[quote]browndisaster wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]ElevenMag wrote:
If your not thinking about shape with size from the gate you doomed to develop what will amount to a so-so physique once you reach the upper levels of your development. Steve reeves book gives a comprehensive plan that etches that into the mind.
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By far the single most retarded criticism of Starting Strength, and it is spewed over and over. You expect someone to believe that 4 months (which IMO is the maximum SS should be ran…it is NOT a program for the long haul as some construct their strawmen to make it out to be) of not hammering the “bent over deltoid flybacks with a rest pause technique 1-0-4-2 tempo cluster sets” will really result in a “so-so physique” YEARS down the line? Really? REALLLY!!!
Hot damn–its a wonder anyone that isn’t focused on their deltoid caps and ham/quad symmetry coming out of the womb has any sort of shot whatsoever at having an ‘aesthetically pleasing physique’…better make sure they focus on that before, you know, learning to crawl or talk.
Lending stock in that asinine notion is the most ridiculous thing I could possibly think of.
What is so controversial about someone saying to build up your primary muscle groups first, then focus on the details (if you choose to do so)? [/quote]
bro wtf
clearly the people on this site who are bodybuilding purely are building great physiques in a 4 month span and never gained fat doing so[/quote]
Even funnier how few of them:
a) Have pictures of themselves to show off their progress
b) Have any progress to show
It really cracks me up when guys try to justify their hate of SS (and hard-ons for parlor trick specialty exercises & variations) under the guise of “it will make me look more like a bodybuilder instead of like an athlete/linebacker/huge guy/etc”…like they are about to step up on stage in the next 6 months (or ever) or something. Then you throw up a picture of Vernon Davis or AP and they go from 6 to midnight.
There isn’t a lot of things I find fruitier than guys talking about their “aethetically pleasing physiques”, especially ones that don’t really even look like they lift.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]ElevenMag wrote:
If your not thinking about shape with size from the gate you doomed to develop what will amount to a so-so physique once you reach the upper levels of your development. Steve reeves book gives a comprehensive plan that etches that into the mind.
[/quote]
By far the single most retarded criticism of Starting Strength, and it is spewed over and over. You expect someone to believe that 4 months (which IMO is the maximum SS should be ran…it is NOT a program for the long haul as some construct their strawmen to make it out to be) of not hammering the “bent over deltoid flybacks with a rest pause technique 1-0-4-2 tempo cluster sets” will really result in a “so-so physique” YEARS down the line? Really? REALLLY!!!
Hot damn–its a wonder anyone that isn’t focused on their deltoid caps and ham/quad symmetry coming out of the womb has any sort of shot whatsoever at having an ‘aesthetically pleasing physique’…better make sure they focus on that before, you know, learning to crawl or talk.
Lending stock in that asinine notion is the most ridiculous thing I could possibly think of.
What is so controversial about someone saying to build up your primary muscle groups first, then focus on the details (if you choose to do so)? [/quote]
bro wtf
clearly the people on this site who are bodybuilding purely are building great physiques in a 4 month span and never gained fat doing so[/quote]
Even funnier how few of them:
a) Have pictures of themselves to show off their progress
b) Have any progress to show
It really cracks me up when guys try to justify their hate of SS (and hard-ons for parlor trick specialty exercises & variations) under the guise of “it will make me look more like a bodybuilder instead of like an athlete/linebacker/huge guy/etc”…like they are about to step up on stage in the next 6 months (or ever) or something. Then you throw up a picture of Vernon Davis or AP and they go from 6 to midnight.
There isn’t a lot of things I find fruitier than guys talking about their “aethetically pleasing physiques”, especially ones that don’t really even look like they lift.[/quote]
Fruitier = banana hammock
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]ElevenMag wrote:
If your not thinking about shape with size from the gate you doomed to develop what will amount to a so-so physique once you reach the upper levels of your development. Steve reeves book gives a comprehensive plan that etches that into the mind.
[/quote]
By far the single most retarded criticism of Starting Strength, and it is spewed over and over. You expect someone to believe that 4 months (which IMO is the maximum SS should be ran…it is NOT a program for the long haul as some construct their strawmen to make it out to be) of not hammering the “bent over deltoid flybacks with a rest pause technique 1-0-4-2 tempo cluster sets” will really result in a “so-so physique” YEARS down the line? Really? REALLLY!!!
Hot damn–its a wonder anyone that isn’t focused on their deltoid caps and ham/quad symmetry coming out of the womb has any sort of shot whatsoever at having an ‘aesthetically pleasing physique’…better make sure they focus on that before, you know, learning to crawl or talk.
Lending stock in that asinine notion is the most ridiculous thing I could possibly think of.
What is so controversial about someone saying to build up your primary muscle groups first, then focus on the details (if you choose to do so)? [/quote]
bro wtf
clearly the people on this site who are bodybuilding purely are building great physiques in a 4 month span and never gained fat doing so[/quote]
Even funnier how few of them:
a) Have pictures of themselves to show off their progress
b) Have any progress to show
It really cracks me up when guys try to justify their hate of SS (and hard-ons for parlor trick specialty exercises & variations) under the guise of “it will make me look more like a bodybuilder instead of like an athlete/linebacker/huge guy/etc”…like they are about to step up on stage in the next 6 months (or ever) or something. Then you throw up a picture of Vernon Davis or AP and they go from 6 to midnight.
