It’s a good job Saddam wasn’t caught by British forces. Otherwise he couldn’t have been extradited since he was facing the death penalty. Instead he would have been sent to the UK, given an ASBO which he’d have ignored. Then given five hours of community service as “punishment” plus his own social worker to make sure he knew his rights, topped off by a council flat and compensation for having lived in a hole for a while in order to evade capture by the imperialist pigs of the USA.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
TornadoTommy wrote:
Next time, call the cops and say you shot the thieves with your trusty old .45. Since it’s illegal for the common citizen in the UK to possess a handgun, I guarantee you a much faster response time.
Agreed, the UK is an Orwellian joke gone wrong. I pray that we in the U.S. are smart enough to learn from them—we likely are not. The idea behind things like disarmament in the U.K. is to force dependence upon the central government, allowing its citizens to become children, reliant upon big brother and no longer a threat to those in power.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
mike[/quote]
Hey mate
I can understand your point of view but wouldnt you agree that at least the disarmament means that Im more likely come up against a crook with a knife rather than a gun? Obviousley still a dangerous situation but at least I’l have a fighting chance with my trusty cricket bat! (I hope)
Ha, my friend from rugby (who is a prop) runs a Kitchen design store with LCD monitors in the displays.
Some kid tried to run off with one and he chased him 2 miles down a crowded shopping street before finally rugby tackling him. Bear in mind my friend is 18 ish stones and the kind probably 11 dripping wet.
Apparently the kind confessed afterwards he though my friend was a fatty who he could out run… (he’s actually pretty fit)
anyway after his shop staff caught up they dragged him back the store and gaffer taped him to one of the office chairs and called the police.
To amuse himself whilst he waited 4 hours for the police to turn up he told the kid he’d just lock up and leave him overnight taped up with his dog in the shop.
By the time the cops did show they were actually surprised that the thief was actually more than happy to be arrested and taken away.
To end the story my friend now gets cheques of ?10 every couple of months to pay for the damaged monitor that was broken when my friend crunched the thief himself…
[quote]Ashes wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
TornadoTommy wrote:
Next time, call the cops and say you shot the thieves with your trusty old .45. Since it’s illegal for the common citizen in the UK to possess a handgun, I guarantee you a much faster response time.
Agreed, the UK is an Orwellian joke gone wrong. I pray that we in the U.S. are smart enough to learn from them—we likely are not. The idea behind things like disarmament in the U.K. is to force dependence upon the central government, allowing its citizens to become children, reliant upon big brother and no longer a threat to those in power.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
mike
Hey mate
I can understand your point of view but wouldnt you agree that at least the disarmament means that Im more likely come up against a crook with a knife rather than a gun? Obviousley still a dangerous situation but at least I’l have a fighting chance with my trusty cricket bat! (I hope)
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It would make my argument a good lick easier if I could deny that, but yes, the odds that your attacker now carrying a knife instead of a gun are increased. That said, isn’t it illegal now to carry a knife in the U.K.? If that is so, how long before your cricket bat is is banned?
The thing about guns is they are a great equalizer. We recently had a knife attack here on campus. Some guy kicked the door in to a toilet stall and stabbed someone. In this event I think I could physically manhandle a guy who attacked me with a knife, but what about my 110lb girlfriend? I don’t think a bat would help her, but a gun in her purse sure would help.
Not only that but a gun ups the ante. If I am going to mug someone and my only threat is someone might beat me up then I may be more willing to do it than if I might DIE.
In the U.S. guns aren’t protected by the bill of rights to protect us from criminals anyways; they are there so we can use them against our government if need be.
mike
I wrote a pretty lengthy paper in college about gun control ( I am for gun control, and believe the first steps in proper gun control are good breathing and good aim) and while in the process of researching that paper I came across alot of interesting stats for the UK.
In the US, the “hot” burglary rate, or rate of burglaries that occur with occupants still home is less than %10. In the UK, it’s over %50. Now why would criminals in the US be more likely to wait until the house was emtpy? Well, the burglars in prison who were interviewed here in the US pretty much unanimously stated that they fear an armed home owner more than the police.
In the UK, there are no armed home owners so they don’t care whether or not you are home.
Secondly, laws only affect the law abiding. Everything else is a celebration of diversity.
Couple years ago a buddy of mine was walking home from his moms house. Dude was following him, he crossed the street and the guy follows. So he steps out under the street light and the guy pulls a small gun and demands his wallet. Tim pulls his wallet and “accidentally” drops it the guy reaches down.
When he stands up tim has his spyderco folder open and he caps the guy in the shoulder and breaks the tip off in the guys clavicle. The guy runs. Tim waves down a cop who tells him to get in and they find the guy a couple blocks away. Bleeding, they take him to the hospital. The thug got 3-5 for armed robbery.
[quote]Eickst wrote:
I wrote a pretty lengthy paper in college about gun control ( I am for gun control, and believe the first steps in proper gun control are good breathing and good aim) and while in the process of researching that paper I came across alot of interesting stats for the UK.
In the US, the “hot” burglary rate, or rate of burglaries that occur with occupants still home is less than %10. In the UK, it’s over %50. Now why would criminals in the US be more likely to wait until the house was emtpy? Well, the burglars in prison who were interviewed here in the US pretty much unanimously stated that they fear an armed home owner more than the police.
