be your only or even primary information outlet, but the fact that Stewart and Colbert’s influence has grown so large is because they are doing a better job of reporting than the actual news networks. That’s why there’s a market for it.

[ZEB]

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]OTS1 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]OTS1 wrote:

And one more thing: comparing Fox news to the Daily Show (early in thread)?!? The Daily Show is comedic fake news. They are very open about this. Same with Colbert. [/quote]

That may be the case but many young people actually get their news from the Daily show. Hence, they continually get a one sided view of the world that is from the liberal stand-point. Don’t get me wrong Stewart has the right to say whatever he likes on his show, true or false. BUt it’s become far more than a comedy show.[/quote]

If your primary source for political information is Comedy Central, then you are an idiot, no matter what your political leanings. Additionally, if you think that fake comedy news is the height of liberal/progressive/left/whatever thought, you are also an idiot.
[/quote]

No one is saying Comedy Central should be your only or even primary information outlet, but the fact that Stewart and Colbert’s influence has grown so large is because they are doing a better job of reporting than the actual news networks. That’s why there’s a market for it.
[/quote]

Nice example of supply and demand you pointed out- Good example of how capitalism operates. There is hope for you yet Ryan.

[Ryan_P_McCarter]

ZEB wrote:Nice example of supply and demand you pointed out- Good example of how capitalism operates. There is hope for you yet Ryan.

Thanks for yet again demonstrating your ignorance, if anybody still had any doubts. I am a socialist exactly because I understand how capitalism works.