There isn’t a lot of things I find fruitier than guys talking about their “aethetically pleasing physiques”, especially ones that don’t really even look like they lift.[/quote]
i shit you not majority of people i see come off starting strength look no different and some look even worse then when they started. “hard-ons for parlor trick specialty exercises & variations” what is meant by that. do you mean people that train all muscle groups directly and dont rely on just the main lifts to make progress.
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
i shit you not majority of people i see come off starting strength look no different and some look even worse then when they started. [/quote]
So you’re saying that after 4-6 months after an untrained individual starts squatting, benching, deadlifting, OHP’ing, and power cleaning, as well as eating 4 big meals a day, they look absolutely no different? Interesting hypothesis. I would like to see your evidence because it flies in the face of common sense.
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“hard-ons for parlor trick specialty exercises & variations” what is meant by that. do you mean people that train all muscle groups directly and dont rely on just the main lifts to make progress.[/quote]
I’m talking about doing 20 different row variations, on top of 8 different curl variations, to make sure the superspinatisanteriorvastuslateralisouterhead muscle really pops.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
i shit you not majority of people i see come off starting strength look no different and some look even worse then when they started. [/quote]
So you’re saying that after 4-6 months after an untrained individual starts squatting, benching, deadlifting, OHP’ing, and power cleaning, as well as eating 4 big meals a day, they look absolutely no different? Interesting hypothesis. I would like to see your evidence because it flies in the face of common sense.
[quote]
“hard-ons for parlor trick specialty exercises & variations” what is meant by that. do you mean people that train all muscle groups directly and dont rely on just the main lifts to make progress.[/quote]
I’m talking about doing 20 different row variations, on top of 8 different curl variations, to make sure the superspinatisanteriorvastuslateralisouterhead muscle really pops. [/quote]
the only people that make much of a change on starting strength are underweight to being with, the rest just look fatter than before.
why do people go to such extremes either your on starting strength or your doing a 8 row variations. i agree simpler is better for beginers, but SS is over simplistic for someone with bodybuilding goals. no direct arm work, no rowing movements, no calf work, lack of volume. a beginer would be much better of on a basic upper/loweror fullbody that wasnt designed for an athlete.
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
the only people that make much of a change on starting strength are underweight to being with, the rest just look fatter than before.
[/quote]
LOL
another 5 star post from Ryan
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
the only people that make much of a change on starting strength are underweight to being with, the rest just look fatter than before.
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LOL
another 5 star post from Ryan[/quote]
do you honestly add anything of any use to threads or just post shit like that? what is the problem you seem to have with my post
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
what is the problem you seem to have with my post[/quote]
it was retarded.
you are one of the worst posters on this site just now
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
what is the problem you seem to have with my post[/quote]
it was retarded.
you are one of the worst posters on this site just now[/quote]
Awww someones butt hurt, I’ll try and stop embarrassing you. Honestly have you seen someone not anorexic make decent physique changes on SS, you will be hard pressed to find one. So kindly Go fuck ur self.
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
what is the problem you seem to have with my post[/quote]
it was retarded.
you are one of the worst posters on this site just now[/quote]
Awww someones butt hurt, I’ll try and stop embarrassing you. Honestly have you seen someone not anorexic make decent physique changes on SS, you will be hard pressed to find one. So kindly Go fuck ur self. [/quote]
So you’re saying that big compound movements shouldn’t be the focus of a beginning bodybuilder, and really just make people fat? You are also claiming that even though a guy gets a shitload stronger performing these movements, it will not help him one iota when he begins to focus on building an “aesthetically pleasing (LOL)” physique?
So you mean to tell me that a guy that has built his squat up to 315 for 3x5, will be WORSE off when he starts performing more work in the “bodybuilding range” of 8-12 reps with say, 275 on his back, as opposed to the guy squatting 165 for 8-12?
A guy that has built his deadlift up to 350, will be unable to illicit MORE back development from exercises that have carryover from the deadlift, such as rows, when he is doing those exercises HEAVIER than the guy that has been doing Arnold’s body part split for the past 4 months?
We are talking FOUR FUCKING MONTHS here to build a base of strength that will have very real carryover to performing your precious parlor trick bodybuilding movements. If you don’t think the guy that has built up his GPP to handle heavier weights when he starts doing those movements will have better results than a guy that cant, well then I don’t know what to tell you.
I couldn’t help but notice you don’t seem to have any pictures of your physique on this site. You clearly know the best path for beginners to take, so do you mind if I see a picture to possibly sway my opinion?
