Strong Words

Yowser,

“Coulter has become increasingly mainstream–positioning herself very successfully as voice of the Right.”

Nosense. She was fired from the National Review - perhaps the leading journal of conservative opinion. If you’re going to claim she is ‘positioning’ herself as the voice of the Right, you’re gonna have to prove it - elected Republicans don’t cite her as a hero.

“In fact, not only is the line between Coulter and Rice becoming blurred, but no intellectuals on the Right have the balls to do anything about it.”

The line between Rice and Coulter? What line? The fact that they both made it on to some calendar for sale on the web? You’re spewing nonsense here.

“Try this: change Arabs to Jews in Coulter’s quote and then try it out. Just pushing buttons? Just entertainment? Just harmless fun? Change it to Africans. Keep going.”

I never suggested that Coulter’s comments were acceptable. But you miss the obvious point - she’s trying to get folks riled up using the exact language you’re talking about. She doesn’t cloak her commentary - she shoots from the hip. It’s controversial, it sells books. Is she offensive? Certainly. So is Moore and Al Franken.

Next question.

“Coulter is an example of how too many on the Right in America reward hate speech. That’s right: hate speech. Pure and simple. But you won’t face that. What are you really ashamed of or afraid of? Tell me.”

Take a Ritalin. You’re losing focus. Coulter’s speech is hateful - I never endorsed what she said. As far as being ‘ashamed’ or ‘afraid’ - this is just jibberish concocted to take my eye off the ball.

My original point was that polemicists on both sides of the aisle blather all sorts of hateful things. And don’t be a fool - some of the epithets slung at Bush prior to the election were embarassing - but the authors are just trying to be the Howard Sterns of politics to make money.

“His Bowling for Columbine was taken seriously.”

By his sycophants and Hollywood - independents fisked his factual and contextual errors.

“F-911 established him as a grandiose goof who doesn’t know his own BS from reality. His pre-election Slacker tour: a total bust. So where are these worshippers and admirers?”

How about Terry McAuliffe, former DNC chairman, sitting through the premier of F-9/11 only to state afterwards “I think anyone who goes to see this movie will come out en masse and vote for John Kerry…clearly the movie makes it clear that George Bush is not fit to be president of this country.” Moreover, just look at the amount of money this mythodrama grossed. Trust me, independent undecided voters were not buying tickets - it was a partisan affair.

Then, of course, Moore gets to sit next to Jimmy Carter at the Democratic National Convention. When they showed him on the big screen, the folks on the floor applauded.

Anything else?

“Coulter consistently writes checks to be cashed on behalf of the USA against what she imagines are the enimies of conservatism.”

Coulter can say ‘we’ or ‘us’ till she pukes - she is a writer. She is not an agent of the government, nor any official serving in any department. She is not an elected servant, nor a representative of her country in any official capacity. She is a private citizen, the same as Noam Chomsky or Maureen Dowd, who invoke ‘we’ in listing what ‘crimes’ ‘we’ have committed across the globe.

So, thanks to the First Amendment privilege of free speech, she can whatever the hell she likes. But you’ll notice, Coulter has no power, no influence, no box seats next to George H. W. Bush.

Coulter isn’t writing ‘checks’ - she doesn’t have access to the ‘checkbook’.

“Moore is not the same–he’s always offering *his viewpoint, flawed as it obviously is. No imperial “we” and “our” in Moore.”

Such a flimsy apology.

“Face it: Coulter is political porn for conservatives but porn is now mainsteam.”

I’m sure she is somebody’s guilty pleasure - she sells a bunch of books - but I don’t read anything she writes, nor do I care.

“Don’t Peewee Herman it: owe up to your guilty pleasures. After all, when you’ve been whacking off in public for all to see, no point in blaming it on a non-existent liberal media.”

Although I do enjoy folks talking big behind the perceived invincibility of internet anonymity, it’s clear you brought a knife to a gunfight.

Coulter is part and parcel of the pop culture phenomenon, the same wall of noise we get from Hollywood, MTV, and bad literature. In fact, Coulter makes for good reading for kids who want to rebel against their parents - I know a lot of youngsters who have the natural urge to thumb their nose at their parents, and since their parents are liberal Lefties from the 60’s, their version of rock and roll is liking Reagan.

As is, your silly commentary notwithstanding, the original point remains intact - Coulter belongs to that class of political Howard Sterns who sell trash to the half-educated. The main difference is that Coulter remains at arm’s length on the fringe and does not impact national politics.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Yowser -

You, my friend, are certifiable.

By whose standard is Condi and Ms. Coulter indistinguishable from one another?

Who are young conservative women supposed to emulate? Helen Gurly Brown? The NOW Gang? Dikes on Bikes?

You are an idiot.[/quote]

Yo. Thanks for the reply.

I think Condi and Coutler are two very different individuals. Condi, with very strong respectable credentials; Coulter, absolutely not.

Is Condi a role model for young conservative women? Why limit it to young conservatives? And why limit it even to young people. Condi has achievements that anyone can respect and admire.

Who equates her with Ann Coulter? Well, dude, I gave you the refs. But who else?

When I go to gun shows, and maybe all the people there are also certifable and/or idiots, I discover a very strong Ann Coulter fan base. Some who think she shoud be the next President of the NRA. Some who admire her background in law. To them, she’s just another successful conserative intellectual.

