How did you rationalize turning to UGL? What was your age and if you were less than 25 then, would you have decided that UGL was too risky and not turned to them if you were in your thirties?
Isn’t this the essence of the brain not fully developed?
I was fifty. Suggest the OP waits until then.
Hard to blame that decision on a not fully developed frontal cortex.
I cannot see why the same argument isn’t used to raise the drinking age to 25 years old.
I hope you’re kidding. what’s the point in starting at 50 unless it’s a simple trt dose? at that age blasting gear may be even more dangerous to your bodily systems than doing it at 20. you seem like the kind of person who would have tried to dissuade Bumstead from touching anabolics cos he was too young and he went and won the Olympia at 24.
the pic is an impressive natural physique at 19 and his lifts are mightily impressive. I think the goal should be a natural show this year to see if you enjoy the process. there is a buzz to getting up on stage and if it takes you for a ride then I would commit to anabolics regardless of your age. it all depends on goals. if the op has the potential to compete at a high level, then at what point does the age question take a back burner?
What is your basis for this opinion?
mentioning organ failure and death whilst suggesting he waits until he is 50 when his prime is most certainly over.
Say I was interested in doing a cycle: what would u recommend in terms of the length of the cycle as well as hopping off the cycle to minimize long term effects (if I wanted to do a test only)
So here’s a the thing. Your T levels are already phenomenal. Guys with subpar T levels hop on Test and see a lot of body changes, you may not get what you’re looking for. That being said…
Typical first cycle would be Testosterone Enth or Testosterone Cyp which are both long esters and easy to manage. Cycle length is 10-12 weeks, the first 2-3 weeks you won’t notice much, the middle is where it really shines. Some guys get growth the whole cycle and many level off after the middle.
The amount of Test you run is up to your risk tolerance but for first timers it’s 300mg-500mg a week usually split into two injections, as in half Sunday and half Weds.
The higher dose you have the more likely you may need an aromatase inhibitor(AI) such as arimadex. Make sure you have some on hand before you start just in case.
Lastly, plan out your PCT before you start and have that on hand as well. For Test C/E you start PCT regimen 2-3 weeks after your last injection and run if for 4-6 weeks. PCT is a SERm such as Nolvadex or Clomid daily. HCG may also be beneficial during the period between your last T shot and your PCT but not during the actual PCT.
I should inform that it’s possible you won’t retain any of your gains from one cycle. Some guys struggle with PCT. You go from an anabolic state to a catabolic one quickly and you will lose some of your new mass. It’s a two step forward one step back game unless your running TRT levels of Test between cycles or hopping back on gear frequently.
Hope that helps!
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I mentioned the downsides of using gear as examples of negative consequences that an undeveloped pre-frontal cortex may not be able to appropriately consider. Bumstead is an N of one, and currently thirty years old. The jury is still out on him.
Do I need to point out the many others that would have benefitted from waiting?
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How much protein (grams) are you eating a day?
What are the sources?
okay the jury may be out on him for the longer term consequences but you can look to Arnold or Lee Priest who most certainly started too young in your opinion. my point is that if you want to compete at a high level, there isn’t time to wait around like you suggest.
Time is limited. The longer you wait to “behinder” you get, even if you should get as much natural gains as you can before adding in AAS.
IMO, you max out your natural gains at around 30 years old. Now time has left you behind. Why bother NOW?
Here are twenty eight bodybuilders that passed away in the three years between 2017-2020. They are not all bodybuilding related deaths. It is by no means a complete list.
I wonder how many 20 year olds died in those 3 years? It is an individual to individual case. do you seriously think the op running 500mg test e per week will kill him?
why bother from 30 years onwards? as you said your natural potential is maxed out, your hormones will decline, I’d suggest supplementation, but not waiting until you are 50.
I was referring to competitive Bodybuilding at a national level.
Apart from that, I don’t care when anyone decides to try AAS. Have at it.
well because most Olympians win in their 30s
I don’t follow many Olympic events, but some are most definitely much younger.
I don’t know why you are arguing your stand in a thread started by a 1%er, by anyone’s standard. His question is about HIS timing to starting AAS, not the general gym rat.
I try to keep my comments with the OP in mind. He is most definitely blessed with phenomenal genetics. Why clutter his thread with suggestions for Joe average thoughts and opinions?
Bluff.
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once you believe you can accomplish greater things, you will be able to hit the 300s in bench and 500s in ur lower lifts