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
what is the problem you seem to have with my post[/quote]
it was retarded.
you are one of the worst posters on this site just now[/quote]
Awww someones butt hurt, I’ll try and stop embarrassing you. Honestly have you seen someone not anorexic make decent physique changes on SS, you will be hard pressed to find one. So kindly Go fuck ur self. [/quote]
So you’re saying that big compound movements shouldn’t be the focus of a beginning bodybuilder, and really just make people fat? You are also claiming that even though a guy gets a shitload stronger performing these movements, it will not help him one iota when he begins to focus on building an “aesthetically pleasing (LOL)” physique?
So you mean to tell me that a guy that has built his squat up to 315 for 3x5, will be WORSE off when he starts performing more work in the “bodybuilding range” of 8-12 reps with say, 275 on his back, as opposed to the guy squatting 165 for 8-12?
A guy that has built his deadlift up to 350, will be unable to illicit MORE back development from exercises that have carryover from the deadlift, such as rows, when he is doing those exercises HEAVIER than the guy that has been doing Arnold’s body part split for the past 4 months?
We are talking FOUR FUCKING MONTHS here to build a base of strength that will have very real carryover to performing your precious parlor trick bodybuilding movements. If you don’t think the guy that has built up his GPP to handle heavier weights when he starts doing those movements will have better results than a guy that cant, well then I don’t know what to tell you.
I couldn’t help but notice you don’t seem to have any pictures of your physique on this site. You clearly know the best path for beginners to take, so do you mind if I see a picture to possibly sway my opinion?
[/quote]
Nevermind, I just checked your hub. 5’9 154 pounds and 18 years old. I’m not trying to be mean here, but that explains it ALL. Have fun spinning your wheels with the pink dumbbells for the next 5 years.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]ElevenMag wrote:
If your not thinking about shape with size from the gate you doomed to develop what will amount to a so-so physique once you reach the upper levels of your development. Steve reeves book gives a comprehensive plan that etches that into the mind.
[/quote]
By far the single most retarded criticism of Starting Strength, and it is spewed over and over. You expect someone to believe that 4 months (which IMO is the maximum SS should be ran…it is NOT a program for the long haul as some construct their strawmen to make it out to be) of not hammering the “bent over deltoid flybacks with a rest pause technique 1-0-4-2 tempo cluster sets” will really result in a “so-so physique” YEARS down the line? Really? REALLLY!!!
Hot damn–its a wonder anyone that isn’t focused on their deltoid caps and ham/quad symmetry coming out of the womb has any sort of shot whatsoever at having an ‘aesthetically pleasing physique’…better make sure they focus on that before, you know, learning to crawl or talk.
Lending stock in that asinine notion is the most ridiculous thing I could possibly think of.
What is so controversial about someone saying to build up your primary muscle groups first, then focus on the details (if you choose to do so)? [/quote]
bro wtf
clearly the people on this site who are bodybuilding purely are building great physiques in a 4 month span and never gained fat doing so[/quote]
Even funnier how few of them:
a) Have pictures of themselves to show off their progress
b) Have any progress to show
It really cracks me up when guys try to justify their hate of SS (and hard-ons for parlor trick specialty exercises & variations) under the guise of “it will make me look more like a bodybuilder instead of like an athlete/linebacker/huge guy/etc”…like they are about to step up on stage in the next 6 months (or ever) or something. Then you throw up a picture of Vernon Davis or AP and they go from 6 to midnight.
There isn’t a lot of things I find fruitier than guys talking about their “aethetically pleasing physiques”, especially ones that don’t really even look like they lift.[/quote]
Dude, you REALLY have it out for gay people.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
what is the problem you seem to have with my post[/quote]
it was retarded.
you are one of the worst posters on this site just now[/quote]
Awww someones butt hurt, I’ll try and stop embarrassing you. Honestly have you seen someone not anorexic make decent physique changes on SS, you will be hard pressed to find one. So kindly Go fuck ur self. [/quote]
So you’re saying that big compound movements shouldn’t be the focus of a beginning bodybuilder, and really just make people fat? You are also claiming that even though a guy gets a shitload stronger performing these movements, it will not help him one iota when he begins to focus on building an “aesthetically pleasing (LOL)” physique?
So you mean to tell me that a guy that has built his squat up to 315 for 3x5, will be WORSE off when he starts performing more work in the “bodybuilding range” of 8-12 reps with say, 275 on his back, as opposed to the guy squatting 165 for 8-12?
A guy that has built his deadlift up to 350, will be unable to illicit MORE back development from exercises that have carryover from the deadlift, such as rows, when he is doing those exercises HEAVIER than the guy that has been doing Arnold’s body part split for the past 4 months?
We are talking FOUR FUCKING MONTHS here to build a base of strength that will have very real carryover to performing your precious parlor trick bodybuilding movements. If you don’t think the guy that has built up his GPP to handle heavier weights when he starts doing those movements will have better results than a guy that cant, well then I don’t know what to tell you.
I couldn’t help but notice you don’t seem to have any pictures of your physique on this site. You clearly know the best path for beginners to take, so do you mind if I see a picture to possibly sway my opinion?
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uhhh i didnt say any of that, i just believe there are better ways. also yes ss can be a decent option for some people.
OP, if your current approach is allowing you to make good progress toward your goal, why on earth would you change?