(Btw, I endorse fully both the 1st and 2nd amendment).

Back to my comment about hate speech. You won’t see it for what it is. When people outside the USA say it about us, I recognise it. But when people inside the USA, claiming to speak for all Christians and Americans, talk absolute trash what do you do?

Talk about dikes on bikes. Gee, that’s strong. That’s conservatism. That’s moral values.

Now imagine what it would be like if you had more balls. You wouldn’t say “gee whiz, what a personality that Ann Coulter is.” You’d say: that’s not Christianity, that’s not conservatism, and this women has not right to be pretending to speak for anyone but herself.

Instead, what do you do? Let it slide. So we have Ann Coulter and Condi Rice being “role models.” Well, one of them is.

What do we have? This woman talking mad trash for big dollars in name of conservatism and Christianity, and just about no one on the Right with balls to confront her.

In this regard, more credit to the Left–you can find any number of articles on Micheal Moore as ill-informed, self-aggrandizing goofball.

You want to put Michael Moore and Ann Coulter in the same class? Fine with me. No problem whatsoever.

What’s needed: someone who is an established conservative and/or Christian with the moral courage to speak up.

Yowser,

Did you read Thunderbolt’s response to you?

If you did, look down, that’s your ass being handed to you.

Keep up the Thunder!!!

JeffR

[quote]Yowser wrote:

Yo. Thanks for the reply.

I think Condi and Coutler are two very different individuals. Condi, with very strong respectable credentials; Coulter, absolutely not.

Is Condi a role model for young conservative women? Why limit it to young conservatives? And why limit it even to young people. Condi has achievements that anyone can respect and admire.

Who equates her with Ann Coulter? Well, dude, I gave you the refs. But who else? [/quote]

Dude, you linked to an ad for a CALENDAR. A CALENDAR. One that included Dr. Laura, Dr. Rice and Ann Coulter, among others. Do you really think they were making an intellectual case for their equivalence?

[quote]Yowser wrote:
When I go to gun shows, and maybe all the people there are also certifable and/or idiots, I discover a very strong Ann Coulter fan base. Some who think she shoud be the next President of the NRA. Some who admire her background in law. To them, she’s just another successful conserative intellectual.

(Btw, I endorse fully both the 1st and 2nd amendment). [/quote]

So you’re maintaining Ann Coulter has a fan base? And some of those folks are conservatives? And this becomes a mainstream-conservative-movement endorsement of Ann Coulter how?

I’m sure there is a significant number of posters on the Democratic Underground boards who would endorse those wacky conspiracy theories JustTheFacts likes to post on, but that hardly amounts to a mainstream liberal endorsement of them. Same logic.

[quote]Yowser wrote:
Back to my comment about hate speech. You won’t see it for what it is. When people outside the USA say it about us, I recognise it. But when people inside the USA, claiming to speak for all Christians and Americans, talk absolute trash what do you do?

Talk about dikes on bikes. Gee, that’s strong. That’s conservatism. That’s moral values.

Now imagine what it would be like if you had more balls. You wouldn’t say “gee whiz, what a personality that Ann Coulter is.” You’d say: that’s not Christianity, that’s not conservatism, and this women has not right to be pretending to speak for anyone but herself. [/quote]

Umm, isn’t that what everyone was saying above until you jumped in with your “precisely wrong” rant?

[quote]Yowser wrote:
Instead, what do you do? Let it slide. So we have Ann Coulter and Condi Rice being “role models.” Well, one of them is.

What do we have? This woman talking mad trash for big dollars in name of conservatism and Christianity, and just about no one on the Right with balls to confront her. [/quote]

Did you even read what Thunderbolt23 wrote, twice, above? Coulter was fired by The National Review. Find another mainstream conservative publication that carries her articles on a regular basis?

The mainstream of the conservative movement is ignoring Coulter, because they know she’s just marketing. There has got to be a certain percentage of the population that is annoyed enough with the Left to give Coulter an audience and fund her site and business – she sells books, appears on interviews, etc. To follow back on to our previous analogy, this is the right-wing equivalent to the Michael Moore audience.

Except that Coulter was never offered a seat in the box of an ex-President at the Republican National Convention, nor have various elected Republican officials nor the head of the RNC spoken favorably of her writings/products. On the other side of the coin, Michael Moore has enjoyed those perks from the Democratic Party – as mainstream as you can get on the left-of-center.

[quote]Yowser wrote:
In this regard, more credit to the Left–you can find any number of articles on Micheal Moore as ill-informed, self-aggrandizing goofball. [/quote]

Good for those authors. What about the actual Democratic Party?

[quote]Yowser wrote:
You want to put Michael Moore and Ann Coulter in the same class? Fine with me. No problem whatsoever.

What’s needed: someone who is an established conservative and/or Christian with the moral courage to speak up. [/quote]

Mostly they ignore her. Too bad the Democrats embraced their extremist wing.

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BTW, in all this outrage over Coulter’s comments, perhaps one should notice that they are obviously meant as a play on the statements/aims of the jihadists w/r/t the non-Islamic countries of the world.

BB

Thank You. that is what had me laughing over the liberal outcry over this statement. Islam was spread by conquest. If the Chrisitans had of invaded the Arab lands they would be praying to Jesus instead of Allah.

It’s a play on history and how religion was spread in those days.