Hi there,
I’m a 19yo interested in taking a 500mg/week test cycle. I’m 5’11, 185lbs, 12%bf with a 365 bench, 565 squat, and 545 deadlift (all in comp). When inquiring about exogenous test cycles, people always comment “don’t do it pre-25, it fucks up your brain.” Are there any studies that specifically mention how these “fuck ups” were identified or what specifically the changes are? Thank you in advance.
Just the fact that you are asking us to research for you shows your maturity.
Google effects of anabolic steroids on the teenage brain
Google effects of steroids on developing brains
Google effects of steroids on human development
Google effects of steroids on male hormones development
Have fun reading countless articles and studies.
Very nice lifts. Can you post a faceless pic?
Why mess with something this good by adding steroids too young? You’re only 19 and if you’re truthful about the stats you could be a serious contender on a national level I would think. Stay natty my friend. At least for now.
National record holder for bench squat and total in my country, would only be interested mens physique but competition prep is disincentivizing me. don’t see a future in any lifting sport and only want to get bigger and stronger as I’ve been stuck here for a year
Lol googled and they are all either not specific to testosterone, do not label the specific mechanisms and are highly variable with low validity for determining causation, or talk about the issues of “aggression” and libido which are known to stop after you off cycle even when taking in adolescence
Solid base my man. @s.gentz @RT_Nomad have both competed whereas I have not. I tried prepping once but bailed as it can be brutal and my heart didn’t really desire the stage.
The ONLY reason I would think to start young is if you desired the stage. In that scenario I’d enter a tested drug free show first to see if you like the lifestyle and then, if so, let her rip.
Honestly Bro with your current physique and your lifts I think you are on a great path without drugs at least for quite a few years.
What does your current training look like? You have great lifts. Are you chasing numbers? Are you training low rep? If your stuck maybe changing up training can relight the fuse. Also as you become more seasoned you will not put on or gain as much yearly as a newbie will with drugs or with no drugs.
If you think you wanted to compete in a physique comp your not really that far off.
You could prob be ready in 6-8 weeks without a crazy amount of effort.
You def have good genetics. Ride that out. The more work you can do prior to starting drugs the better you will do when taking them.
100%. I gotta say this guy is probably the only recent poster I’d say is at least ready physique wise. The age still concerns me and here’s why, most guys this age are gonna do it anyway because they can’t contemplate long term, only the now.
Above aside, @Andytyzhu if you have any legit questions or guidance about use I will answer them without the “don’t do it” BS as I would rather see you do it right IF you have the “I’m doing it anyway “ mindset. I still think you should wait before screwing up your hormones as you’re gifted naturally. Cycle/PCT is kinda bullshit so to be truly effective you’d have to either cycle frequently or run a TRT baseline between which again can mess you up mentally, fertility wise, and physically long term.
Adding to the above quote that you are only 19 years old, I believe a conversation is needed more than a comment. You have great genetics.
Help us understand why you slowed in progress this last year. How many years have you been lifting weights?
Take your bench press. Tell us how old (years and months) you were when you were able to bench press
I am trying to see your rate of progression.
Also, before you began lifting weights could you see that you were much stronger than your peers?
Have done low rep primarily but recently changed to higher volume. Am mainly chasing the numbers but focused on maintaining comp form and include some accessories because a good physique is always a plus
Was always much skinnier than all my peers, hit 135 about 3-6 months in, 225 6-12 months in, 275 around 2 years in, 315 2.5 years in and 365 3.5 years in
My guess is that you are blessed with high density of androgen receptor sites. Once you started stimulating your muscles, your nature testosterone is highly efficiently applied to muscle growth.
Your initial strength gains were steady and strong. You exceeded many weight trained men’s life long goal when you were 18 years old.
How long have you plateaued at 365lbs on your bench press? Let’s look into a strategy to push past this plateau through diet and training before you turn to AAS.
As to no AAS prior to turning 25 years old to allow your brain to mature effectively, I don’t give that position much credibility. I started taking AAS at 22 years old. I have always been a math geek my entire life. I don’t know what part of my brain was stunted by taking AAS too early, but no one who knows me questions my IQ.
Another thing: How do you conduct a double-blind study in order to make the study look valid? Bottomline: I have no idea at what age taking AAS no longer stunts brain development, if it does at all. Does no one ask if super high natural testosterone stunts brain development. Maybe testosterone suppression is clinically indicated for those males.
Did bloodwork as well and scored 1200 on total and 120 for free which are above and in the high range for that specific company’s test, so thats what always made me question the effect of exo test because I’m doing well in school and socially. I’ve been stuck at 365 for 6-9 months now so my biggest plateau. Made the switch over to lower rpe higher volume about 4 weeks ago and will see if it is beneficial at all. Looking to slowly add about 5-10lbs of mass over the next 3-6months as well
Thanks for the feedback, will probably go for 4 plates natural then at the very least because its in sight and reconsider my stance there
Is that with support gear or raw?
Also, were your record lifts raw?
For bench I use nothing, squat only belt and knee sleeves, and deadlift only belt, yes record lifts were raw under national ipf division
Use some caution and be alert to possible pec ruptures. From my experiences pec ruptures greatly increase in likelihood when benching over 400lbs.
The last part of the brain to form is the pre-frontal cortex (so I have heard) and it is not fully formed until you are twenty five (generally), or later. This is what is called executive function, judgement, impulse control. Everyone’s mileage varies.
The issue, as I see it, is until that cortex is fully formed, it is difficult to make informed decisions. You are more likely to seek immediate gratification without concern for long term consequences (infertility, complete endogenous shut down, health permanent organ damage) because your brain cannot process those consequences when the part of the brain that does that processing is not formed.
If that “science” is true, I can make a valid case for 25 years old as the minimum age for entry into college.
Yes, you are correct. However, 17 year olds usually get assistance from their parents, teachers and guidance counselors for educational choices. Those teachers and guidance counselors are highly educated professionals advising and mentoring in their field of study.
OP is on the webz asking gym bros for advice on the use of controlled substances.
A little different than deciding to matriculate at an institution of higher leaning methinks.
I should have added that in addition to the consequences mentioned above, OP would likely be forced to purchase UGL from the black market with unsavory characters and thew risk of arrest for importing or trafficking, or could homebrew and face a manufacturing and distribution charge, would be injecting questionable pharmaceuticals IM with the potential for contamination and infection, organ failure and death.
What are the downsides to college?
I say this as someone who has purchased UGL and cycled. And has gone to college. And graduate school.