In the UK, there are no armed home owners so they don’t care whether or not you are home.
Secondly, laws only affect the law abiding. Everything else is a celebration of diversity.[/quote]
I heard a statistic a couple of years ago that for every 1 intruder that is shot by an American householder, 48 householders are shot or killed in accidents involving guns at home which are kept primarily for protection against intruders. I think this was in a news story about a little kid who found pops gun and tragically shot himself dead. Does this sound realistic? I cant remember the source im afraid.
Reminds me of the time I used to work out at my college gym. I never used a lock and I came in and this clown was rifling through my stuff. I crept up behind him and said “don’t mind me I’m just getting my knife”. He apologized and ran.
[quote]Ashes wrote:
I heard a statistic a couple of years ago that for every 1 intruder that is shot by an American householder, 48 householders are shot or killed in accidents involving guns at home which are kept primarily for protection against intruders. I think this was in a news story about a little kid who found pops gun and tragically shot himself dead. Does this sound realistic? I cant remember the source im afraid.
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Even if that stat was correct, which I highly doubt it is. It is not the guns fault, but the users fault.
If people have children in the home they need to take precautions to prevent such. I can guarantee that there are more alcohol related deaths then gun deaths, should we ban people from keeping alcohol? How about swimming pools, more kids drown each year in pools then are accidentally shot by household firearms. Should we ban swimming pools?
Obviously the answer is hell no especially when swimming pools equals hot women in skimpy swim wear. The bottom line is peoples stupidity should not interfere with my right to protect myself and family.
[quote]Ashes wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
TornadoTommy wrote:
Next time, call the cops and say you shot the thieves with your trusty old .45. Since it’s illegal for the common citizen in the UK to possess a handgun, I guarantee you a much faster response time.
Agreed, the UK is an Orwellian joke gone wrong. I pray that we in the U.S. are smart enough to learn from them—we likely are not. The idea behind things like disarmament in the U.K. is to force dependence upon the central government, allowing its citizens to become children, reliant upon big brother and no longer a threat to those in power.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
mike
Hey mate
I can understand your point of view but wouldnt you agree that at least the disarmament means that Im more likely come up against a crook with a knife rather than a gun? Obviousley still a dangerous situation but at least I’l have a fighting chance with my trusty cricket bat! (I hope)
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If some guy isn’t worried about killing, I doubt he’s worried about illegally getting his hands on a gun.
Stories like these remind me of why I love the Edmonton Police Service.
My ex’s father was a cab driver who usually took the night shift on the weekends.
One night this 16 year old kid gets in the cab and a few blocks later takes out a knife and tells him to “just drive”.
Ex’s father speeds and slams on the brakes for the next stop sign, smacking the kid’s head on the dashboard. He gets out, takes the tire iron out from under his seat, runs around to the passenger side, and brains the kid while he’s trying to get out of the car.
When the police arrive, they radio for an ambulance, the one officer sees the knife still in the kid’s hand says, “Oh, look. He’s armed,” and grinds the heel of his boot into the semi-conscious kid’s hand.
Then they cuff him, face down in the asphalt, head bleeding and hand broken, until the ambulance arrives.
I love EPS.
– ElbowStrike
[quote]Ashes wrote:
I heard a statistic a couple of years ago that for every 1 intruder that is shot by an American householder, 48 householders are shot or killed in accidents involving guns at home which are kept primarily for protection against intruders. I think this was in a news story about a little kid who found pops gun and tragically shot himself dead. Does this sound realistic? I cant remember the source im afraid.
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That is an often quoted quoted but misleading statistic.
I believe the 48 to 1 was the worst case for one year only and it included accidents, homicide, self defense shooting an abusive mate or shooting a known associate robbing you and any other possible shooting besides an unknown intruder.
[quote]Ashes wrote:
I heard a statistic a couple of years ago that for every 1 intruder that is shot by an American householder, 48 householders are shot or killed in accidents involving guns at home which are kept primarily for protection against intruders. I think this was in a news story about a little kid who found pops gun and tragically shot himself dead. Does this sound realistic? I cant remember the source im afraid.
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I actually wrote about this same statistic in my paper. A similar study was done with kitchen knives instead of guns. For every one burglar that was stopped with a kitchen knife, over 90 innocent victims were harmed/killed. That makes kitchen knives almost twice as dangerous compared to guns. See how studies are fun!?
Assault rifle bans are another joke. Less than %20 of violent crime involves a firearm. Less than %4 of those crimes involved an assault rifle. So, we can see that less than %1 of all violent crime is committed with an assault rifle, but they are on the forefront of everyone’s mind? It’s just more political bull shit that groups push down your throat to try to get those banned to act as a stepping stone to ban more weapons.
Hi-cap magazines, can’t have those! A pistol with 10 rounds is inherently less deadly than one with 15!!! It’s impossible to reload it! Fucking morons.
Police officers wear bulletproof vests, carry multiple magazines (hi cap ones, too), and have other buddies with similar loadouts to back them up. You, as an individual citizen, are supposed to defend yourself againts the SAME criminals with all of that stripped from you. If some of the democrats had their way you wouldn’t even be allowed to own a handgun, let alone carry one!
I live in the worst state, too. The People’s Republic of California.